Mid-Range Game 61: Shadows and Dust

[xinoehp512 he/him]

Shining (1): Mat

Fifth (3): Ash, Bookwyrm, Xino

Wizard (1): Mad

Fadran (1): Fifth

I think I will vote Fifth for now. I can see him as elim, and for now that's good enough for me.

[Mat he/him]

5 minutes ago, Ookla the Forgotten said:

I think I will vote Fifth for now. I can see him as elim, and for now that's good enough for me.

Can you explain... why, maybe? :P.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

I believe Shining has 2 votes, 1 from Fadran, just to set the tally straight.

I still don't know who to vote for. If I haven't reread last cycles voting patterns by the end of this cycle feel free to bother me about it.

[Ashbringer he/him]

This feels slightly familiar.

[Fifth Scholar he/him]

36 minutes ago, Ookla the Forgotten said:

Shining (1): Mat

Fifth (3): Ash, Bookwyrm, Xino

Wizard (1): Mad

Fadran (1): Fifth

I think I will vote Fifth for now. I can see him as elim, and for now that's good enough for me.

Thank you Xino, very helpful.  Also, if you're trying to get me to retread my vote from last cycle, this is a good way to go about it >>

1 minute ago, Ashbringer said:

This feels slightly familiar.

Care to elaborate what you mean by this? I have missed the last couple of games.

Will respond (?) to stuff in more detail when I am not in class.

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

So it's very unlikely that either Fadran or Fifth did the vote manipulation at least. @Fifth Scholar do you still think it was a Jedi now that you know it was a vote moved to Szeth?

Bookwyrm putting in a vote while making it clear he's willing to move it always reads suspicious but has historically never been so.

1 hour ago, Ookla the Tall said:

It feels relevant but

• It could be relevant because, it could be argued, that makes Devo more likely to have killed TUN because there'd be an established pattern.

Early Cycle Kill Rules:

1. Don't kill new players
2. Don't kill returning players
3. Don't kill players who died early in recent games
4. Kill TUN C1 of every MR (most important)

The strange not-scent was pulling Tania! towards some sort of cave, an exciting thing to find away from any mountains. The entrance was sealed, but she had mastered the secret arts of fitting through standard doors. The inside of the cave was much smaller and brighter than her home and filled with both prey species and metallic not-prey. Many of them were circled around a large rock, not paying attention to her arrival. That area was where the pull was strongest, so she headed in that direction.

[Channelknight Fadran]

...Has everyone forgotten that I took my vote off Silho?

[Ashbringer he/him]

6 minutes ago, Fifth Scholar said:

Care to elaborate what you mean by this? I have missed the last couple of games.

Will respond (?) to stuff in more detail when I am not in class.

More that I never know how to feel about people following my votes, especially ones that aren’t accompanied with a solid E read.

… same  although it’s lunch right now, but still need to do other things for a bit.

[The Bookwyrm he/him]

8 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

Bookwyrm putting in a vote while making it clear he's willing to move it always reads suspicious but has historically never been so.

....I say that, like, every time I vote, though...

[Ashbringer he/him]

5 minutes ago, Ookla the [Redacted] said:

...Has everyone forgotten that I took my vote off Silho?

… If by everyone you mean Drake, then yes 

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

13 minutes ago, Ookla the [Redacted] said:

...Has everyone forgotten that I took my vote off Silho?

my tallybot has betrayed me I apologize

thank you for pointing this out

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

11 minutes ago, Ookla the Perpetual said:

....I say that, like, every time I vote, though...

Yes, and for many other people it's an excuse to change their vote later without explanation, which is elim-indicative. You've always been village when doing this though, so it isn't elim-indicative for you.

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

2 hours ago, Ookla the Perpetual said:

And if the concrete evidence says that I should vote for someone else, then I'll change my vote!

Very fair if I do say so myself

Fifth

[Mat he/him]

Mmm yeah no I think I’m good with my vote

[Channelknight Fadran]

Lots of votes on Fifth. I don’t personally see it, and I don’t think I’ll hop on the bandwagon again. Will probably go without voting this cycle unless something pops up.

