Mid-Range Game 45: A Trapper's Tale

[Illwei]

Im going to @people because im on mobile and its hard to quote posts

@Matrim's Dice @Straw uh you do you but i personally dont think reading should be killed because this is his first game back in a while, though i guess you guys in particular would have a better idea of what reading looks like as an elim. I also dont have a great alternative right now so im going to have to look more. I mean right now i wouldnt be opposed to voting silber

@Straw you never exactly gave your reasonings for voting reading?

@The Windrunner Supreme can you explain what you mean by "lucky you" ?

@Elkanah @Ashbringer @Vapor i know the LG is running, but if you guys could take 30 minutes and read through and weite at lest something in regards to who youre voting for that would be nice.

@Frozen Mint @Lord_Silberfarben ,?

 

Edit: ninjad by Matrim

Edited October 3, 2020 by Illwei

[The Windrunner Supreme he/him]

5 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Im going to @people because im on mobile and its hard to quote posts

@Matrim's Dice @Straw uh you do you but i personally dont think reading should be killed because this is his first game back in a while, though i guess you guys in particular would have a better idea of what reading looks like as an elim. I also dont have a great alternative right now so im going to have to look more. I mean right now i wouldnt be opposed to voting silber

@Straw you never exactly gave your reasonings for voting reading?

@The Windrunner Supreme can you explain what you mean by "lucky you" ?

@Elkanah @Ashbringer @Vapor i know the LG is running, but if you guys could take 30 minutes and read through and weite at lest something in regards to who youre voting for that would be nice.

@Frozen Mint @Lord_Silberfarben ,?

 

Edit: ninjad by Matrim

I meant that you were not put on the list of potential people to be lynched for day 1, so you were lucky

[The Windrunner Supreme he/him]

24 minutes ago, Shard of Reading said:

So, first I want to say a few things.

1. I understand why you guys want to lynch me. I know I've been acting oddly but that is mainly because I suck at putting my thoughts into writing.
2. I think it is quite likely that I might be lynched tonight so I will give you my reads. (Very incomplete list)

Village:

Turtle/elurt- Mainly because of the question. You'll see when I flip village that there is no way that would actually work. (They have a aviar ablity)

Cadcom: Same reason as turtle. They asked a question they could have had answered in the elim doc. (They also don't have an aviar ability)

Neutral/leaning elim:

Windrunner Supreme: Mostly a gut read here. I have no idea why I think this. It could just be they are a new player, or they made a mistake, (Like me) but for some reason they give off elim vibes to me.

Gears: Mainly just his RP posts. This is slightly biased but I don't like his writing style and so I'm looking at his posts slightly jaded. He still seems to give off too much elim feel for me.

Elim:

Straw: Again, I'm biased (I don't like being voted on) but something about the way Straw put his vote on me seemed off. It could just be me being paranoid or he could be an elim. I have no way of knowing, but I figured I'd put my thoughts into a post.

As a postscript, if you guys do decide to lynch me, I will be sad because this is my first real game in awhile, but I will be fine with it because I think it will give you information to use once I flip village. I'm going to keep my vote off straw because it's more of a very vague hunch and I could be wrong. Lastly, if you want to have my explain my read's I'm not going to be able to do it much better than I did here.

Why do you think I am elim?

Edited October 3, 2020 by The Windrunner Supreme

[Shard of Reading he/him]

1 minute ago, The Windrunner Supreme said:

Why do you think I am elim? This is my first game and I have no idea what I am doing

First please avoid double posting. You can use the + mark next to the quote button to quote multiple people.

Secondly, if you could just give your thoughts on what is happening I would likely trust you. Even if you don't have anything to say it will still help people know that your just not trying to hide behind a mask of new player innocence as an elim.

[Straw he/him]

2 minutes ago, Illwei said:

@Matrim's Dice @Straw uh you do you but i personally dont think reading should be killed because this is his first game back in a while, though i guess you guys in particular would have a better idea of what reading looks like as an elim. I also dont have a great alternative right now so im going to have to look more. I mean right now i wouldnt be opposed to voting silber

@Straw you never exactly gave your reasonings for voting reading?

