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This kind of thing is super interesting. He said vessel in his language (im not sure what language it is), and it was translated to ship. Which is only incorrect due to cosmere context. Fascinating.

I hadn't seen this theory before, and it seems to make a lot of sense to me. Personally, I hope that it is not the vessel and shard simply because it would be an awesome twist for SF or Cultivation to have been involved.

I dont think so. It would be weird to me if Hoid didnt know that the mists were Preservation. I personally think this is referring to a different shard. Does it have to be? I agree it is really weird for this to be Preservation, Hoid absolutely should have known that.

Wow wow wow wow wow. Stormfaker theory completely dead. I am sad to see it pass away but very excited to actually get some more lore from the stormather. The nightwatcher came from the Night. Makes sense. The stormfather came from the wind. So how is the wind a separate being? The sibling was created by the stone....very interesting. Shallan is about to lose whatever they are going to try. I am certain that Mraize is one step ahead of her. What is the stormfather and tanavasts shame??? What did they do? Why doesnt stormfather want Dalinar to ascend? That seems very suspicious. Tanavasts plan is working is it.......color me skeptical. I need the nightwatcher to visit the sibling. That was so sad. Poor baby. I am very intrigued by Jasnahs observation that the timeline is wrong. Not sure where that leads though. I am so sad for sigzil.

This seems more consistent to me honestly. All other innate investiture we have seen is SR. Scadrians that are born mistings / mistborn have a bit of extra preservation on their soul, not physically. Breaths are associated with your Identity which doesnt make sense to me if they are PR as identity resides in your spiritweb. 5th heightening gives you agelessness which also doesnt make a lot of sense to me if breaths are PR. You would need something on your spirit to prevent it from aging, or you end up like Rashek. Awakeners are quite literally giving souls to the items they awaken, which only really works if they are SR. This explains why you cannot reclaim breath from Lifeless. If you were attaching it physically there should be no problem taking them back. However attaching them to the echo of a spirit web would definitely explain why it becomes contaminated with other Identity and cannot be reclaimed.

You can definitely steal regular breaths with a nicrosil spike. This WOB is newer than the one you posted so I think Brandon has decided this is possible.

Excellent source, I hadnt seen any of this. Time to go down the rabbit hole, thank you! The link for those curious: https://app.demiplane.com/nexus/cosmererpg

We have seen Jasnah do this several times, I would be willing to bet it is their resonance.

I have long believed this to be possible though I will say it seems unlikely. We would need a good bit of setup to make this work I think.

Im not going to get into wether one thing is more important than his sons or not. Thats a personal decision. However, either way, Adolin is right to feel neglected. There are other people in the military in these books that do not neglect their families because of duty. That was Dalinars choice. Again, I wont get into wether that was the right choice or not, but as his son, Adolin has every right to be upset about that. This should not be his responsibility, he didnt kill his mother. In addition, he has already done so. By keeping a smile on his face and not bringing this up for years was extending an olive branch. He did not kick Dalinar when he was down, he helped his father get back on his feet. Now his father is back on his feet and is still choosing other things over Adolin (and Renarin), regardless of the importance of those things. In the recent chapters, Adolin chose to leave instead of forcing the conversation, that is true. But Adolin is the son, and Dalinar the ethics-spouting father. The responsibility to fix this falls on Dalinar. IMO Adolin has been more than patient enough with his father. Kaladin was enslaved, starting a new radiant order, as well as in the military and chose not to neglect his family. When Kaladin is HighMarshall we hear about how stressed he is trying to balance all of his responsibilities because to him keeping that connection that he has made is just as important as any other duty. Shallan was fighting off-world spies and starting a new radiant order. Either of them could have made the same excuses as Dalinar, but they didnt. It may seem to Dalinar and people here that he didn't really have a choice when its between making up with his son and saving the world. But I think Kaladin and Shallan have proven that false. That is not an either or situation, thats just how it feels to Dalinar. This has been stewing for years - not weeks or months. Even before Adolin learned about Evi's cause of death, he was still upset with his father for his neglect and alcoholism. There has absolutely been time in all these years to work on this problem. Dalinar chose not to.

