Long Game 91: A Fresh Start in Shinovar

[Kasimir he/him]

@Matrim's Dice Like. I will fully acknowledge I am keeping part of my cards close to my hand because I wanna see what any/everyone else has to say before jumping in. I'm @ ing Stick and Illwei specifically because they both apparently entertained E!Mat thoughts really fast off the bat the last time and I want to know if the same thing is pinging them or not. Other than that, I'm definitely happy to hear from anyone else.

Part of this is the awareness it's very early D1, which is tough to get strong and accurate reads on, and I do tunnel, so it's important for me to get a sanity check. And the usual 'don't bias the people you want to get answers from' deal. And I should probably RP at some point shouldn't I.

1 minute ago, Elkanah said:

I will admit there are a few things that can put me in a very good mood for a game like being a third faction, but that's not available this game. 

Does being Elim count? :eyes:

2 minutes ago, Elkanah said:

This is a fair question. Looking back, he has a poke vote, a retaliation vote, and a gut read (if I may characterize it as such). None of those are suspicious, although I do expect the poke and retaliation votes will move on now that Mat has posted several times.

Mm. I haven't been forthcoming with my reasons at any rate. What do you expect would be suspicious?

Just now, Matrim's Dice said:

And my gut sees you tagging everyone as hoping to get a miskill going on me after I correctly have ID'd e!you D1 in the past :P.

Sorry, that's weak. E!me just kills you N1 or N2, maybe N3 tops. I still haven't gotten MLed yet, and I'm annoying as all hell to bring down in the thread. Try again

[The Bookwyrm he/him]

I haven't read all of these posts that magically appeared while I was gone.

Mat. He seems to be looking for proof in something that isn't relevant, which is suspicious.

[Kasimir he/him]

1 minute ago, The Bookwyrm said:

I haven't read all of these posts that magically appeared while I was gone.

Mat. He seems to be looking for proof in something that isn't relevant, which is suspicious.

The what.

Care to say more about that?

Edited to add:

6 minutes ago, Elkanah said:

I realized the gut read was more of a birthday vote. That one should stay 

I forgive you for reading my private mail with Silho!  

Edited November 21, 2022 by Kasimir

[JNV]

Hi hi hello wow theres been a lot of quick chatter clever arragnement of blades to have all ten surges but less of the uber powerful ones nice job there 

Wait hango n I was rereading the rules and just is the shaman guaranteed to exist cause I kinda thought it was but like I dont see that in there so I guess that was just an assumption whoops

So blade assumptions not all are guaranteed to eixst four blades will if removed lose access to a surge entirely thats Jezrien Chanarach Kalak and Ishar losing Gravitation Division Cohesion and Tension respectively of those Id be most willing to buy Chanarach not existing cause like two kills every three nights si a bit swingy but if it exists it feels just a bit more like something thatd be in village hands you know Id lean towards Jezrien existing cause Graviation seems kinda useful not entirely sure about Kalak and Ishar like losing Kalaks surges doesnt seem like a huge deal and Im not going to make any strong alignment assumptions about blade distribution cause I feel like Ashbringers the sorrt of person whod be willing to break assumptions jusut t mess with you

Theres an unusually high volume of banter might be time zones might be thanksgiving break kicking in for Americans might be people being unusually peppy but yeah lots of chatter not a huge amount of substance 

A look at the votes so far

Kasimir votes Stick as a poke

Silhouette votes Matrim as probably a poke

Turtle votes Matrim as A POKE VOTE

Bookwyrm votes Instanity as a hello poke vote

Wizard votes Chantara as a random poke vote

Matrim votes Archer as a poke vote

Turtle retracts Matrim

Mtarim retracts Archer

Bookwyrm retracts Insanity um ok I think its the way they signpost their otherwise meaningless votes but this is kinda pinging my radars 

Matrim votes Instanity cause Bookwyrm retracted

Araris vites Alvron for... ?

Kasimir votes Matrim

Elkanah votes Alvron

Szeth votes Novel

Insanity votes Matrim 

Novel votes Araris for voting Alvron

Not a lot here honestly 

And with the advent of the official shuffle squat I would just like to say Im getting village positive vibes from both kasimir and Matrim thank you very much 

Oop more votes coming in gosh I need to type faster

Bookwyrm votes Matrim for "looking for proof in something that isnt reelevant" um yeah so Bookwyrm is pinging every radar you know what

JNV votes Bookwyrm for weird reasoning unusual signposting and general suspicion hoenstly migh tbe my instnctual negative read bleeding through but this feels comfy enough

 

Heres a quokka

Spoiler

 

Herse some RP

Jen-child-Verin could have been a farmer in another life. They had learned to till earth and bring crops from soil. They had learned to add value to the world. And now they were a warrior, one who subtracts. It was a bitter thing, to have fallen so far. In a perfect world, everyone could be a farmer. In a perfect world, everyone could add. But this was not a perfect world, and the world needed those who would subtract so that others would not have to. Jen did not enjoy holding weapons, but they held them regardless. They were needed. They would follow.