[Madagascar]

@Fifth Scholar

Hey, a discount on pre-execution death sticks, I am offering. Only 600 credits! One time deal only.

[Haelbarde he/him]

Embarassed statement: My recharge subsystems experienced faults but now I am here. 

Statement: Looking back at last cycle, three things stand out as odd to me.

Commentary: The first is Xino's faulty vote count. I'm unsure how the Madagascar votes got mistaken for Szeth votes, but Xino's panicked counter voting got Szeth killed. Largely because Redacted put their vote down and didn't come back to shift it. Was going to say the second odd thing was fifth's vote but I think looking at it now I appreciate the desire to avoid vote manip, though I still feel off about the vote, nothing the mention of saving Xino but not if saving Madagascar also.

Continuation: The last odd thing is I don't know what Alvron is playing at yet. Outside of Pazaak. Anyone up for a game of Pazaak? 

Musing Statement: This unit has much respect for Alvron and is wary that he has yet to involve himself in commentary of the game.

Statement: I'm more inclined to vote for Xino based on last turns interactions. Madagascar held up admirably to the constant two vote pressure while Xino did not, manufacturing drama and chaos to avoid death. I'd be wary of Redacted as an accomplice as part of that, but would vote Xino first.

Musing Statement: Xino's own vote on Fifth this cycle reduces my suspicion on Fifth I think. I'm not sure I understand this cycle's votes on Fifth to be honest...

On 29/11/2022 at 7:21 AM, DrakeMarshall said:

"Not much of this is salvageable, you know?" he complained. "I'd be surprised if I could get anything working from this rubbish. Maybe if we cannibalized other essential systems for more parts... Kinda feels like a bad idea now that I say it out loud, though."

Dacken hummed thoughtfully.

"...Maybe we should take apart one of the droids. Say, just for example, the HK exterminator unit."

Threatening Retort: Any motion towards taking my communication subsystems will result in a loss of your own organic communication subsystems.

Conciliatory Statement: I could consider a noninvasive patching in of my systems into the network to facilitate some restoration of local comms.

Warning Statement: My decision to not persue your removal so as to ensure a steady supply of Gizka to maintain my employment can only strain so far...

15 hours ago, Alvron said:

I love Pazaak.  I had a couple of pazaak decks once and would play it at work with colleagues to relax.  Once they found out it was from Star Wars though, it kinda died off.   Still have my decks somewhere.

Intrigued Query: You had actual Pazaak decks? That is very cool. 

[Madagascar]

Like the droid's jib, I am starting to. Despite how much farting yesterday he made me do. (Seriously, place pressure on Moff's abdomen and only you are responsible for the emissions; lucky he is that olfactory circuits his kind do not have installed.)

After reviewing those voting for Fifth, joining them I find unnecessary. I will retract wizard and toss a vote for Xino to face trial by rancor I will. The reason bein', Wizard bein' evil would make sense only really if Xino were evil (for if two innocents were up for slaughter, why would a Cultist risk taking the heat by breaking a tie like that?). And interesting it is that everyone jump onto Fifth right after the votes for Wizard there are. Trust Fifth, I do not. Trust the people voting for his death, even less so. So maybe both are evil due to *HICCUP* uhhhhh blatant paranoia induced by heavy amounts of Mandalorian ale and death sticks, my theory is. And more interesting it is to have two people at risk for death by rancor than one, it is.

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

1 hour ago, Ookla the Tall said:

Mmm yeah no I think I’m good with my vote

I wish we had PMs

[Fifth Scholar he/him]

2 hours ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

So it's very unlikely that either Fadran or Fifth did the vote manipulation at least. @Fifth Scholar do you still think it was a Jedi now that you know it was a vote moved to Szeth?

The answer to this still hinges on when the manipulator was on relative to the end of the cycle, which is unknown, but given the confusion it's created around Mad and Xino I would tentatively ascribe this to the Sith simply because I can't see how the Jedi benefit from indirectly strengthening the main wagon, unless one of them was a side wagon target and panicked. My remaining reservation with this being a Sith action is something I would PM you if PMs were open, because I think the Jedi still (mostly) have a door open with their actions to do something based on who is doing vote manipulation here, but it's kind of ruined if I tell the Sith how to counter it.  (Also, if anyone responds to this with "are you suggesting the Jedi should..." you have missed the point of the secrecy. )

27 minutes ago, Madagascar said:

@Fifth Scholar

Hey, a discount on pre-execution death sticks, I am offering. Only 600 credits! One time deal only.

