Will Kelsier Show up in the second Mistborn Trilogy

[Nesh he/him]

Kelsier's great and all, and if he shows up meddling from beyond, fine. However personally I miss miss the other charcters too. Vin, Elend and the crew and pains be to think that outside Marsh, Sazed and Kelsier they're just done and we'll never see them again, but hey if all else faills we have fanfics and I'll read the books either way.

Edited April 15, 2012 by Mistborn Jedi

[Paradox he/him]

I would say yes, but not in the traditional sense (there is always another secret).

Though personally i would like to see Vin again, the more i think about it the more i realise that her life was pretty shitty. To say the least. I wouldn't consider being abused for 16 or so years as a street child, having most of the people who were your first and only friends dying, your husband dying at the hands of one such friend and then subsequently dying trying to (unsuccessfully) stop a rampaging deity, to be a 'good' or fulfilling ending for her character. I find it hard to believe that she would be satisfied being dead after all of the crap she has been through (much like Kell how seems to be. Out of anyone in the series i would wager she deserves a second chance at not having a !@#$ed up life.

I just didn't feel closure for her character with her death, call me butthurt if you will its just what i feel.

/end rant

Anyway, i think we will be seeing Kelsier's influence at the very least if not his physical presence in the following mistborn trilogies. I don't think he a person who likes to stay down (a quality i think Vin has too), if he has a means of coming back you can be sure as hell he will take it.

[Aeshdan he/him]

What would happen if someone took up all of the Shards?

They turn into Brandon.

[Stu]

Kelsier should not be in the books as a main character or resurrected back to life. Bringing Kelsier back to life opens the door for bringing everyone back and that is not benefical.

Having said that i`d be extremely pleased if Kelsier gets 2 books that develop his story. Showing his early days before the Pits and after his powers are awakened would be great.

[Windrunner he/him]

Sorry to disappoint, but I think getting Kelsier centered books is pretty unlikely. Brandon has said in a couple of places that he builds his stories with a past and future. They both matter to the story taking place in the present, but he doesn't intend to go into them in greater detail in other books. That's why he's said that he doesn't intend on writing Alendi books either. As well as the fact that he's said that he doesn't like prequels very much.

You may or may not know this, but there is a rather excellent short story about Kelsier that Brandon wrote for the Mistborn Adventure Game. I can attest that while it is not extremely long, it is excellently written and well worth the price.

[Shivertongue he/him]

I'd hope not, considering he's dead. Unless we're dealing with Mistborn zombies, I don't want to see Kelsier show his dead face in any story unless he's actually alive.

Edit: And he'd better not come back from the dead either.

[Teegs]

From Suvudu Moiraine vs Kelsier (emphasis mine):

“Well,” Kelsier said, “I don’t think it matters if you came back. We could just say this is me from the middle of the first Mistborn book. Besides, I think I eventually got better myself.”

“Doesn’t count. You became a disembodied voice that may or may not have actually been speaking into the mind of a young boy who was probably insane.”

“Yes,” Kelsier said, “but my series has a long way to go yet. Who knows what could happen? I’ve heard that some very remarkable things can happen with spikes . . .”

...so probably, maybe, yes.

Though I agree with LevenThumps – definitely not a main character.

Just finished the first book again and I thought this had some significance, but I also sort of debunked it too. Hear me out... Anyway, Kel died from either a slap to the face, OR an obsidian spear. I'd imagine that they'd save the spear that killed the Survivor, kind of like the Spear of Destiny. Essentially it could have been analogous to a spike, with the exception of it not being metal.

I just wonder, if Kel's desire to stick around, combined with the spike could end up being something significant. Brandon is VERY good at foreshadowing, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was still foreshadowing even while writing a funny short story death match.

Thoughts?

[lordofsoup]

Could we expand it to do you think Kel will show up again in the Cosmere? I feel like that would more accurately cover the question here. We dont exactly know too much about the second trilogy.

[Occam's Whiskey Bottle]

I don't think we have seen the last of Kelsier.

A couple years ago, I asked Brandon in a Q&A what happened to Kelsier's bones after The Hero of Ages, and he said that they did not get destroyed. So if you factor in all the meddling he has done after dying, and that Brandon did not destroy his bones, I think that Kelsier will reappear in one form or another.

Edited September 26, 2012 by Occam's Whiskey Bottle

[Millennium]

I'd hope not, considering he's dead. Unless we're dealing with Mistborn zombies, I don't want to see Kelsier show his dead face in any story unless he's actually alive.

