Zas678 he/him Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 No, I also think that it's the most accurate. I think that there's a good chance that Kelsier (or at least him talking to/guiding people) will be felt in the second trilogy. But Brandon won't make it obvious- it would mean that you had to read the first trilogy before you read the second, which although recommended, Brandon doesn't really want to require. So if it happens, it will be a secret. And since that's Kelsier's theme.... There's always another secret.
Thought Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 While I hope the character of Kelsier himself doesn't show up, I'd appreciate learning more about survivorism, or even seeing Pathians turning him into some sort of divine herald of Harmony (since, presumably, he and Sazed hang out a lot). If he were to show up as an actual character, I think that would need to wait for some sort of pancosmeric story, where the spiritual realm is playing a significant role already. How does one pronounce "deux ex machina"? It's been bothering me. First, sorry, I love languages, so this might be more information than anyone really wants. For "deux," are you familiar with the Greek god, Zeus? Like that, but with a D instead of a Z (actually, the words used to be the same). The e and the u shouldn't really be pronounced separately: they're a diphthong. The "ex" is fairly straight forward. Think of Jack Nicholson as The Joker telling us about Chemical X. "Machina" is a bit trickier because of that "ch" sound. It isn't "ch" as in church, and it isn't "ch" as in chameleon: it is like the ckh in "block head." It's fairly uncommon in English, as you might have guessed from the need to use two separate words to approximate it. If you are ever curious about how to pronounce Latin thingies, like this phrase, I'd recommend checking out Wheelock's Latin, which is the definitive source for all things Latin languagey. It's a wonderful book, but it also has useful pronunciation guides online. Of particular interest here are: eu: http://wheelockslatin.com/chapters/introduction/introduction_diphthongs.html ch: http://wheelockslatin.com/chapters/introduction/introduction_consonants.html
Kaurne Posted March 11, 2012 Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) While I hope the character of Kelsier himself doesn't show up, I'd appreciate learning more about survivorism, or even seeing Pathians turning him into some sort of divine herald of Harmony (since, presumably, he and Sazed hang out a lot). If he were to show up as an actual character, I think that would need to wait for some sort of pancosmeric story, where the spiritual realm is playing a significant role already. I just had an image of Sazed and Kelsier in a bar playing pool in the place beyond, periodically turning to a TV, where they watch what is happening in AoL. On a more serious note, I agree. Isn't the third Mistborn series meant to involve space-travel? That sounds a possible place - maybe Kelsier could get reincarnated as one of the AlloFerroCosmonauts? I'd also love to learn more about the religions which we get glimpses of in AoL - not just Survivorism and Pathism, but all the others as well. Edited March 11, 2012 by Kaurne
Nihilum he/him Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Just to clear it up. Kelsier did NOT hijack ruin, and OreSuer's use of Kelsier's bones is NOT Kelsier returning. Ruin is half of Harmony...a force of nature. Ruin was using the visage of Kelsier to sway Spook to keep the sword tip embedded in his body so that Ruin could keep affecting Spook.
Aeshdan he/him Posted March 12, 2012 Author Posted March 12, 2012 (edited) Just to clear it up. Kelsier did NOT hijack ruin. Ruin is half of Harmony...a force of nature. Ruin was using the visage of Kelsier to sway Spook to keep the sword tip embedded in his body so that Ruin could keep affecting Spook. But Kelsier really did hijack Preservation to speak with Spook. See Annotation: http://www.brandonsanderson.com/annotation/330/Mistborn-3-Chapter-Fifty-Eight-Part-3 Edited March 12, 2012 by ReaderAt2046 1
Feloxia she/her Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 ...And Ruin and Preservation are separate shards. They aren't half parts of one shard. Unless they become one shard when Sazed took them both up?
Windrunner he/him Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 They are not one Shard, as confirmed by Brandon, during the Alloy of Law signing. QUESTIONWere Ruin and Preservation two shards or one? BRANDON SANDERSON They were two shards. Harmony is considered a shard, although it’s really two, in the same way that a king of two countries would still be considered a king. Alloy of Law Signing Report Lord Juss 4
LevenThumps Posted April 2, 2012 Posted April 2, 2012 What would happen if someone took up all of the Shards?
Zaropti Posted April 2, 2012 Posted April 2, 2012 I personally would love to see him brought back into the series just not with his memories, him and his wife getting a chance to live and rich and peaceful life together along with Vin and Elend. Not as main characters but side helpers somewhere on the way. Hell maybe Wax is Kelsier reborn. Would I bet on it? No. But still a nice thought. One soul with two very different up brings can make two different people but still with a core of justice. Maybe thats why Sazed went helped him as much as he did in the end?
master Posted April 2, 2012 Posted April 2, 2012 personally I'd rather not see him come back permenenly. more like being revived if there is an emergency and losing his body afterwards. More like the role iron-eyes had in alloy. though maybe more involved in the story.
LevenThumps Posted April 2, 2012 Posted April 2, 2012 If he does come back, I hope he's not the main character again. He was a good main character for the first book, but it's time to let someone else be the star.
Eri she/her Posted April 2, 2012 Posted April 2, 2012 From Suvudu Moiraine vs Kelsier (emphasis mine): “Well,” Kelsier said, “I don’t think it matters if you came back. We could just say this is me from the middle of the first Mistborn book. Besides, I think I eventually got better myself.”“Doesn’t count. You became a disembodied voice that may or may not have actually been speaking into the mind of a young boy who was probably insane.” “Yes,” Kelsier said, “but my series has a long way to go yet. Who knows what could happen? I’ve heard that some very remarkable things can happen with spikes . . .” ...so probably, maybe, yes. Though I agree with LevenThumps – definitely not a main character.
