Claincy

I'm in =) Thanks for doing this Joe it is really awesome of you.

Welcome to the forums Aetae!

My apologies. I'm guessing this quote:

I edited without reloading the page so I hadn't seen your new post when I did so. I proved myself wrong regarding "y" although I think it may be the case in AOL. Same here. They look much better to me too. Which is why I am working on a font for them (it's nearly complete actually). I currently plan to finish the font, make a reference table and transcribe the shadows of self reading into the steel alphabet for something for people to read in it then post it in a new topic. I read through the entirety of the page. I found no other problems with your letter assignments, they seem right to me. (I did find two spelling errors though The problem was in the translation from english to the steel alphabet. In one place "enhance" was spelt with a noname 20 instead of duralumin, so enhanche The other was a spelling of "shall" that used duralumin/noname 21 instead of noname 22. Both were spelt correctly in multiple other places). In English the letter "y" can have 3 different sounds: -it can sound like the personal pronoun "I" -it can sound like an e, such as in hay. (though that isn't the best example) -finally it has its own more unique sound that is kind of like "ue" such is in yellow or yeah etc, whenever it is at the start of the word really.

He is referring to the reputation system. I'm guessing you've noticed the green/grey (or red 0_o) bar beneath everyones avatars with a number and rank showing their reputation. When he's talking about +1's/-1's he's talking about using the buttons at the bottom right of the post to rate the post up/down. I'm figuring he's on a mobile device which makes it very hard to reliably hit the upvote button instead of the downvote. [You probably know all that other than maybe the mobile bit already, oh well. Pretty certain that's what he was talking about.]

Actually I disagree a bit. Many of the symbols from alloy of law are drastically different to their FE counterparts. I spent a bit of time looking through and comparing symbols and as far as I can determine the actual letter to metal is more or less the same. A number of the glyphs have less spikes, in each case this appears to be because the spikes have been integrated into the flair at the end of the curve. This is most notable in the case of atium, where the curve now has a solid line on either end in place of the extra 2 spikes. I'm pretty certain it is a new font but in no way a new language. In the specific case of lerasium, take the FE symbol, then take the partial curve on the left side of the glyph and extend it to a full curve and you more or less have the AOL lerasium. If you look through them all you will find similar adjustments, but they still match up. I'll try to get my hands on a copy of AOl again in the next week to check the chapter headers against this. Here's what I am trying to propose with nicrosil. It appears from what the small example we do have that any "i" or "e" sound is represented by tin, so "why" would be spelt chromium, mystery 21, tin. However, I am proposing that the why sound found in "yellow" as well as any j sounds should all be covered by Nicrosil. I'm not trying to say that y isn't nicrosil, but proposing that it is more phonetic based which I think fits well with the language. (I don't think asking Valkynphyre will work, he hasn't been online in a long time.) I ahve the MAG so I plan to look through the page myself today or tomorrow and see what we can find, but by and large I don't think we are going to find much more from it. Edit: I've started going through the page and found a place where nicrosil is used at the end of the word "holy" which partially throws my theory there. I still think that i or e sounds inside words would be written using tin not nicrosil though. (I may of course find evidence against this shortly ) Edit2: Theroy fully debunked, beyond was spelt with nicrosil. Oh well, I think that one of the changes by AOL is that it is more phonetic based, noting that both "y"s are replaced by tin symbols with the dot in different spots representing "i" or "e" sounds. However this clearly does not apply in FE era. Also, symbol 20 is actually "sh" not "ch" so symbol 22 may be "ch" but I don't know that for certain yet. Evidence: the word "shall" was spelt using symbol 20 at the start. (12th word for reference's sake). nevermind, that was my mistake. The text is soo small!

Nicely done =) One thing I've noticed, looking back at the alloy of law version of Valkynphyre's name from Peter. The tin symbol (aka i/e sound) was also used for y. In that case nicrosil might just be J and/or tin is used for all situations where y has an "i" sounds.

I get the feeling that the way I imagine mistcloaks is a bit different to what most people do. I read the mistborn books a long time before I got into the rest of Brandon Sandersons books and the copy I had of the final empire was the one with this cover http://www.walmart.com/ip/Mistborn-The-Final-Empire/5681389 (sorry, not sure how to embed images). That combined with the line in FE: Gave me a rather different viewpoint on mistcloaks to most people. In my imagination mistcloaks tend to be a bit later than normal, but more importantly are composed entirely of the strips of cloth, without any sort of mantle except as composed of those strips. I also tend to envision them as having more and thinner strips than most are depicted or made with. If I do get around to making one (hopefully someday ) it'll probably be more like that. I can always just say its from an obscure part of the final empire

It might well attract an honorspren although this depends on whether they are able to in some way feel or sense other investiture. (Complete conjecture.) The important thing I would be worried about is what happens when they stop tapping and more when they start storing. An honor spren, as demonstrated by Syl, can choose to leave someone.