[Mat he/him]

8 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Sorry, that's weak. E!me just kills you N1 or N2, maybe N3 tops. I still haven't gotten MLed yet, and I'm annoying as all hell to bring down in the thread. Try again

And e!me just does the same so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ All D1 points are weak. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong :P. You being annoying to bring down in thread is precisely why e!me doesn't try (granted. I'm not trying. But I kinda want to) and I wouldn't bother mentioning paranoia, especially since in the past you've accused me of being elim on the grounds of sussing you D1. Incorrectly, I might add. (on both grounds, tbf :P.)

7 minutes ago, The Bookwyrm said:

Mat. He seems to be looking for proof in something that isn't relevant, which is suspicious.

You don't get to decide what I find relevant  If I see a connection, I'm gonna point it out.

This is where annoyed!me goes and finds five game in the last year where a D1 train like this formed on v!me but eh. I have school things to do and I'm on vacation so why bother.

Could get behind a Bookwyrm train for the same reasons as Insanity. And Kas, but that feels like me retaliating to retaliate and I don't like that.

Edited November 21, 2022 by Matrim's Dice

[Kasimir he/him]

2 minutes ago, JNV said:

Wait hango n I was rereading the rules and just is the shaman guaranteed to exist cause I kinda thought it was but like I dont see that in there so I guess that was just an assumption whoops

Would say soft assumption. Very likely because the Shaman plays an important balancing role in this ruleset. Not completely impossible but I would be shocked Pikachu if the Shaman didn't exist. There's...more that can be said on the Shaman but I hesitate about whether to do so so I'm just gonna not.

1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said:

And e!me just does the same so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ All D1 points are weak. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong :P. You being annoying to bring down in thread is precisely why e!me doesn't try (granted. I'm not trying. But I kinda want to) and I wouldn't bother mentioning paranoia, especially since in the past you've accused me of being elim on the grounds of sussing you D1. Incorrectly, I might add. (on both grounds, tbf :P.)

Sure, but my sus and gut of you isn't based on you trying to go for me D1 or not - I do feel your mention of negative gut on me is performative, precisely because it was brought up as a reason to be sus of you in a previous game, but if my sus of you were based on that, it'd obviously be undermined. But it's not. It's based on something else. Part of me feels like you're being disingenuous here to insist that my sus of you is based purely off your sus of me in order to call it a retaliation vote, since I very obviously voted you and stayed on you before that. Part of me is sympathetic because I haven't actually spelled out my reasons so where else can you go. As you point out, you're not actually trying to either, so you don't really get to use it as a point in defense.

I will note I was correct about being suspicious of you in LG90 and QF62, so we could go back and forth about it being cherry-picking but I don't care to. The ultimate point of this game is that my job is to sus the people I sus, you do what you feel is right based off your thoughts and your alignment, and in general, ideally, the noise and the discussion benefits the Village as a whole because the Village matters more than either of us ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If this were a game with PMs, ordinarily this would be the point I just PMed others to get a better barometer on whether I'm jumping at shadows or not. Unfortunately there aren't any so I just have to make do.

6 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

You don't get to decide what I find relevant  If I see a connection, I'm gonna point it out.

Preach.

[Turtle they/them]

bro what thread is going so fast

ill be able to actually talk later in the day

wasnt expecting ‘38+ new posts’ though

tbh kas could be e but i’ll wait a bit before i vote him cos he’s helpful to us late game and i think i can get a better read on him later game

[Mat he/him]

3 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

precisely because it was brought up as a reason to be sus of you in a previous game

That's... why e!me wouldn't bring it up. Lol.

4 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Part of me feels like you're being disingenuous here to insist that my sus of you is based purely off your sus of me

I'm not saying that at all-- sorry if it reads like that. I'm well aware who accused who first :P. I'm saying I'd feel wrong voting you since it'd feel like retaliation on my part and I'd want something more than that, which I don't have besides 'gut' and we all love 'gut' >>

5 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Part of me is sympathetic because I haven't actually spelled out my reasons so where else can you go.

No kidding xD This is a pet peeve of mine, which sure I get the benefits of staying silent but also hi I have a four vote wagon and I have no clue why

[Kasimir he/him]

Got ninjaed by Turtle so I have to post this separately. I'll be mad if this borks my formatting.