Commander Spoonface he/him Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 I kind of think that was just Brandon teasing his readers... I mean, can spikes still be hammered into someone that's already dead? And if they pierce only bone, is it still a bind point? I think Kelsier returning would feel like Deus Ex Machina unless it was set up extensively in future Mistborn books.
Thought Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 In HoA, Marsh notes that the spike needs to touch blood, so one couldn't resurrect Kelsier's body. But, perhaps if you spiked someone who was braindead, Kelsier (or Sazed, or anyone else in that realm) might be able to take full control. 1
Aethling he/him Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 I would really rather Vin and Elend than Kelsier. Kelsier was too dogmatic in his views. His overriding goal was to kill nobles. He never really grew in the series until right before his death. Vin and Elend, on the other hand, grew quite a bit through the trilogy. Also, I hate to have stories end with the good guys dead, even if it is handled like it was. I held off reading Alloy for several months just because of the way the original trilogy ended, lol. 2
Eri she/her Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 In HoA, Marsh notes that the spike needs to touch blood, so one couldn't resurrect Kelsier's body. But, perhaps if you spiked someone who was braindead, Kelsier (or Sazed, or anyone else in that realm) might be able to take full control. Yes, I meant something like that – spiking Kelsier into someone, not the other way around. I just didn't have good words to describe it. Even not necesarily braindead, maybe it just needs a big spike. Or one made of some strange matal.
Silvers Posted April 3, 2012 Posted April 3, 2012 (edited) So i observe that most voters are going with "there's always another secret", presumably because it sounds really neat without meaning anything. Your quote may be true to an extent, however I find it to be the most appropriate. Let me explain. "Yes" - He will come back and appear in the books. This would be inappropriate and well just... wrong. "No" - He will not come back. This is Wax'n Wayne's series of books. Having one of the Main characters from the first series come back would be very... wrong. It is however unsatisfying I think Kel should be introduced somehow to a small extent like Sazed not Marsh. "There's always another secret." You're right it doesn't really say anything specific. It is however completely true. Brandon has not told us Kelsier is gone forever in fact he stated otherwise, but he has not told us if, when, or how he will be re-introduced in this new series. Edited April 3, 2012 by Silvers
Triasmus Posted April 4, 2012 Posted April 4, 2012 (edited) Wax and Wayne are a side project. They don't count as the second trilogy. Now, on to why I really made this post. . . Spoilers (maybe ) Did Sazed not say at the end of book 3 that he can rebuild Vin and Elend (and Kelsier) after he learns his powers better? I'm almost positive that I read that. Edited April 4, 2012 by Lantern13
Commander Spoonface he/him Posted April 4, 2012 Posted April 4, 2012 Did Sazed not say at the end of book 3 that he can rebuild Vin and Elend (and Kelsier) after he learns his powers better? I'm almost positive that I read that. I believe he said basically the opposite, that not even his powers can restore life.
Morderkaine he/him Posted April 4, 2012 Posted April 4, 2012 As of the end of HoA Sazed was able to remake their bodies but couldn't revive them. He expects that in time he will be able to revive them. I tried to bring them <Vin and Elend> back, but apparently fixing the bodies doesn't return the souls. I will get better at this with time, I expect.
Triasmus Posted April 4, 2012 Posted April 4, 2012 (edited) Huh. I thought he was saying he couldn't do it... yet . I'll go and re-read it. EDIT: It's the first paragraph of the letter. Spook. I tried to bring them back, but apparently fixing the bodies doesn't return the souls. I will get better at this with time, I expect. However, be assured that I have spoken with our friends, and they are quite happy where they are. They deserve rest, I think. I took the bolded part to mean that eventually he'll be able to resurrect people. I guess it could be that he was meaning that he'll eventually understand what he can and can't do (which includes not being able to resurrect). EDIT2: I have a feeling that I had this thread up awhile before I finally posted, otherwise I prolly would have seen the above post. (or both posts happened at the same time with a difference of a few seconds) Edited April 4, 2012 by Lantern13
Commander Spoonface he/him Posted April 4, 2012 Posted April 4, 2012 I chose to interpret that pronoun (this) as meaning the whole business of being Shardic in general. Somehow I feel like giving a character the ability to resurrect people is a storytelling trap that will make death seem inconsequential. A lot of urgency is removed from life-threatening situations when the reader knows it can be fixed. 1
master Posted April 4, 2012 Posted April 4, 2012 I chose to interpret that pronoun (this) as meaning the whole business of being Shardic in general. Somehow I feel like giving a character the ability to resurrect people is a storytelling trap that will make death seem inconsequential. A lot of urgency is removed from life-threatening situations when the reader knows it can be fixed. It would depend on how willing the shard is to ressurect them. I assume kelsier would have spent years trying to get sazed to resurect him, but harmony felt no need. to me ressurection is fine as long as its not too common. either a neutral character has the ability or its so difficult that it doesnt happen often. And I'm sure it could be said that harmony is neutral. even if sazed doesnt like whats going on harmony won't interfere except with tiny nudges. and ressurection is not a nudge.
Zas678 he/him Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 All I know about Resurrection is that Endowment does it fairly often. It's probably easier for him/her, but I bet what one shard can do, any can do with enough time and energy.
Commander Spoonface he/him Posted April 15, 2012 Posted April 15, 2012 All I know about Resurrection is that Endowment does it fairly often. It's probably easier for him/her, but I bet what one shard can do, any can do with enough time and energy. I hadn't thought of that... However, if you look at the Shards Sazed has, they don't fit nearly as well with resurrection as Endowment does. Preservation might keep something alive, but I doubt it is easy to use that power to bring someone back to life.
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