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Well, we know from WoB that Seons would become something similar to a Nahel bond if they moved to Roshar, and also that if given an increased connection to the physical they could become a Shardblade. We also know now that both Seons and Cognitive shadows become shades on Threnody, so if they share one similarity, they may share the other. This could open up some interesting possibilities. Imagine Kelsier bonded to Kaladin. They'd be the ultimate Lighteye killing duo.

That's an interesting idea, though I would probably divide the six up differently personally. I think top 5 surges pure Honor, bottom 5 H+C, top 5 Voids pure Odium, bottom 5 O+C, the top 5 (insert last magic here) pure Cultivation, bottom 5... H+O. Hmm. It seems like neither really divide up nice and neatly while still being consistent with what we know. I'll stick with the original Intent-meshing Theory.

The third system has ten too though. We know there's 30, and Surgebinding accounts for 10 and the ten levels of Voidbinding another 10, so all that remains is ten. Unless all three magic systems have Honor in them, which entirely invalidates the Intent-meshing theorem, at least one of the systems has to be ten-based without any influence from Honor, which might as well go to the magic system we know is specifically used by Honor's enemies.

When your surge is called the surge of Destruction and Decay, your name rhymes with the bad guys' name, and you (most likely) have red eyes just like the bad guys, it's no wonder people compare the two.

4580, with a Stoneward and one Lightweaver.

Can you take my excitement too? I seem to be lacking it.

Responses in bold.@Kurk I can't seem to find it, but you could try asking Chaos. I think he was the one who asked Brandon the question.

Brass and Zinc are external in Allomancy, actually.

We have WoB, however, that Commands are the focus.

He could have been repeating it in his head during his torture too, a la hoed mantras. And I don't think someone put Taln's mind in this person's. I'm more inclined to think he simply took over his identity and position, and then confused it with his own identity after 4500 years of constant torture.

I just posted this in the other thread, but I'll put it here too. Seons/Skaze can indeed be made into Shardblades.

WoB is theoretically yes, but you'd need a way to bring the Seon more into the physical realm iirc. I'll go find the quote. Edit: Here's the quote.

I think it's more along the lines of "both are Realmatically the same." They're both ideas (Destroy evil vs. honor, law, truth, etc) given life through Investiture (Breath, Endowment's Splinters vs. Honor's Splinters) that take the physical aspect of destructive magical swords.

The metals act as a conduit in Allomancy for Preservation's Investiture to flow straight from him to you. You can of course take in the mists directly too, which functions exactly like taking in Stormlight/ Breaths. Selian magics work similarly: the symbols act as a conduit for the Dor, the combined Investiture of Dominion and Devotion. @Feruchemy: Feruchemy is a balance magic, so it's actually of both Ruin and Preservation.

And the two ambassadors are Nalan and someone unknown, possibly Kalak. "My lord" is Jezrien, so Szeth's blade is really their lord's.

Sorry if I came off like that. It's just not a genre I'm interested in, and as far as I know there isn't really enough new info in these to justify an entire purchase when there's going to only be a little I don't already know. Wasn't the previous MAG mostly a rehash of known info in terms of Cosmere/ Mistborn relevant stuff? I will make my post less offensive, though.

Hell was a little silly, but the rest are great. I wonder though: would it be possible to set some sort of random chance to it, so that one time you'd get storming, dusting another, and occasionally something ridiculous like "By Jezrien's Beard" or something similar? I'd probably end up swearing a lot though lol to see what comes up.

Has anyone posted all the new info from that anywhere? I don't think it's worth buying it when I don't want to play it and the new info is probably not that large.

As far as we know, there is no Snapping involved, though it is very possible that the scale of trauma necesarry is simply too low to register, ie stubbing your toe, or even the process of being born, since we do know that Vin's birth was enough to Snap her.

But what about Ruin? His magic has 16 metals too. And on Roshar, all three systems have ten orders, even though Honor is likely involved in only 1-2 of the systems.

I'm sure size does actually limit how much it can hold, as there's only so much Investiture you can cram in. It's just that Hemalurgy can't normally produce the levels of energy needed to test that capacity, like how you can't exactly fill a metalmind by only charging it for a day.

