|TJ| he/him Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Uh, yeah, it's addressed to Autonomy because piano confirmed in doc they were following me from world to world, and I thought it was funny. You still seem to think that E!me, when given the chance to coast through on low activity in a chill game with players like Szeth willing to let me have my chill game for real would decide to softVillage for crems and giggles? No one was even seriously putting Autonomy on the radar and you can see from the last two cycles this Village doesn't have its crem together. Pretty easy to just chill and do nothing. IDK bro, you've played E me before (MR62) and despite E me being unwilling to get involved and hating the situation, you seem to want to think I'd willingly run into that when given an easy out by the Village. im not saying youre in your evil meta. im reading you a bit differently, more similar to your lg86 thief game. there are parallels im seeing. in very simple terms - starting off chill and unbothered but then slowly getting involved in the game. id argue that autonomy faction is more neutral than evil when compared to other factions. autonomy can actually solve the game if theyre interested as irrespective of faction of the players getting eliminated, the numbers are decreasing and as long as they are creating avatars they are on their way to completing their wincon. no disadvantage of playing pro-village game. i think your play is somewhat in line with this. 20 minutes ago, Kasimir said: But why would an Elim go to Braize when this drastically tanks their team's chances of getting a Shard? Braize is useless to Hoid, and Khriss probably favours the conversion or the siphon. im not saying elims would go to braize either. just warning villagers to be vary of our investiture charge count. 22 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Why not? i read your conclusion about more v!fifth credences as related to the events depicted in the write-up so i was curious about the connection.
Kasimir he/him Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) 49 minutes ago, |TJ| said: id argue that autonomy faction is more neutral than evil when compared to other factions. autonomy can actually solve the game if theyre interested as irrespective of faction of the players getting eliminated, the numbers are decreasing and as long as they are creating avatars they are on their way to completing their wincon. no disadvantage of playing pro-village game. i think your play is somewhat in line with this. Autonomy can't win with the Village. You're better off playing the long game, and you have to backstab and kill the Village eventually. It's not compatible with aggressive solving because doing so guarantees you will be killed, and that's not a good place to be in, because then you have to explain exactly how you survived. That's exactly the disadvantage of playing a pro-Village game. You don't survive by being loudly pro-Village - I'm sorry to say but that's just stupid play and the number of times I've died in early game clearly point this out. Autonomy doesn't win by dying. I have zero incentive to warn about the possibility of SD Avatar overwhelming if I'm Autonomy, or to clarify how Avatar actions work. The whole point of that is that it's the one SD wincon that takes the other factions by surprise. My correct play is to let the Village and Elims eat each other, and then overwhelm via the SD wincon. Autonomy's SD wincon is probably the most lethal weapon in their arsenal. Why would I give it up? I'd argue it's not even neutral - it's functionally an SK without a kill. 49 minutes ago, |TJ| said: im not saying youre in your evil meta. im reading you a bit differently, more similar to your lg86 thief game. there are parallels im seeing. in very simple terms - starting off chill and unbothered but then slowly getting involved in the game. Yeah, because the exact same thing is going down: I commit to chilling and then see kayana crap from the Village like whatever the f that D1 was and then start getting pulled in because I can't help commenting on the kayana. So basically you're arguing I'm Neutral-Evil because I Actually Did Not Give A Damn for a game I actively said I Didn't Want To Give A Damn About, and then ended up giving a damn. Ok. And you can't at all reasonably see why I think this is either V!TJ in paranoia mode again or E!TJ actively trying to off me and to ape that Village indicator. Ok. Not my problem. 