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God metals are already investiture turned physical. I can't wrap my head around them becoming more invested than already BEING investiture. The honorblades are not alive like spren blades which have 'extra' investiture attached spiritually that is the sprens soul. Obviously the Honorblades are not just blades made of Tanavastium as that wouldn't explain how they give different surges but I dont know that would exclude them from being used as a metalmind. Like I stated above, and Atium metalmind is literally made from investiture, so it should already be difficult to store in it, but not impossible. I dont see why an Honorblade would be any different unless Tanavast specifically restricted that with the Honorblades.

Love this theory. My only issue with it is that Heralds should take their swords with them when they go to Braize.

Yes it is but none of that is Shallans fault. Even remotely. Yes the emotional attachment is difficult and i dont mean to dimish it, im only saying that so far the only thing we have seen is a completely oblivious and innocent shallan kill her mother completely on accident. I dont mean to say a child should be able to logically look at their situation and know they are not at fault. Just that shallan seems to accept at this point as a young adult that she is not at fault for killing mom / dad, yet still believes herself to be untrustworthy and destructive ('if only he knew the real me'). That personal narrative seems to indicate there are events we dont know about that shallan was an active participant in, rather than an innocent child swept into tragedy.

Off the top of my head, it has been said that the other radiant spren do not trust the cryptics. So far we havent really seen anything to explain why. If pattern has been lying to shallan because the cryptics are working for chana / caused the desolation, that would explain it. I dont think the cryptics are betraying humanity but sanderson pays off on small comments like that all the time. Combine that with shallan thinking she is a terrible person, when she hasnt done anything wrong from what we have seen. Killing her father could definitely be argued as self defense and her mother was undoubtedly self defense. If pattern has been lying my guess is he wants to protect shallan, he thinks this truth can remain a lie (him being in the box instead of a seon). If she was working with her mom and helped her come back, thus causing the desolation, that would explain her terrible perception of herself more, even if she didnt understand what her mother was doing since she was a child.

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I didnt mention this but I believe Odium is Invested in Roshar at this point (i think there is a wob). Even if he is released he can't just leave without injuring himself. Rayse knew this and thats why he was talking about the war of the gods. Instead of going around as a free shard to shatter the others, he will be more of a general presiding over his galactic army. Once the army has conquered the physical location, they will bring Odium with them spiritually, growing his influence without him ever needing to 'leave' Roshar.

Not disagreeing at all, just want to point out that Rayse is lying here. Yes, he wants to get out of the Rosharan system - but not before killing Cultivation and the remaining splinters of Honor (the stormfather for example). Dalinar asks Rayse what he will do if released and he responds that his transformation of the realm (Roshar) will be substantial. One of the restrictions that Honor placed on Odium is that the shard is not able to directly interact with as many people as Rayse would like MB era 1 spoilers: If Odium was not restricted by Honor he would almost certainly smite a lot of people. He also mentions to Dalinar that there is a 'war of the gods' coming and he needs soldiers - hence the myth of the Tranquiline Halls. He is not simply looking to leave Roshar. Honor is the only reason that 10% survived each time. Odium is there to wipe out their Gods and enslave the people for a cosmere wide war of the gods.

Have you read the SA5 sample chapters?

He also has his live spren blade, doesnt necessarily have to be his Honorblade. Im sure there is a description that will confirm either way, but off the top of my head I am not sure.

I believe Nale only got his after his chat with Gavilar.

I thought this was confirmed?

Agreed. A fullborn is the most OP individual in the cosmere. In a one on one / hand to hand situation, the fullborn wins every time in my opinion. However, Alder has a good point. Stormlight Spoilers:

The blessings so far seem to match up pretty well, though i suppose this is possible. They could also make a memory fabrial for the heralds. Hoid is only using breaths because the nature of breath fits his need, I imagine storing memories to prevent / help insanity would also be possible. Agreed this is not going to be the fix, but would be the way to mitigate symptoms moving forward once the bulk of their madness is dealt with. I do wonder how Brandon is going to fix them. It would be pretty hard to have Taln as a main POV character with his current level of insanity.

Hello everyone. While browsing the coppermind, I noticed on the copper page, that type of blessing provides Kandra with resistance to madness. This got me thinking, shouldn't there be a way for Navani to create an anti-madness fabrial using copper and intelligencespren or mindspren or something similar? We have seen that the metals effect in fabrials coincides with their Metallic arts effects. Thoughts?