I do like this theory. It wouldn't surprise me for Leras to have set up something to help Scadrians to worldhop as a backup plan. A couple of things I feel could be mentioned here: -I could be wrong here but I had a gut feeling that any shard's power could be utilized for worldhopping. If that was the case the reliance on using both preservation And ruin's power doesn't fit as well. Though here I am more suggesting that there is a way to do it without any of ruin's power and a way to do it without using preservations power. That doesn't at all preclude it being doable and likely easier the way you are suggesting, using both. -About the imbalance of Atium and Lerasium: I agree to a point. Lerasium does seem a bit too much more useful than atium, but at the same time I would expect raw power from preservation to be more potent in preservations magic system than raw power from ruin.

I think there is a difference between what he says he logically should be like, saying he doesn't deserve his fitness etc and how he actually perceives himself. All his memories are from since he returned and so he only remembers looking like that. Also, everybody around him all the time believes that he should look as he does. Basically I think he doesn't accept himself being a divinity but, at the same time he does recognize that there is something special about returned and believes that he should look the way he does. Does that make sense? (This is of course just my speculation, not confirmed.)

Welcome snowboardsrule! I still haven't met Brandon =( He isn't in Australia very often. Sounds like your mistborn copy is a lot like mine, its been well loved, and shows it

I don't necessarily think it's the case but I do like that idea. Although, it is also possible that it could be the other way and recovering breaths from stone and metal is very very hard or nearly impossible. In which case storing breath into a sword but not awakening it could be a very bad move.

True. But personally I see awakening and "investing" breaths into an object to be very seperate actions. Although the awakening requires the investing to accomplish the investing can be done by itself. Just like someone with only say 10 breaths could invest them in a large curtain but couldn't awaken it, I think that people below the 9th heightening can still invest breaths in rock and metal but simply couldn't awaken it.

What happens if a returned bestows their breath on a lifeless? (Posting that here as it's something I figured may have already been answered or at least speculated on but I was unable to find anything directly relating to it.)

I agree. I don't see why you couldn't, it's just placing breath into it without doing anything to it. I'm pretty sure seeing as you aren't actually awakening it there is no functional difference between storing it in a sword and storing it in, say, a shawl. The only real difference between them is the quantity of breath and the technique required to actually awaken it which is irrelevant in this case.

Someday he'll come to Australia again and I'll actually be able to go =( Welcome to the forums Neraji!

Ok, that quote is a bit clearer than previous ones I had seen/remembered, thanks.

Do you have a quote to confirm that? Because it's been argued back and forth whether they can. I'm relatively certain that becoming a savant changes your spiritual dna and this *may* not be possible with a mistborn's sdna. The strongest piece of evidence for that isn't the MAG (as that isn't correct in everything) but that the lord Ruler being described as "near-savant". I was under the impression that we never got any confirmation either way on this point. (we discussed this and similar issues a bit here: http://www.crafty-games.com/forum/index.php?topic=7467.0 )

Theory 1: It wasn't going to be terribly hard for what was left of preservation to get her too, honestly I don't think that one even needs knowledge of the future. Theory 2: Well, yeah, no reason for preservation to want him dead. But, keep in mind that this was a situation with world changing consequences, if there was just a "high chance" of Elend surviving preservation would presumably have done it anyway (this may actually be the case anyway). Can we please note here that preservation, while better at seeing the future than ruin is still far from perfect from it. Preservation didn't know that Vin would release the power anyway or he never would have harmed Elend. If he knew it would make no difference where would be the point? 3/4 is where stuff gets more contentious. It is possible that lerasium somehow helps you cheat death, your argument is helped by lerasium having physical/enhancement effects. However the lerasium itself evidently didn't heal him and without the subconcious burning of pewter helping him heal after that point I don't see anything to indicate that the lerasium would have kept him alive. In regards from that viewpoint to preservation *knowing* he would live, preservation would have known that Vin had pewter there. I view it more that lerasium helped him survive *by* granting him allomancy.

Agreed Shardlet. At least in this situation I really don't think it would make any difference. A point to note though is that mistings and mistborn may be different in whether or not they can become savant which is still unconfirmed.

Mine is an abbreviation of the full one I sometimes use "lord Claincy Ffnord" Truth is that "I am lord Claincy Ffnord" is an anagram of my full name. A couple of friends were playing around with the letters in peoples names and I liked this so I kept it and turned it into my standard username (Including Claincy sometimes breaks the character limit on usernames, hence the abbreviation.) End result is a lot of people online or sometimes even in person calling me "Claincy" *shrug* it works fine for me =) (The other bonus is that no-one ever has this name already, so I always get the name I want)

Oh well, but hey! While it's unconfirmed we can still theorize about it however we want!

I got the interaction between bubble overlap/standard bubble in a bubble. I was referring more to one bubble extending out past the other as we were discussing in Kurk's thread (http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/3925-time-bubble-interaction-and-subjective-burn-rates/) I don't see the subjective burn rates resulting in varying bubble size as being answered by those questions.

Thanks for that Shardlet! Particularly interesting about the bubbles and the spikes. I get the feeling he would RAFO a direct question regarding concentric bubbles.