49 minutes ago, |TJ| said: i read your conclusion about more v!fifth credences as related to the events depicted in the write-up so i was curious about the connection. I have a hypothesis which I believe I'm quite likely right about I'm not going to share with the class because either the people involved will or won't. If I share it, I possibly allow certain lies I'd rather not get shared. Edited to add: Let me sharpen the point: So basically you're arguing I'm Neutral-Evil because I Actually Did Not Give A Damn for a game I actively said right at the point of signing up, before the game, that I Didn't Want To Give A Damn About, and then ended up giving a damn. Ok. At the risk of antagonising STINK again, I'm going to once again affirm that I don't really care about "ok what am I supposed to do about that." I really don't care if the Village shoots it's damn face off and if you think that's exeable. I don't give a damn if you think you want to exe on principle because you shouldn't ever say before a game that you want to stop giving craps about the Village because you put in 150% and your team throws the game. What I do want to point out is that this line of thinking doesn't have connections to my alignment, and every single time you bring it up, it's always because you get caught in a narrative where you want me to be Evil. Well, tough luck. Edited to add 2: Like sure, I can echo STINK, right: "Well, what am I supposed to do with that?" We've had this exact same argument tactic as Falcon, as Ostrich, just off the top of my head, where you created a long elaborate narrative meant to explain what the hell Evil me was supposed to gain from lying in a Tineye message about being scanned. Like ok, it's a narrative. What exactly am I supposed to do about that? Sure it's a maybe mildly coherent narrative. But a narrative isn't an argument, and I can't really do much more if you're wedded to it. Edited to add 3: Sorry - context for anyone who didn't play that game: it was about Evil me lying in a Tineye message about having been scanned Evil. Edited to add 4: To Actual Autonomy: Spoiler Hi. You know who I am. It's probably pretty loltastic to be mistaken for you, for reasons you're probably aware of. Let's keep this short: I liked piano's keyboard music, and VOCALS did a pretty nice version of Under Pressure. It was a fun rave Due to some comms issues: if it comes down to it, feel free to try to get me killed instead, or at least allow it. I don't really think the rave doc will be as fun without your streaming your music, and all in all, it'd be an honour to die in your place. Don't feel obligated to hold back - the Village has plenty of people, and I believe you'll find it appropriate here - they should prove themselves worthy or die. -Kas out. Edited June 13, 2023 by Kasimir
|TJ| he/him Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Autonomy can't win with the Village. You're better off playing the long game, and you have to backstab and kill the Village eventually. why? i mean i know autonomy cannot win with the village but autonomy does not have to play anti-village either. because honest question, ask yourself, in a hypothetical (or real? :P) scenario in which you are autonomy, and you get your hands on some sort of kill mechanism, and there is no one who suspects you to be autonomy, do you kill someone you believe to be village or do you kill someone you believe to be of the other two factions? i suspect the answer to be the latter (not only because of your village loving tendency, but also because the other factions have outnumber wincon). okay im going down a rabbit hole i do not want to go sigh 25 minutes ago, Kasimir said: It's not compatible with aggressive solving because doing so guarantees you will be killed, and that's not a good place to be in, because then you have to explain exactly how you survived. point is a little diminished as elims do not have guaranteed kills but agreed in that you cannot control if elims get their hands on odium/ruin. 50 minutes ago, Kasimir said: I have zero incentive to warn about the possibility of SD Avatar overwhelming if I'm Autonomy, or to clarify how Avatar actions work. The whole point of that is that it's the one SD wincon that takes the other factions by surprise. My correct play is to let the Village and Elims eat each other, and then overwhelm via the SD wincon. Autonomy's SD wincon is probably the most lethal weapon in their arsenal. Why would I give it up? concede this point as well. unless... you dont want to win via SD xD and want to prolong the game. but thats a reach, i concede the point. 54 minutes ago, Kasimir said: So basically you're arguing I'm Neutral-Evil because I Actually Did Not Give A Damn for a game I actively said I Didn't Want To Give A Damn About, and then ended up giving a damn. no bro, the thing is, i DONNO the differenceeee. like you said you said you'd play the certain way and you are, but thats not village indicative though as it could be construed as village or (in my case) autonomy. the differentiation is what im trying to figure out. 58 minutes ago, Kasimir said: And you can't at all reasonably see why I think this is either V!TJ in paranoia mode again or E!TJ actively trying to off me and to ape that Village indicator. and i didn't say anything about this.i think it's a fairly reasonable way of trying to genuinely read me. but again, i dont know if it's v!kas who is trying to read me or a!kas. your argument is a!kas does not have an incentive to try to read players and just coast through the game especially when players have given the free pass to do so, i understand. now i have to figure out if your argument is genuine and if the free pass is enough to deter a frustrated kas from getting involved in the game even if he does not belong to the village (keeping in mind that autonomy does need to solve the game a bit as if all deaths are villagers, one of the other two factions win).