If the storm talks, though, I think you very well might.

Ooh, interesting. So essentially, Honor, as the intent is interpreted by Tanavast, has ten goals/subintents? And then each bonding spren, being a splinter of Honor, has only one of those subintents?As for the rest of your post, I should probably clarify my theory a little. This here is exactly what I mean. The Unmade are not ten beings, and they're not direct correlations to any beings of Honor (though Yelig-Nar, in particular, is serving the same role as the Stormfather). Instead, what I'm saying here is that they're the same type of being as the Stormfather, Nightwatcher, et cetera– they're über-spren, not Heralds, and there aren't necessarily an Honorsplinter equivalent for each and every one. So I agree with you here. @Sliver talk: that has been confusing me too. I don't see how the Stormfather could be both a spren that is a remnant of Honor's power and a former holder of Honor– the two seem mutually exclusive to me.

Jesk? We get to be Hoid?

After around 400 posts or so, I've realized that I still haven't made a single thread of my own. It's probably time to change that. So behold, my baseless speculation in grand, likely typo-filled, thread form. Now, like many of you, I at first thought that the Unmade were the counterparts of the Heralds. It just made a lot of sense that way: the Honor gets his über-powered men to lead his forces, and Odium gets his own mega-powered monsters to lead the Desolations. But a recent WoB has changed that. Now, if there are not the same number of Unmade as Heralds, then they cannot be direct counterparts to them. So what are they? Taravangian actually tells us in WoR. This is in reference to Nergaoul, the Unmade responsible for the Thrill. Now, before you ask, I am aware that Brandon is famous for unreliable characters. But Taravangian is one of the most knowledgeable characters in SA we know of. His information comes from an intelligence that completely, and utterly, transcends normal human thought. Barring any strong evidence to the contrary, we should take his word for it. But there is more. This is a section of Jasnah's personal notes in WoK. It's completely consistent with Taravangian's comment– the Unmade are forces, ideas given life like spren.But Unmade are much, much bigger than ordinary spren. Nergaoul's Thrill covers all of Alethkar. Moelach's Death Rattles occur all the way from Taravangian's hospital in Kharbranth to the Shattered Plains. And Yelig-nar can rip roofs off a building iirc (if anyone could find the quote for this one, I'd be very grateful). Only one spren so far can match this level of power: the Stormfather. He controls an enormous hypercane great enough to span more than the entire supercontinent. He's the Father to the Honorspren. The Nightwatcher, too, is likely this sort of spren, referred to as Mother by Wyndle. Interestingly, Re-Shephir, a likely Unmade candidate, is also called Mother. So the same relationship holds with the Unmade. The Unmade are 'parents' to the voidspren, who are just smaller splinters of Odium. These spren bond with a variety of things, like Parshendi, stone, and smoke(?) to form the Voidbringer troops. And, as we saw so epically with Dalinar, the über-spren can be bonded with too, with both the Stormfather, and the Unmade too. And here's one last quote to close this off. Now on to the far more theoretical portion of my theory (That sounded much less stupid in my head). We now know that the Everstorm is Odium's version of a Highstorm. As the Highstorm is led by the Stormfather, it follows that the Everstorm has its own über-spren, one of the Unmade. One of the Unmade we've seen so far stands out in particular for this:Yelig-Nar. First off, he's called Blightwind.With how little we have to go on, this is probably enough. But I'll add more anyway, because this post isn't long enough already. Yelig-Nar is also the most physically active Unmade so far. He kills Nohadon's men, rips a roof off a building (very stormy, right? Oh, and again, a quote for me, upvotes for you) , and doesn't seem to do the subtle, mental influences others like Dai-Gonarthis, Sja-Anat, Moelach, Nergaoul, et cetera are known for. Similarly, the Stormfather goes around smashing things with giant Highstorms, as opposed to someone like the Nightwatcher, who just screws around flipping people's vision and giving them bizarre eating disorders. And those "wails"? What sounds more "wail"-ish than the storm winds of a malevolent hypercane?Edit: Shoot, I posted before I finished. Give me a second to edit the rest in. Edit 2: Good enough.