Like sure, you know what, I'll spell it out, Illwei and Stick do me a favour and just don't read this until you're done with the thread:

Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler

You feel reactive to me.

That's the thing that's driving this. I'm not comfortable with how apart from your theorised Bookwyrm/Insanity team, you feel orthagonal to thread discussion, and I feel sensitive about this point as an E!Mat indicator because I do expect Evil you to simulate engagement at some point, but I also do think that it has been a good indicator so far. I'm not dead sold on this because as I said just now, you're not pinging me on this as strongly as you did in the past, but you still are, and that's why my vote is where it is. And that's kinda why I wanna know if they and especially Stick is getting that sense, because that sort of something similar to what pinged Stick the last time. That'll let me know if I'm overreacting/overcompensating to being unwilling to push you early in LG90, if I'm tripping, or if this is something worth applying more pressure on.

I've said it before again and again - you can accuse me of really formalising gut, and maybe it is gut on some level, but as a player, you don't work the thread as your niche without developing a sense for where a player is situated with regard to the thread. That's where I am now.

That's about it.

Sorry there's no quokka here for anyone who opened every single layer. Wasn't really worth your while eh.

 

 

 

 

[Elkanah he/him]

Hi JNV!

1 minute ago, JNV said:

Wait hango n I was rereading the rules and just is the shaman guaranteed to exist cause I kinda thought it was but like I dont see that in there so I guess that was just an assumption whoops

I believe it's in the clarifications

On 11/14/2022 at 5:52 PM, Ashbringer said:

Not every Shin Honorblade is confirmed to appear during the game. Nale's and Talenel's are confirmed to not appear. The Shaman is confirmed to appear.

Bold mine.

5 minutes ago, JNV said:

So blade assumptions not all are guaranteed to eixst

That's true, but I bet we have all eight possible. I believe we have enough players to justify it especially given what was brought up earlier about 20 being the max number of players without having to reorganize the game a little. Your guesses for which ones would be left out seem fair enough without looking to hard at them.

 

9 minutes ago, JNV said:

And with the advent of the official shuffle squat I would just like to say Im getting village positive vibes from both kasimir and Matrim thank you very much 

Agree.

11 minutes ago, JNV said:

Bookwyrm votes Matrim for "looking for proof in something that isnt reelevant" um yeah so Bookwyrm is pinging every radar you know what

10 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Could get behind a Bookwyrm train for the same reasons as Insanity. 

Same, but I'm tapping the brakes for a minute.

 

19 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

What do you expect would be suspicious?

This 

19 minutes ago, The Bookwyrm said:

I haven't read all of these posts that magically appeared while I was gone.

Mat. He seems to be looking for proof in something that isn't relevant, which is suspicious.

 

15 minutes ago, JNV said:

Jen did not enjoy holding weapons, but they held them regardless. They were needed. They would follow.

Good RP. Are you claiming to hold an honorblade, though?

 

[Kasimir he/him]

1 minute ago, Elkanah said:

This 

I can't deny it because Bookwyrm going onto Mat was enough to make me want to reflexively go off Mat... >>

[Szeth Pancakes he/they]

TUN

[The Wandering Wizard he/him]

24 minutes ago, Elkanah said:

You've activated my trap card  My birthday was three weeks ago! I am immune to your votes! 

 

Spoiler

 

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

3 minutes ago, Turtle said:

 

tbh kas could be e but i’ll wait a bit before i vote him cos he’s helpful to us late game and i think i can get a better read on him later game

This probably isn't the best idea, because e!Kas is very good at taking a cycle one e!read and turning it into a v!read cycle two. 

But I also think Kas is V!so maybe don't vote him anyway.

[Turtle they/them]

has illwei talked yet

holy heck why so many ninjas lmao

edit: no ninjas actually just delayed notifs

Edited November 21, 2022 by Turtle

[Kasimir he/him]

2 minutes ago, The Unknown Novel said:

This probably isn't the best idea, because e!Kas is very good at taking a cycle one e!read and turning it into a v!read cycle two. 

But I also think Kas is V!so maybe don't vote him anyway.

I wouldn't advise reading me off the basis of a meme, when there are better indicators.

But this had to be made anyway because of our differing views of MR59

Spoiler

 

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

1 minute ago, Kasimir said:

I wouldn't advise reading me off the basis of a meme, when there are better indicators.

?

Also the same thing kinda happened to Mat, so I don't feel too wrong about it. 

[Kasimir he/him]

Just now, The Unknown Novel said:

?

Also the same thing kinda happened to Mat, so I don't feel too wrong about it. 

Sorry, that line wasn't directed at you. General disclaimer.

Same thing in what sense?