I don't think Reading has been gone that long. I'm already opposed to killing the new players on D1, and that severely cuts down the list. I'd rather not remove more people.

My primary reason for voting Reading was gut and because I wanted to start some actual voting. I don't think he's done much to inspire confidence since then. While I appreciate him giving reads, him reading me as an elim seems very retaliatory. He also had several "when I flip village" things in his most recent post, which I found suspicious. I'm going to keep my vote on him for now, as I haven't seen any better target.

[The Windrunner Supreme he/him]

1 minute ago, Shard of Reading said:

First please avoid double posting. You can use the + mark next to the quote button to quote multiple people.

Secondly, if you could just give your thoughts on what is happening I would likely trust you. Even if you don't have anything to say it will still help people know that your just not trying to hide behind a mask of new player innocence as an elim.

Okay. Sorry for double posting. I did not know. I think that Matrim's Dice or You are elim, although that is just my gut feeling

[Shard of Reading he/him]

9 minutes ago, Straw said:

My primary reason for voting Reading was gut and because I wanted to start some actual voting. I don't think he's done much to inspire confidence since then. While I appreciate him giving reads, him reading me as an elim seems very retaliatory. He also had several "when I flip village" things in his most recent post, which I found suspicious. I'm going to keep my vote on him for now, as I haven't seen any better target.

The truth is the read on you was kind of retaliatory, but I do feel like, for some reason I can't explain that you are an elim.

Edit: Also I do understand why you don't trust me. I haven't been acting in a manner that deserves that. Why I kept saying "When I flip village" was partially because I won't like it but I will be fine if you kill me. It will give the village information and clear @elturT

Edited October 3, 2020 by Shard of Reading

[Illwei]

8 minutes ago, Shard of Reading said:

The truth is the read on you was kind of retaliatory, but I do feel like, for some reason I can't explain that you are an elim.

Edit: Also I do understand why you don't trust me. I haven't been acting in a manner that deserves that. Why I kept saying "When I flip village" was partially because I won't like it but I will be fine if you kill me. It will give the village information and clear @elturT

in what way would it clear Turtle?

I mean, the only thing I'm getting off of you is tons of defense, and that's kinda wierd but also not unexpected

[Mat he/him]

10 minutes ago, The Windrunner Supreme said:

Okay. Sorry for double posting. I did not know. I think that Matrim's Dice or You are elim, although that is just my gut feeling

That's interesting, as I read Reading as elim...

I agree with Straw that Reading's responses haven't been super reassuring, but considering the last game I remember him playing was in May, I think he deserves to live a little while longer. I also think that saying stuff about 'when I flip village' isn't suspicious. 

[Illwei]

Just now, Matrim's Dice said:

That's interesting, as I read Reading as elim...

I agree with Straw that Reading's responses haven't been super reassuring, but considering the last game I remember him playing was in May, I think he deserves to live a little while longer. I also think that saying stuff about 'when I flip village' isn't suspicious. 

He played Sart's Free for all, but also died N1 there. 

I agree that I don't see the "when i flip village" as suspicious generally, but also you kind of have to take it on a case by case basis. I do think it's weird that Reading gave Straw an Elim read and not Matrim, but Straw was the first to vote. I was the first to mark him as sus though.

[Ashbringer he/him]

35 minutes ago, Illwei said:

@Elkanah @Ashbringer @Vapor i know the LG is running, but if you guys could take 30 minutes and read through and weite at lest something in regards to who youre voting for that would be nice.

Er... hi everyone!

I had a really busy, tired day yesterday so I didn't have much time for either game, and the time I had was devoted mostly to the LG. I'm going to have lunch soon and then I'll try and post my thoughts. No promises on a vote D1, because I tend not to like those.

[Shard of Reading he/him]

20 minutes ago, Illwei said:

in what way would it clear Turtle?

I mean, the only thing I'm getting off of you is tons of defense, and that's kinda wierd but also not unexpected

Well what do you expect? I can't exactly attack someone else with out good evidence (I'm the only person who's been acting super weird) and I don't want to die.