Kasimir he/him Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 Just now, |TJ| said: why? i mean i know autonomy cannot win with the village but autonomy does not have to play anti-village either. because honest question, ask yourself, in a hypothetical (or real? :P) scenario in which you are autonomy, and you get your hands on some sort of kill mechanism, and there is no one who suspects you to be autonomy, do you kill someone you believe to be village or do you kill someone you believe to be of the other two factions? i suspect the answer to be the latter (not only because of your village loving tendency, but also because the other factions have outnumber wincon). okay im going down a rabbit hole i do not want to go sigh Honestly, I kill the one who is more dangerous to me, sorry to say. As Autonomy, I can't afford to play to Village sympathies. I'd probably backstab the Elims and gun them down just on sheer principle, but I'd make an evaluation of who is more dangerous and then go for it. Leaving the other factions alive kind of matters because as long as they are a pressing threat, the Village won't go after me. If I kill too many of them, I become Public Enemy #1.You have Like...in this hypothetical world (real enough in that I flat out told VOCALS I wasn't interested in Intent Conversion) : I'm an SK without a kill. I know you see Autonomy as a neutral but my view is that tactically, I cannot have a strong Village. The other factions do win with outnumbering, this is true, but they cannot win together. Fundamentally, I'd have to play everyone against each other and try to stack up as many Autonomy charges as possible on other players (and pray they don't get rid of them!) - which is a really rough balancing win con. That's my honest answer. If you want, you can check out LG6, Padan Fain doc. I recognise it's very long ago, so maybe not everything is transferrable, but it more or less carries my thoughts about how to win third party. I actively consider how to play the Village and the Elims against each other and evaluate which Village targets to go for in that doc, despite lacking a NK of my own. It's dramatic but once you take up that Shard, you have to accept you are not a Villager and cannot afford to be emotional about sympathies. So yes, Autonomy does have to play somewhat anti-Village. 6 minutes ago, |TJ| said: point is a little diminished as elims do not have guaranteed kills but agreed in that you cannot control if elims get their hands on odium/ruin. You have to plan for it. Elims can also use Braize, and Odium charges, if you lose/burn too many of your original. I can agree with you they tactically shouldn't, at least early on, but it doesn't change the fact that Braize was very likely used last Night, unless someone admits to using an Honor charge to protect Drake, which more or less implies that at least one player thought Braize was a good shot. 7 minutes ago, |TJ| said: concede this point as well. unless... you dont want to win via SD xD and want to prolong the game. but thats a reach, i concede the point. Prolonging the game is sheer arrogance, unfortunately. After LG5, I never like forgoing a guaranteed or certain win to take the harder route, especially if you're playing glorified SK. 9 minutes ago, |TJ| said: no bro, the thing is, i DONNO the differenceeee. like you said you said you'd play the certain way and you are, but thats not village indicative though as it could be construed as village or (in my case) autonomy. the differentiation is what im trying to figure out. I'll concede this point. Good luck 10 minutes ago, |TJ| said: and i didn't say anything about this.i think it's a fairly reasonable way of trying to genuinely read me. but again, i dont know if it's v!kas who is trying to read me or a!kas. Fair. At least the thought patterns seem pretty consistent with V!TJ, so that's my current read for now. The rest is a you problem, not a me problem 10 minutes ago, |TJ| said: your argument is a!kas does not have an incentive to try to read players and just coast through the game especially when players have given the free pass to do so, i understand. now i have to figure out if your argument is genuine and if the free pass is enough to deter a frustrated kas from getting involved in the game even if he does not belong to the village (keeping in mind that autonomy does need to solve the game a bit as if all deaths are villagers, one of the other two factions win). One more question. Why does A!me leave Silverlight instead of trying to get a second Shard that could help me, like Odium, or Survival? Because I clearly advertised being on Roshar N1, and on Scadrial N2. I could certainly be lying about that, but given I declared I was going there prior to EoD, it's certainly a risk, if I'd not showed up, and then lied about being there and hoped no one like TBB actually showed up. Given poor Village coordination, and how many Shards are free up to now, I must surely have anticipated that my odds of collecting Shard #2 aren't actually awful.