[Turtle they/them]

lol it’s not even rollover

i think suddenly i’m scared i got the rollover time wrong help

edit: have confirmed rollover is not in fact in 2 minutes :p.

Edited November 21, 2022 by Turtle

[JNV]

2 minutes ago, Elkanah said:

I believe it's in the clarifications

Ok cool thanks youre the best I was wondreing where Id gotten that from so yeah shaman whoever you are Im glad you exist

3 minutes ago, Elkanah said:

Good RP. Are you claiming to hold an honorblade, though?

No Im going off the "Shin warriors" bit of the opening write up  cant really be a warrior without weapons especially against invading shardbearers you know

7 minutes ago, Turtle said:

tbh kas could be e but i’ll wait a bit before i vote him cos he’s helpful to us late game and i think i can get a better read on him later game

Ok this statement this statement feels a bit iffy like if you think they could be evil say why cause like everyone can be evil you could be evil I could be evil theres no real need to comment on it unless your evil measurement on Kasimir is higher than baseline and if so then why and if not then why bring it up

3 minutes ago, The Unknown Novel said:

This probably isn't the best idea, because e!Kas is very good at taking a cycle one e!read and turning it into a v!read cycle two. 

But I also think Kas is V!so maybe don't vote him anyway.

Honestly feels similar to the statement youre reacting to like warn against but also no its fine like it just feels like a statement there to imply without formalizing a position for or against specifically might be reading too much into it oh well

Ive got to go to lunch now at me if you need me bye

[Kasimir he/him]

12 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Got ninjaed by Turtle so I have to post this separately. I'll be mad if this borks my formatting.

Like sure, you know what, I'll spell it out, Illwei and Stick do me a favour and just don't read this until you're done with the thread:

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You feel reactive to me.

That's the thing that's driving this. I'm not comfortable with how apart from your theorised Bookwyrm/Insanity team, you feel orthagonal to thread discussion, and I feel sensitive about this point as an E!Mat indicator because I do expect Evil you to simulate engagement at some point, but I also do think that it has been a good indicator so far. I'm not dead sold on this because as I said just now, you're not pinging me on this as strongly as you did in the past, but you still are, and that's why my vote is where it is. And that's kinda why I wanna know if they and especially Stick is getting that sense, because that sort of something similar to what pinged Stick the last time. That'll let me know if I'm overreacting/overcompensating to being unwilling to push you early in LG90, if I'm tripping, or if this is something worth applying more pressure on.

I've said it before again and again - you can accuse me of really formalising gut, and maybe it is gut on some level, but as a player, you don't work the thread as your niche without developing a sense for where a player is situated with regard to the thread. That's where I am now.

That's about it.

Sorry there's no quokka here for anyone who opened every single layer. Wasn't really worth your while eh.

 

 

 

 

Right, and I suppose the addendum is: I really want a SAN check?

This feels like the sort of thing I want a SAN check on. I could spell out why, but I think we know why: Silho, Devo, Bort, Wiz... I think it's worth getting one. I grant it's early in the cycle but given how I've fared over the last couple of games, I like SAN checks. In an ideal world, I get SAN checks in my PMs so the thread doesn't have to deal with that. This isn't an ideal world, unfortunately. And if the people I'm getting SAN checks from are Evil, that's fine. It still goes in the thread with a paper trail and I have faith in the Village. Wir schaffen das.

So that's about it, @Matrim's Dice. 

[The Wandering Wizard he/him]

1 minute ago, Turtle said:

i think suddenly i’m scared i got the rollover time wrong help

I don't think so. I got 1 AM for mine.

You could just look at the hour your GM PM opened and that should give you a idea, I think.

Let me check.

Yup should work!

I am here, but Kas doesn't look that evil.

Confused about Mat, gonna let those feelings simmer before voting him though.

Bookwyrm seems off, my view is sliding between his interactions with Insa being coaching or familiarity. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Araris Valerian he/him]

3 minutes ago, The Wandering Wizard said:

Bookwyrm seems off, my view is sliding between his interactions with Insa being coaching or familiarity. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I agree that Bookwyrm is suspicious. Alvron can live until I get a Division blade,.

To elaborate, Book's posts feel like they are too careful. Sometime newer players are like that, but I think newer elims are even more prone to that, so it's worth a vote change.

[The Wandering Wizard he/him]

Sorry ash.

Forgot Chantara

[Mat he/him]

4 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

So that's about it, @Matrim's Dice. 

And you accuse my points of being weak :P. Sorry, but that's what, the only thing you've ever read me elim for, broadly speaking? It's no better for me to respond to that point than no point at all, imo. Maybe when I flip village you'll stop saying that about me