Because at the beginning I asked him if he had any questions. It's also more of a soft clear of turtle but that's beside the point.

Edit: I'm not going to be online much after this. Have a good weekend everyone.

Edited October 3, 2020 by Shard of Reading

[Ashbringer he/him]

Okay. I agree with Straw that we shouldn't be lynching any new players D1, and I'll extend for me personally to CadCom (a returning player after a fairly long break) and Shard of Reading (a semi-returning player... who I may or may not have killed D1 in the last game he played in).

Shard seems to be playing rather forcefully for D1, but the lack of early activity doesn't make that terribly surprising.

elturT may give me a bit of a headache trying to spell, but seems to have been somewhat-ish-cleared by virtue of not being told the game rules. I'll take it for a round or two of narrowing down.

I'm feeling good about Straw and Matrim for general guidance, and Illwei for activity prompting. Everyone else... null for now.

[Experience he/him]

There are just over 5 hours left in this turn, and I want to remind everyone to submit any actions.

Edited October 3, 2020 by Experience

[Illwei]

7 minutes ago, Experience said:

There are just over 5 hours left in this turn, and I want to remind everyone to submit any actions.

I was 100% about to mark this suspicious before remembering that Experience is the GM

[Gears]

I am terrible at identifying traitors by their quirks and tells. To help with this, I am going to write down everything my fellow trappers ever said and my thoughts on them

1 First of the Bone: Notes the tardiness of the trappers. Null

2 Fourth of the Dark: Analyses roles. Null

3 Pi of the Book: Hypothesises four traitors, plans for five. While this hypothesis is strange, I do not think it demonstrates alignment.

4 First of the Light: Disagrees with five traitors, thinks the Spy should be unconditionally followed. Given that this would be terrible for the Traitors, I am inclined to think positively of Light, but this could be an opportunity for a Traitor to consign an ally to death and proceed to lead the trappers on a jolly killing spree.

5 First of the Clouds: Thinks Light's plan is good, though is concerned about about killing a trapper with a Healer. Valid concerns, but null.

6 Fourth of the Dark: Proposes checking the Spy with the Aviar Spy if they are ever wrong. Null.

7 Pi of the Book: Wanted to overestimate, not underestimate. Notes the risks of taking false positives in the endgame. Null.

8 Philico: Notes that Pi has a good point. Null.

9 295864685th of the Midnight: Is a new trapper. Null.

10 Philico: Welcomes Midnight. Null.

11 PI of the Book: Teases Midnight. Null.

12 Twisp Winthrop: Believes Pi's overestimation to be a Traitorous statement. Null.

13 Pi of the Book: Thinks overestimating and killing more is better than underestimating. I disagree with this statement because when underestimating, it is immediately evident when one is wrong, but when overestimating, one never gets a confirmation, and it allows for conspiracy theories. Null.

14 Second of the Dawn: Thinks caution is a virtue, though not an urgent one. Null.

15 Pi of the Book: Thinks lynching wildly is a valid strategy, which is not my opinion the matter. Null.

16 Elkanah: Thinks lynching with a touch of reason is advisable. Null.

17 Twisp Winthrop: Notes that 5 traitors is exceedingly high, and that paperwork is bothersome. Null.

18 First of the Clouds: Is also new. Null.

19 Pi of the Book: Asks Cloud what his thoughts are.

20 First of the Clouds: Agrees with lynching anyone who appears as traitor. Notes that I ran about with a knife, screaming about killing Patji. Null [Note to self: Stop sleepwalking.]

21 Philico: Informs Cloud that screaming at the sky is my modus operandi. Null.

22 First of the Clouds: Asks if I genuinely killed anyone during past sleepwalking escapades. Null.

23 Philico: Informs Cloud that I did not kill anyone yet. Null.

24 Pi of the Book: Notes my strangeness. Asks Cloud if they have any questions. Null.

25 First of the Clouds: Asks how to get their Aviar to act, demonstrating their complete inexperience. I would be inclined to trust that such a new trapper would not be a killer, or would at least consult their allies if they were, but one can never know for sure. 