DeTess she/her Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 @AshbringerSo, question. Odium and Ruin kills bypass vessel shields when the target is a vessel. What happens if they attack someone that is not a vessel but got vessel shield some other way, such as through preservation investiture?
|TJ| he/him Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 45 minutes ago, Kasimir said: You have to plan for it. Elims can also use Braize, and Odium charges, if you lose/burn too many of your original. I can agree with you they tactically shouldn't, at least early on, but it doesn't change the fact that Braize was very likely used last Night, unless someone admits to using an Honor charge to protect Drake, which more or less implies that at least one player thought Braize was a good shot. hmmm fair. just recalled that ruin and odium bypass vessel shield protection. speaking of braize, i think its a good idea for ruin to destroy braize if they are village. 53 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Why does A!me leave Silverlight instead of trying to get a second Shard that could help me, like Odium, or Survival? why though? autonomy would prioritize investing to create avatars and if theyre investing, then they do not have action slot to steal investiture. which brings me to my next point, you did mention the importance to being wary of autonomys SD, but any reason why you arent increasing your charges of investiture?
Archer he/him Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 3 hours ago, DeTess said: To save everyone some speculation, I started with an Odium charge and used it to shoot the avatar. Please prepare a detailed explanation of your reasoning and theory about what happened mechanically, but keep it yourself until we see how Drake responds. Best not to give them an easy out of an excuse In the meantime, does anyone want to meet on a world? I'm not going if it's gonna be boring Quote find this flag odd. I've had Xino as an exe target for less than a cycle. How is that not branching out? Is it because I haven't posted a reads list or chimed in on the circular arguments about the same three players? Edit: That sounded more aggressive than I meant it. What I meant was that I simply haven't seen much I felt the need to comment on because it had already been said (usually more than once). I'd at least expect a bit more agreement or disagreement, and +1ing main wagons when they break free, rather than a vanity vote. Kinda feels like you've picked a hill you feel comfortable on and are sticking to it to avoid too much contraversy while looking useful. But. New day, new votes, now's your chance to hard seel us on the Xino theory Lowkey think Walin submitted AN action but didn't submit an (second) action. Wally
Fifth Scholar he/him Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 While there’s a lot being made of how the kill happened, I am a little more interested in how the survival happened. If we accept Kas’ suggestion that this was a shot from someone on Braize, there are still only a few methods currently in place for surviving such a thing: Scadrial (very unlikely unless Drake got word of an attack on himself + I don’t think he’s even on the planet), Honor/Preservation Investiture (unlikely for similar reasons) or Vessel Shield. If Vessel Shield, Drake is either Ruin, Odium, or Autonomy - and imo, he should probably claim which one. If he’s one of the first two, then Autonomy already knows he has a kill Shard and so the village should as well (also which one so that he could be counterclaimed). If he’s Autonomy…well, we should kill him. Also I hope we can get ahold of Hoid and Khriss soon as well because I’m tired of throwing out my village reads every cycle >> A bit curious why, again assuming that Kas is right about Drake being a Braize shot, neither Ruin nor Odium killed. Maybe a sign that we’re going for re-containment? I suppose Ruin could be in part 1/2 of blowing somewhere up, and Odium might be sizing up targets with his Investiture action but c’mon guys, lame
Kasimir he/him Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 2 hours ago, |TJ| said: hmmm fair. just recalled that ruin and odium bypass vessel shield protection. speaking of braize, i think its a good idea for ruin to destroy braize if they are village. why though? autonomy would prioritize investing to create avatars and if theyre investing, then they do not have action slot to steal investiture. which brings me to my next point, you did mention the importance to being wary of autonomys SD, but any reason why you arent increasing your charges of investiture? Bro. Autonomy has three actions unlike us plebs due to Vessel Action. They can have the best of both worlds by making an Avatar and siphoning Investiture at the same time / in the same cycle. Who says I didn't? I was on Roshar N1, after all. You may want to look at the world's action. Autonomy also can't just give Investiture to anyone—they have to be on the same world as Autonomy's Avatars and I have been the only player I know of to have encountered them. And I was on Scadrial N2, allowing me to dump two Autonomy Charges at once if I needed to. (Note: Autonomy did not give me any.) There's also a RP/method acting reason which is the rave/world trip goal I've set for myself but really I've tried to pick worlds both based on the puns and the utility. 