Hamartano waltzed into the bar, and brushed up against the midget. His eyebrows narrowed at the mention of "death sticks," and he contemplated putting the target practice to use on someone who obviously was selling him poison, but his good mood was still thrumming within him from his bike ride, and he grinned at Moff instead. Flicking up his sleeves, he plucked the bundle of sticks from Moff's hand and took two for each hidden knife on his person. When he'd gotten past the teens in his reckoning and was reasonably satisfied he'd taken enough, he tossed the bundle back with one of the knives, the handle of which was really too small for him to wield effectively. "Here's your payment, shortie. Feed the death sticks to the Sith, not me. I'll get some death stick powder on the rest of these knives and stab someone for you. Return the favour, why don't you."

28 minutes ago, Haelbarde said:

Statement: I'm more inclined to vote for Xino based on last turns interactions. Madagascar held up admirably to the constant two vote pressure while Xino did not, manufacturing drama and chaos to avoid death. I'd be wary of Redacted as an accomplice as part of that, but would vote Xino first.

Musing Statement: Xino's own vote on Fifth this cycle reduces my suspicion on Fifth I think. I'm not sure I understand this cycle's votes on Fifth to be honest...

"Oh, it's the smart tin can again. Not really sure I understand it either, pal, given that I got no reason to be both shooting Seth and shoving people around with the Force to shoot him as well if I'm in league with this "dark side" stuff. You'd think a single blaster bolt would put paid to any man, and attract a lot less hate." He frowned. That needed elaboration. "Not that I'm afraid of the hate. I'll take the lot of you in combat if you mess with me."

OORP: I will likely vote for Xino eventually (especially since the alternative is me ) but would rather not get locked into an either-or before it's strictly necessary. Not really sure that Fadran merits my vote anymore, though. I would switch to Silho for his vote on me, which is arguably the worst of the four, but also don't trust that wagon because Mat >> tonight, I will have reread D1 and given proper attention to things, and I will cast a better vote then.

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

2 minutes ago, Fifth Scholar said:

I will likely vote for Xino eventually (especially since the alternative is me ) but would rather not get locked into an either-or before it's strictly necessary. Not really sure that Fadran merits my vote anymore, though. I would switch to Silho for his vote on me, which is arguably the worst of the four, but also don't trust that wagon because Mat >> tonight, I will have reread D1 and given proper attention to things, and I will cast a better vote then.

If you didn't have to self-pres, where would you consider voting?

[Channelknight Fadran]

As I see it, if the vote manip was calculated, then it almost has to be a sith. The sith effectively know who everyone is (except for the jedi), so they would’ve known that Szeth wasn’t on their side. If a jedi did the vote manip then I’d assume that they just had a bad read or wanted to use their fun force powers.

[Fifth Scholar he/him]

3 minutes ago, Ookla the Debonair said:

If you didn't have to self-pres, where would you consider voting?

You.  Barring that (and because I have residual Mat paranoia) I would go for Turtle or...probably Xino himself. Xino isn't a bad vote, really--I was willing to kill him last cycle and am still happy to do so--but I also don't want to get locked into a vote before I've reread things. At the beginning of the cycle, I remember feeling better about him, but that was also when I thought the vote manip was directed at the secondary wagons and not Szeth, so things have changed a bit >>

[Shining Silhouette he/him]

1 minute ago, Fifth Scholar said:

You.  

Fair

[Mat he/him]

11 minutes ago, Ookla the Debonair said:

I wish we had PMs

I know right

Are you implying you have an outside reason for your vote that you wouldn’t share in the thread?

11 minutes ago, Fifth Scholar said:

but also don't trust that wagon because Mat >>

Ok so you’ve said something of this sort a couple of times now, is this baseless paranoia, or are you just not elaborating?