26 Pi of the Book: Tells Cloud how to command their Aviar. Null.

27 First of the Clouds: Thanks. Null.

28 Twisp Winthrop: Thinks Cloud is probably not an elim. Null.

29 Pi of the Book: Agrees, why asked question in first place. Null.

30 First of the Clouds: Poaching newbies good strategy. Null.

31 Pi of the Book: Was split second decision. Null.

32 First of the Clouds: Compliments Pi. Null.

33 Second of the Dawn: Pi has missed their chance to question Dawn. Null.

34 Pi of the Book: Does not understand. Null

35 Philico: Agrees with Winthrop, though dislikes Pi for reasons unknown

36 Twisp Winthrop: Thinks might be focusing on Pi, but finds their response strange. Winthrop || Pi. 

37 Pi of the Book: Explains predilection for ego, though it should really be id, and inarticulation. Null.

38 First of the Person: A returning trapper with questions and a lack of experience-related knoweldge. Null.

39 Philico: Still doesn't like Pi. Will refrain from voting for them. Null.

40 295864685th of the Midnight: The game is strangely wonderful. Null.

41 Philico: Midnight, you're so young. Null.

42 First of the Light: Votes Pi for instinct and simple process of elimination. I would like a better explanation for this, but with uneasy feelings, I accept it. 

43 Twisp Winthrop: Light's list was incomplete. Null.

44 First of the Light: Corrects list. Null.

45 Philico: Agrees with Light's proposal without reasoning. This also strikes me as odd, but it is the first day, so there is little we can analyse. 

46 295864685th of the Midnight: Comments on Winthrop's luck. Null.

47 Twisp Winthrop: Asks what Midnight means. Null.

48 Second of the Dawn: Clarifies earlier point. Wants to delay lynching someone. Since they are new, I will allow this dissident viewpoint.

49 Fourth of the Dark: Dawn is wrong. Null.

50 Philico: Lynch analysis is good. Null.

51 Twisp Winthrop: Need to vote for info. Null.

52 Third of the Midnight: No info, will return. Null.

53 Second of the Dawn: Considers Aviars the best source of information. Null.

54 First of the Clouds: Agrees with Dawn. Null.

55 Philico: True, but lynch begets more discussion. Null.

56 Fourth of the Dark: New trappers are fools. Null.

57 Twisp Winthrop: Will not vote Pi since they have just returned. Wary of Dark for communicating via journal entries. 

58 Pi of the Book: A reads list. Most elim reads are retaliatory in nature. [Note: I am personally offended at your disdain for my method of communications. I cry ableism and prejudice.] Null.

59 Philico: Releases Pi as they are returning from the mainland. Calls for Lord Silberfarben to wake up. Null.

60 Twisp Winthrop: Asks some questions. Null.

61 295864685th of the Midnight: Answers Winthrop's question. Null.

62 295862685th of the Midnight. Asks a question. Null. Alas, this person is so new that they do not even know the rules of common courtesy.

63 Pi of the Book: Tells Midnight that they need to provide info. Null.

64 First of the Light: Voting Pi because no other targets avail themselves and because they are very retaliatory. Null.

65 295864685th of the Midnight: Apologises for their complete lack of manners. Thinks Pi or Philico are traitors based on instinct. Null.

66 Pi of the Book: Acknowledges retaliatory nature. Death will clear Cloud. Thinks Light is an elim for inexplicable reasons. Null. 

67 Philico: Thinks Pi hasn't been responding well, but doesn't see too much suspicion. Null.

68 Twisp Winthrop: Agrees, but thinks things are strange. Null.

69 First of the Bone: Very busy, shall return. Null.

70 Pi of the Book: Concedes, departs. Null.

71 First of the Bone: Likes Philico, Light, and Winthrop. Null.

72 Patji: A nightmaw screeched, reminding us all that night was falling soon. Discussion would soon end, and we would have to sleep.

