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I disagree. It is told to us that a Dawnshard was involved in the destruction of Ashyn. Ishar on his own is not powerful enough to destroy Roshar.

per the wobs provided, I think this would work. it would be a lot of setup but it seems totally plausible to me. Taking this to the extreme, if you simply tied 10 ropes together at the ends, awaken them as one rope, and visualize unwrapping themselves as part of the command, you could have 10 awakened objects for the cost of one (even if you unwrap them yourself). Or, to an even more extreme, if you had a cloth like silk with extremely strong single strands, could you have it split itself into its individual strands and have hundreds of individual objects? I think the only limiter there is the command and with someone like Vasher I dont think that would be an issue. example: 'split into equal parts and grab things'

Then could a Radiant heal the holes in their spiritweb from hemalurgic spikes? I feel like stormlight healing and feruchemical gold healing are the same basic healing mechanism, which I don't think heals hemalurgic holes. There is probably a wob on the matter

Thank you for finding the quote! Now that I see the text again, I'm not sure this is conclusive on what is happening here. It seems like what this could be saying is that the motions before he cut it COULD be dismissed as the wind (but not to Kaladin), and that the shifting in the breeze was actual shifting in the breeze. This is indicated by the fact that anyone else would believe the entire thing was the wind. A piece of cloth that vaguely resembled a person came at him, was quickly cut in two, and then was shifting in the breeze. This doesn't seem to indicate to me that the cloth was still wriggling after being cut. I think, especially because he notes how weird the first part is, that the cloth is not moving on its own after he cuts it. Having been on Roshar in the past and having been there a good bit now already, I think its safe to assume Vasher knows what would happen to his breath when a shardblade cuts the cloth. Since Vasher is on Roshar for the free investiture it seems unlikely that he would waste any amount of breath for this interaction with Kaladin (assuming that cutting it degrades or removes part of the breath). I think there might be a power gap here if the cloth is still trying to enact its command. Does that mean that, with the right type of cloth, Vasher's awakened cloth 'soldiers' basically just become two smaller 'soldiers' when cut? Its kind of like a hydra, growing more heads the more you cut. I'm still not sold either way. Since you mentioned that shardblades have to vaporize SOME material to do what they do, it occurred to me that healing shardblade wounds as a Radiant might not be an infinitely repeatable process. What I mean is the stormlight can repair your soul, but that part that was vaporized cant be regained. I dont know how many times it would take but I think you could degrade someones soul a LOT doing this. I imagine it would happen pretty quickly, actually.

Is this wriggling a death throe or the cloth trying to continue its command? I don't remember this quote exactly.... We could say 10 breaths and its split into 5 / 5 or 4.5 / 4.5. I just picked 1 because its easy, not that it would actually only have 1 breath. Does that mean Kaladin lost part of his soul when his arm was cut by a blade? I was under the impression shardblades just cut the soul, they dont actually excise any of it.

That is why i specified 1 breath for the cloth because OB spoilers:

This thread got me thinking about the interaction between shardblades and awakened objects. We know that shardblades cut the soul and not living flesh, and we know that breath create an artificial soul for the object. If a shardblade cuts a piece of awakened cloth, what happens? I can forsee a LOT of possibilities, some more likely than others. For the sake of argument the cloth was awakened with 1 breath. cloth is not cut, just like a person, and the breath connection is severed breath is recoverable because shardblades dont destroy investiture breath is not recoverable because the connection to the awakener has been severed (breath without permission?) cloth is cut into two pieces with half a breath in each follows the command just as two pieces breaks command because identity of cloth is now different cloths 'soul' is cut, so half of the cloth cant act on the command, but the breath stays and it tries its best to complete the command What do you all think? Given the scene we have from vasher using awakening when training kaladin, I think its possible to see this interaction, and potentially even likely.

Im not sure what of this is spoilers so im going to tag it to be safe

I would love this, however Brandon has been pretty strict about Ado details being delayed for Dragonsteel. Perhaps this is a little teaser for that, but I don't think he will break that rule. I hope he does though haha

EXCUSE ME SIRE WHAT which god could this be?? Of the dead ones we know about currently, I think Ambition is the most likely to cause issues in Shadesmar, and it would be really cool to see more on that shard (like other than on threnody). It could be a misdirect, but the fact that it says god singular leads me to believe it is not referencing the Dor. In addition I think Brandon would wait for the Elantris sequels to change stuff with the Dor. It could be one of the shards we haven't seen yet, but that would be really sad for me - if the last two shards we've seen are already shattered (Virtuosity + this one). Im struggling to think of any other dead shard could reasonably have an effect on this story, and im coming up short. Thoughts??