While I agree that she is, I don't agree that this would have any effect. Shallan has been effected because all of these aspects of Roshar are interested in her because her mom is a herald (skybreakers, two spren, potentially an unmade) but I dont think she intrinsically gained / lost anything from a herald mom. Like she was biologically a normal Rosharan human at birth.

Some relevant wobs on the matter attached. They don't shed too much light but I found them interesting. Personally I think Hoid is collecting all of the magic systems as a way of Connecting himself to all the shards (or as many as he can), and once he has done that he will move on to phase 2. What that phase is I can only guess but in my head he is either going to use his Connection to try and reform all of the shads (who knows if that is the same as Adonalsium) for himself and / or use his Connection to them to splinter the shards and 'complete' the shattering of Adonalsium.

Towerlight / Warlight are not full combinations, they are Harmony-like combinations. I think that points more towards needing a dawnshard to actually fully merge the different intents. The rhythm of a shard should be independent of the vessel. I dont know if we have confirmation either way but it doesnt make sense to me that a pure tone could be changed. Thats the rhythm of that investiture, not much for a vessel to interpret imo.

Ok this is a crazy theory, bear with me. Since the spiritual realm is time and space all compounded at once, and we have seen that Shallan is both being pointed to find BAM as well as drawing better potential versions of people, is it possible that the version of BAM that is extracted is not the one that was put in? Isnt it possible that Shallan is able to bring a previous version of BAM from the spiritual realm, like i dont know, before she was unmade? This is crazy I know and Im sure @alder24 will gracefully destroy it but it was an interesting thought.

With the addition of this wob: Questioner With the incredible ability Bondsmiths have to reassemble things, would they theoretically be able to reassemble Adonalsium himself out of the Shards if they were detached from their hosts? Brandon Sanderson This is kind of a chicken-and-the-egg question. Would they be able to reassemble Adonalsium? Can you use Adonalsium's own power to reassemble Adonalsium? Can someone externally do it? I'm gonna give you a RAFO on that right now, but I'm gonna warn you this idea of using something to reassemble itself is more tricky than you might assume, all right? C2E2 2024 (April 26, 2024) I would dare to say this isn't entirely Sazed's fault. I think this wob is implying that in the same way you need an external power to split the intents of a shard, you also need an external power to combine intents. That external power of course being the dawnshards. I think Brandon is slightly telling us here that it isn't as simple as combining them in the right way (surprise surprise). Also, i created a very similar thread if you would like to check out the replies. NOTE: FULL COSMERE SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD https://www.17thshard.com/forums/topic/194162-tones-and-harmony/

On the contrary, she seems to have locked down Taldain because they were too advanced and would soon be expanding to other systems. This is why Khriss is unable to go home.

I would say Whimsy is the opposite of Honor if it has an opposite.

Could this be Shardic interference? I'd be willing to bet that Cultivation had something to do with this. I think the perfect gemstone is what would have immediately caused the wide-reaching effects, and being in the SR is why no one has found / released her in all this time. They are not the same but the Thrill stopped effecting the Alethi soldiers as it was put into the gemstone, not when it was shipped far away. How would she not know? She should remember when Odium first arrived on Roshar - fighting with the humans against the singers. I think this hatred of humans is specifically stemming from her Connection to all the singers of the past. Since she is 'too little' she lost a large part of her original Identity by bonding so many people. Personally I think that both Sja-anat and BAM will be thrilled with their new vessel. They are both Odius creatures at heart - their issues were with Rayse. Tarvanagian is seeming like a much more capable Odium. I bet you that Shallan draws BAM from her imprisonment in a very similar way to her drawing Pattern into reality in WOK. It will likely need to be a drawing on a scale we haven't seen before (in terms of grandeur). I think this is probably part of the reason, but both of Shallans are cryptics. She hasn't gained access to more than 2 surges with her bonds. I bet it has something to do with not warping the soul too much. Having a full on nahel bond is a lot of change to a soul, I imagine having 2 high level bonds could have some weird effects (see Shallan able to draw upon Fortune when she draws).

Dang these are all really good! I especially like Pity, Insanity, and Control. Fantastic.

This is much closer to what I meant, thank you. Always another WOB, indeed. I didn't know this either. ROW Spoilers