30 minutes ago, Fifth Scholar said: While there’s a lot being made of how the kill happened, I am a little more interested in how the survival happened. If we accept Kas’ suggestion that this was a shot from someone on Braize, there are still only a few methods currently in place for surviving such a thing: Scadrial (very unlikely unless Drake got word of an attack on himself + I don’t think he’s even on the planet), Honor/Preservation Investiture (unlikely for similar reasons) or Vessel Shield. If Vessel Shield, Drake is either Ruin, Odium, or Autonomy - and imo, he should probably claim which one. If he’s one of the first two, then Autonomy already knows he has a kill Shard and so the village should as well (also which one so that he could be counterclaimed). If he’s Autonomy…well, we should kill him. Also I hope we can get ahold of Hoid and Khriss soon as well because I’m tired of throwing out my village reads every cycle >> A bit curious why, again assuming that Kas is right about Drake being a Braize shot, neither Ruin nor Odium killed. Maybe a sign that we’re going for re-containment? I suppose Ruin could be in part 1/2 of blowing somewhere up, and Odium might be sizing up targets with his Investiture action but c’mon guys, lame High FAFO energy V!Fifth credences rising
STINK he/him Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 what on earth does FAFO mean I'll get to the rest later (shoutout to my echo) but thats an acronym i do not know
Kasimir he/him Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, STINK said: what on earth does FAFO mean I'll get to the rest later (shoutout to my echo) but thats an acronym i do not know Fifth Around and Find Out :eyes: @|TJ| Worth noting as well that both of Autonomy's Avatars were announced as being created during N1 and N2 specifically. In my view, this likely implies Autonomy used a Day Action to create them, meaning that Autonomy sure as hell could be siphoning at Night - nothing in the rules prevents this, given Bavadin is also a Researcher.
STINK he/him Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 6 hours ago, Ashbringer said: This turn will end on 10:00 PM PDT / 5:00 AM GMT (+1 Day) on June 11th Also Also isn't it the 13th of June today
Kasimir he/him Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 1 minute ago, STINK said: Also Also isn't it the 13th of June today Smh are you the only one who failed to grab a TARDIS 1
STINK he/him Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Smh are you the only one who failed to grab a TARDIS Honestly the TARDIS musta passed me by while I was chowing down on lunch lemme tell you they do crazy things with the food on the world I'm at, I put it in my journal and described my B&B experiences good vibes
Kasimir he/him Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 Just now, STINK said: Honestly the TARDIS musta passed me by while I was chowing down on lunch lemme tell you they do crazy things with the food on the world I'm at, I put it in my journal and described my B&B experiences good vibes what sorta things do they make you see the purple squinty glowing round polka dot turtles like the juice they were handing out on Roshar
STINK he/him Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 Whole lotta purple I guess but no juice sadly it's all meant to be like a very transcendent experience I don't quite get the culture just yet tbh
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 Odium here hi you know who you are that was rather unforgivably rude smh also Kas bro im over Silverlight
Kasimir he/him Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: Odium here hi you know who you are that was rather unforgivably rude smh also Kas bro im over Silverlight Wow u r hatoful Shard boy??? smh of all Shards you went for the most Evil one? >> Where do u wanna meet bro the DAOist tRAVEling circus is currently chilling in the Scadrian mosh pit dealing - well I was dealing with Autonomy's minors but then DeTess took them off my hands so I guess we can do the R-21 tour now :eyes: Edited to add: 11 minutes ago, STINK said: Whole lotta purple I guess but no juice sadly it's all meant to be like a very transcendent experience I don't quite get the culture just yet tbh no juice??? how do they even ensure travellers have a good time smh Edited to add: 1 hour ago, Fifth Scholar said: Also I hope we can get ahold of Hoid and Khriss soon as well because I’m tired of throwing out my village reads every cycle >> A bit curious why, again assuming that Kas is right about Drake being a Braize shot, neither Ruin nor Odium killed. Maybe a sign that we’re going for re-containment? I suppose Ruin could be in part 1/2 of blowing somewhere up, and Odium might be sizing up targets with his Investiture action but c’mon guys, lame Do you expect them to have done anything other than blow the last conversion last Night? Edited June 13, 2023 by Kasimir
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: Odium here hi you know who you are that was rather unforgivably rude smh also Kas bro im over Silverlight Explain yo self. How yo no dead?