No, this was an assumption on my part. I think I presented my line of thinking going the wrong way. my chain of assumptions: Perpendicularity is from the aether presence > Perpendicularity is gone now > Core aether dying caused perp to disappear > ALSO resulted in Aditil's personal aether dying I was not assuming that the worlds aether is dead because Aditils is dead, more that I assume Aditils is dead because the worlds aether was killed. Agreed - though I assumed those events are related. Inhospitable for aetherbound - do you mean that the aethers can no longer survive but their hosts can? Or is Aditil going into danger shes not aware of? These are the same 12 core aethers, no? My understanding of Lumar is that these are the same 12 core aethers, but they are unconnected to the hive mind. Like the pink crystal in Tress is the same as TwinSoul's pink crystal, just unconnected to Silajana. What I meant by mostly physical: Aethers are a physical thing with a Spiritual component, while Shards are Spiritual things with physical components. If there was a venn diagram of physical vs spiritual investiture aethers would be on the physical side and shards on the spiritual, but theres obviously going to be some overlap there. We have been told that physically in the spiritual realm all of the shards are pushing up against each other, so im not sure how the aethers could have their own section of that. What I imagined with them up against each other is like if you put water balloons into a bucket. They fill every available spiritual location, but are still seperate. (Now that I think about it Aethers dont have to be Spiritual at all. Their distance connection could easily be explained as a cognitive Connection instead of Spiritual. I think they are spiritual in some aspects but I realized they dont have to be. ) Right, but those effects are spiritual effects bleeding through to the physical. Threnody in particular is a spiritual disease / corruption that has a physical representation (shades), but still represents a spiritual phenomenon. Sel is slightly different but is still not a physical thing. Its a cognitive event that has effects on the physical. In contrast, the Aethers seem to be physical events that have spiritual effects. I wouldn't say that a splintering is actually killing the Shard. The vessel, absolutely, but the Shard itself cannot actually be destroyed. Yes, I know, Investiture cannot be created or destroyed, but if we look past the pedanticness, things can absolutely be destroyed. Yes, there is still a spiritual imprint of Teft, but by my definition Teft was destroyed. Especially since there is a wob (that i cant find) that states that once someone's soul has reached the beyond they cannot ever be brought back from that. Which is pretty definitively destroying Teft. The energy that made up Teft is still there but that isn't Teft any more than the Stormlight in a gem is Teft. Honor is dead - completely splintered. However, Stormlight still powers Surgebinding. This is what I was getting at with shards dying not removing the magic system. In addition, that Stormlight is still restricted by Honor's intent - even though the Shard is 'dead'. My assumption with Aditil is that her aether died because the worlds aether died, not that she made a personal choice that resulted in the death. If it was her decision that resulted in its death, then yes, it is basically the same thing as the Radiant bond - loss of powers. However if her aether died because her worlds aether died, then that absolutely points to the Aethers being much less powerful than a Shard. Honors death did not break the Radiants bonds - they had to choose that themselves. I am also very interested in what happens with a dead Aether. Would it look for a new hive mind? Or would killing Silajana kill the entire aether? Its interesting that the Shards are referred to in their 'formal' name (Endowment, Honor, Odium, etc) vs their personal name (Edgli, Tanavast, Rayse) while the Aethers are almost exclusively referred to in their personal name (Silajana). Im not sure what that means but its interesting.

Hello friends WARNING: FULL COSMERE SPOILERS AHEAD Following the reading of the newest secret project, there's one question that (currently) is the most exciting to me personally. There USED to be a perpendicularity on Dhatri. This has so many implications. I'm just going to go through my thought process, please tell me where your opinion differs or alternative theories. The first question here is, does that mean a shard was in residence on Dhatri? I think not. I think this is evidence that a significant aether presence can create a perpendicularity just like any other massive amount of pooled investiture, and that a shard was not in residence here. If we follow that assumption, the next logical assumption is that the aether is dead - especially since we see that Aditil's aether is dead. I think this is implying that the aether was eradicated on Dhatri, and that it happened fairly recently (since it is clear Aditil's aether was not always dead). This is huge to me. In my head, this is definitive proof that the aethers are not anywhere close to as powerful as even one shard. A vessel can be killed, and a shard splintered, but that does not completely negate the magic system as the Dhatri scenario is presenting. A shard could never be fully destroyed like this, and its quite shocking that it can happen to the aether if all of my assumptions are correct. This would indicate that the aethers are mostly physical while shards are mostly spiritual. What I mean by that is shards cannot ever be truly destroyed because they exist in the spiritual realm, where time and space are one. However, for the aether to be destroyed they must persist as a physical thing, rather than a physical manifestation of something spiritual (like god metals). Thoughts?

Hi All. The stream this Friday - I seem to remember him mentioning that it would be full spoilers, but that was not mentioned in the weekly update yesterday. Does anyone know for sure if its full spoilers or just the Backerkit livestream?

what did you do with the real alder?

In the reading, Brandon emphasized when he said that they were 'like bracers' which is how metalminds are described. What if it is storing part of her Identity to prevent her from transforming?

I interpreted it as Rosharans manufacturing other vessels for stormlight other than cut gems.

You might be the person he mentioned as predicting the book correctly! This is wild. So many things. My brain is overwhelmed but just off the top of my head, in no particular order (SP5 reading, MBE 2): I said I didnt want Sixth of the Dusk sequel but I was wrong. This is exactly what I wanted. When he said 'High Cosmere Connectivity' he wasn't kidding...

@Lego Mistborn jk....im sure it will be out at some point

Could you link me to that topic by chance? I recently read Yumi and this line stood out to me as well. I agree its most likely Ishars experiements, but i feel like there is going to be more to that situation. What i mean is that i dont think that will be the only time Ishar or someone else does this. What we have right now for that scene seems too small to be mentioned by Hoid some time in the future.

Thank you!

Hi All, Looked around on all the sites and couldnt find any info. Is the title and reading of secret project 5 a stream at 6 MDT today like the spoiler stream will be tomorrow?

An interesting thought. I would think that the iron in your bloodstream would be distinct (either spiritually or chemically or both) from the iron you ingest for allomancy. Kelsier mentioned to Vin that if she did not allomantically burn her metals before going to bed that they would be biologically burned (by the stomach) and result in metals sickness. I think thats an indication that you would not get iron anemia as the aluminum would not burn off the biological iron in your bloodstream, only what is in your stomach for allomantic burning. I know there is the possibility of burning metals that arent in your stomach, but that seems like you need to specifically decide to do that. There could also be something to Scadrians having more metals in their bloodstream than other worlds (residual effects of ash changes), and combined with investiture generally resisting sickness, I dont think iron anemia would be an issue.

I hadn't considered this. I dont know why but it seems much darker than the other options. Still the same result, but the 'slowly shape them' sent shudders down my spine.