73 Twisp Winthrop: Fears the nightmaw. Null.

First of the Clouds has an Aviar. First of the Person either doesn't have an Aviar or doesn't have one that activates traps. Twisp Winthrop and Pi of the Book are probably not both traitors. First of the Light has voted for PI of the Book with little reasoning. Light has been helpful, so I'm inclined to think the best of them, but the lack of reasoning still strikes me as odd despite our complete lack of information. I personally do not think Pi is an elim, but their defensive nature makes me reconsider. No one is saying anything that makes me think they have a particular alignment. Speak more, so that I might know more. 

The nightmaw is a fearsome predator, with a preternatural sense of smell and the ability to track minds. They will not find us because of our precautions, but anyone out wandering in the night risks being devoured. I fear it as I should not. I long for the power of the outsiders, with their weapons that strike down these beasts. I long for the untouched sanctity of Patji, before the outsiders. I long for a life untouched by fear. These wishes are contradictory. I am of Patji's brood, and yet I long to strike it down. I refuse to be wrong. I refuse to concede. I refuse to die here, now, struck down by this island among many, as a trapper among many, with no distinction or recognition. I refuse to be another meaningless tragedy. Like no trapper before me, I shall be remembered. The Pantheon itself will be outlived by my legacy. So I declare, and so it shall be done. 

[Illwei]

Silber  

Does this work? Im on mobile this is stress. Im probably not going to be on. For a while, maybe until after rollover (hah, yeah right. Ill probably be back within the hour)

I normally dont like contribution crusades but i have nothing thats not on new people and gears and reading, none of which i want to vote on.

[+JesterLavorre she/they]

Well, seems like we’re voting Silber.

I’m not sure what people’s tells are, or anything like that, so I’ll just go with the general consensus here, I guess.

[Mat he/him]

5 minutes ago, JesterLavorre said:

Well, seems like we’re voting Silber.

I’m not sure what people’s tells are, or anything like that, so I’ll just go with the general consensus here, I guess.

That's only the consensus because I poke voted him and I figured that since he was never active this would prevent a contribution crusade later. I'd rather have an actual D1 lynch. He hasn't posted.

Edited October 4, 2020 by Matrim's Dice

[Illwei]

43 minutes ago, JesterLavorre said:

Well, seems like we’re voting Silber.

I’m not sure what people’s tells are, or anything like that, so I’ll just go with the general consensus here, I guess.

41 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

That's only the consensus because I poke voted him and I figured that since he was never active this would prevent a contribution crusade later. I'd rather have an actual D1 lynch. He hasn't posted.

It's not even a consensus it's just me and whoever voted before. he won't be on probably from what I know anymore, but I don't want to kill reading or Gears. (my two top suspicions rn). not sure how I feel about that post Jester, but you're new so- not much I can think from it. 

[+JesterLavorre she/they]

20 minutes ago, Illwei said:

It's not even a consensus it's just me and whoever voted before. he won't be on probably from what I know anymore, but I don't want to kill reading or Gears. (my two top suspicions rn). not sure how I feel about that post Jester, but you're new so- not much I can think from it. 

I may have misinterpreted your vote then. Whoops.

Why are you opposed to lynching gears?

[Ashbringer he/him]

Probably because we just D1 lynched him in the LG...

I think Silber’s a fair lynch. Rollover’s late enough it might hit his timezone, and having consequences for inactivity is a idea I can support.

... because it can convince me to post here more .

[Straw he/him]

Wait why are people going after Silber? I'd really rather not go full contribution crusade on day one.

[+JesterLavorre she/they]

3 minutes ago, Straw said:

Wait why are people going after Silber? I'd really rather not go full contribution crusade on day one.

I’m open to going someone else, I’d feel bad if we lynched gears or reading, but they do seem like the best choices. I just woke up, so I’m going to review what people said and try to post an analysis or something before the round ends. 

[Illwei]

4 minutes ago, JesterLavorre said:

I’d feel bad if we lynched gears or reading,

Cool, I'll wait for your analysis to tell me why you think gears is a good choice.