STINK he/him Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, Kasimir said: no juice??? how do they even ensure travellers have a good time smh Maybe they only break it out for the big events and as just a traveller I don't get into all the cool invite-only stuff thats the life of a tourist that is right there. Also I'm starting to think Americans are waking up based on now 8 people viewing this thread when it was like 2 an hour or two ago
Kasimir he/him Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, The Bald Brandon said: Explain yo self. How yo no dead? I feel like if you are still asking, you need to ask that question of the rules instead... Edited to add: Just now, STINK said: Maybe they only break it out for the big events and as just a traveller I don't get into all the cool invite-only stuff thats the life of a tourist that is right there. Also I'm starting to think Americans are waking up based on now 8 people viewing this thread when it was like 2 an hour or two ago Smh clear discrimination have u considered finding a lawyer Yeah I enjoyed the peace while it lasted Edited June 13, 2023 by Kasimir
Fifth Scholar he/him Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 12 minutes ago, Kasimir said: Do you expect them to have done anything other than blow the last conversion last Night? I mean, this depends very much on who Hoid and Khriss are. If they’re under Exe pressure, I’d imagine they’re churning out conversions like there’s no tomorrow, but if not, there’s always the option of putting one in strategic reserve. The mere possibility is already kinda forcing us to be careful and take things on a round-by-round basis…not to mention, the longer they wait, the more likely they’ll get a better sense of who to target so they don’t waste conversion actions on Vessels or unconvertable members of opposing factions. Quote Odium here hi you know who you are that was rather unforgivably rude smh also Kas bro im over Silverlight Well someone had to be the lucky recipient I guess Any reason you didn’t kill? LG92 suggests your relationship with pacifism is at best tenuous…unless it’s enforced pacifism
Kasimir he/him Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Fifth Scholar said: I mean, this depends very much on who Hoid and Khriss are. If they’re under Exe pressure, I’d imagine they’re churning out conversions like there’s no tomorrow, but if not, there’s always the option of putting one in strategic reserve. The mere possibility is already kinda forcing us to be careful and take things on a round-by-round basis…not to mention, the longer they wait, the more likely they’ll get a better sense of who to target so they don’t waste conversion actions on Vessels or unconvertable members of opposing factions. Doesn't that require them to anticipate there won't be that many Vessels in a game where the entire premise (for most people not me, because I have read Dostoevsky and determined that all Shards are Evil!) is - get Shards, gain ultimate cosmic power? Also means their team is at a disavantage when it comes to collecting Shards. I could see it but it doesn't feel extremely viable in the landscape such that I wouldn't ascribe high probability to it unless someone like you/Drake/Wiz are Hoid/Khriss. Edited to add: IDK bro I don't disagree with the reasoning but you're sounding an awful lot like E!me claiming I didn't want to claim to anyone because "what if you got converted by a oneshot" in MR62. Edited June 13, 2023 by Kasimir
Kasimir he/him Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 Just now, DeTess said: @Kasimir, was Drodium on Scadrial with you? нет. Is why I immediately ruled out Scadrial as an option and figured it had to be Vessel Shield (perm/temp) or Honor.
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