Edit: And he'd better not come back from the dead either.

I'm with you on this: Kelsier is dead, and it would bother me if that fact were to change. But I wouldn't mind if he became a major player again through other means: for example, if some future character were to go to wherever Kelsier is (somewhere in the Cognitive Realm, perhaps?) and speak with him (his "shade"?) there.

Edited September 26, 2012 by Millennium

[Riddlesinthedark he/him]

I don't think we have seen the last of Kelsier.

A couple years ago, I asked Brandon in a Q&A what happened to Kelsier's bones after The Hero of Ages, and he said that they did not get destroyed. So if you factor in all the meddling he has done after dying, and that Brandon did not destroy his bones, I think that Kelsier will reappear in one form or another.

Don't you need musculature to put together a Skandra copy?

[Millennium]

Don't you need musculature to put together a Skandra copy?

Nope; just the bones. Having more of the body on hand lets the Kandra make a better copy, but strictly speaking nothing else is necessary.

Edited September 26, 2012 by Millennium

[Straff Venture he/him]

Don't you need musculature to put together a Skandra copy?

Yeah, if i can extend on what millennium said, the kandra are muscles themselves, they just need the bones to be able to manipulate the flesh and their own muscles.

[Riddlesinthedark he/him]

Yeah, if i can extend on what millennium said, the kandra are muscles themselves, they just need the bones to be able to manipulate the flesh and their own muscles.

But to get the face and voice Kandra level perfect...

[Straff Venture he/him]

But to get the face and voice Kandra level perfect...

In HoA TenSoon imitates Kelsier with just his two-year-old bones.

[Millennium]

In HoA TenSoon imitates Kelsier with just his two-year-old bones.

It probably wasn't as good a copy as OreSeur could have done. But given that no one had had any contact with Kelsier for two years on account of him being dead, the copy didn't have to be as good. Memories fade, legends start to spring up (particularly when dealing with mythic figures, as Kelsier had set himself up to become), and more and more people would have heard of him without ever actually meeting him. In the face of all that, small inconsistencies could very well pass by unnoticed: a fact Kandra would know and depend on.

[Straff Venture he/him]

It probably wasn't as good a copy as OreSeur could have done. But given that no one had had any contact with Kelsier for two years on account of him being dead, the copy didn't have to be as good. Memories fade, legends start to spring up (particularly when dealing with mythic figures, as Kelsier had set himself up to become), and more and more people would have heard of him without ever actually meeting him. In the face of all that, small inconsistencies could very well pass by unnoticed: a fact Kandra would know and depend on.

I agree, centuries are always going to erase human memory, unless you happen to have a certain piece of copper I was really surprised when Kelsier died in the Final Empire. Until the end of the book I thought he would come back somehow (after all, he was called the survivor). It seems so ironic how the fall of an empire that had reigned for a thousand years had been brought down by the death of 'the survivor'.

[Teegs]

In HoA TenSoon imitates Kelsier with just his two-year-old bones.

Remember though, he didn't have Kel's hair to use, so the imitation was bald.

[Straff Venture he/him]

Remember though, he didn't have Kel's hair to use, so the imitation was bald.

Good catch, I forgot about that. Though I guess he could just wear a wig if need be.

[Aeshdan he/him]

Good catch, I forgot about that. Though I guess he could just wear a wig if need be.

Or use his dog hair.

More seriously, I asked Brandon "1. Is it at all possible for Kelsier to be reincarnated/posess someone/show up as a ghost/whatever and become a character in a future Mistborn book?" in the Q&A, and his response is "He's shown up before, so I'd say that's a pretty good indication for the future."

Not exactly a yes, but I'd say a favorable indication.

Edited September 28, 2012 by ReaderAt2046

[Shadeshadow227]

I wouldn't put it past him to straight up hijack Ruin and Preservation briefly to resurrect himself.

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

I'm voting with three due to it being most accurate.

We get Kelsier as a main character... as a ghost. We have him in a memory (probably) but not actually appearing. And said memory is old enough that it isn't evidence as to his current physical realm status.

'There's always another secret' is the ONLY possible answer at this point...

Edited May 18, 2016 by Kingsdaughter613

[Nashan’Elin he/him]

Guys. Watch out for the thread necroing.

That said, (BoM)

I think he's already back, judging from the epilogue

[Vissy]

I think he might be with Marsh.

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

The question was whether or not he'd show up. He 'technically' hasn't. Caused a nice chunk of the plot, yes, but that isn't quite the same thing.