Perhaps it is just the Windrunner in me but I don't think there is any justification for the deaths of innocent people.

The thread was that Dalinar did nothing wrong. Dalinar certainly has done some things wrong - including his treatment of his children. Especially as it relates to this section:

I disagree on this. Dalinar recognizes what he did wrong, and he is sorry for it. However, he has made no attempt to atone for his mistakes. Especially when concerning Adolin / Renarin. When Adolin was a boy, Dalinar wasn't around because the war was more important and he couldn't be bothered. There were more important things than his family. When Evi died, Dalinar wasn't around because the booze and hiding his pain was more important and he couldn't be bothered. There were more important things that his sons. When Gavilar died, Dalinar wasn't around because retribution was more important and he couldn't be bothered. There were more important things than his sons. Adolin had to force himself into Dalinars life through his skill with a sword. This is evidenced by the fact that Dalinar and Renarin are still basically strangers. Only when Renarin got fancy enlightened powers did Dalinar pay any attention. In Oathbringer when Adolin learns about his mother, Dalinar is preventing the world from ending. The war was more important and he couldn't be bothered. There were more important things than his sons. In ROW, Dalinar was making a deal with a God, and he couldn't be bothered. There were more important things than his sons. And now, once again, Dalinar needs to get ready for his contest with a God, and can't be bothered. There are more important things than his sons. Disregarding the thrill, the murders / genocide, and the alcohol, Dalinar consistently chooses to neglect his family. We have seen Kaladin creating a family with Bridge 4, that he makes sure he can spend time with. He also spends a lot of time talking to his mother and father - all while saving the world. Shallan creates a family with her Lightweavers, and makes sure she spends time with them, all while saving the world. Each of these characters has severe mental trauma / issues, so that doesn't come up in this imo. Adolin and Renarin should be the most important people in the world to Dalinar, and he treats them worse than his bodyguard. I don't blame Adolin for being furious. I dont think it is healthy for him to carry that anger, but its completely justified. And honestly, Dalinar has a LOT of apologizing to do as well as a change in his priorities / actions.

This was Rayse's choice. Taravangian would be smart to fight Dalinar in a way he was not prepped for.

HI all, I have a wild prediction that I wanted to get out there. There is no evidence for this and wont be proven right or wrong for some time. At FanX recently, Brandon was talking about his writing process. In that, he mentioned that there is a character in stormlight 5 who makes a decision. In the outline that has existed for years and years, this character makes that decision. However, when he actually went to write that section, he had grown attached to the character, and couldn't write them making the original decision. So he changed it because he felt the new decision fit the character better. He said we would know when we got to that part. Heres my prediction: This is about Adolin becoming Odiums champion. We know that Adolin originally was not going to be a main character (or character at all, either way tho). We also know that Brandon loves Adolin, because of course he does. The most recent chapters have been starting to point Adolin towards a path of becoming Odiums champion. I think that Adolin was originally going to become the Champion, but when Brandon got to that point, he couldn't kill off our beloved (at least in that way). I know we wont know for a while but wanted to make this early in case im right! If you all have your own guesses please share!

It could also be referencing how Rayse killed the other shards. I think both are equally likely.

This is definitely whats going to happen. Theres no way they have someone mention that the tower is safe 3 chapters in a row if the tower certainly isn't safe.

In the last chapters we learned it was Frost's sister

Im not entirely caught up, but I seem to remember that the RPG states you must be the same bond level with both spren to get that levels advantage - as in both level 3 to get blade, which implies there are two distinct levels.

So i would tend to agree with this. That there wasn't enough time to mobile all of those people. However, i've been thinking about this, and its certainly possible that T set this up. When Sazed Ascended he used the power to move the planets orbit, rearranged the surface of the planet, created full species and modified others. In comparison to that, getting an invasion force to several cities in 1 day seems like barely an inconvenience. Lets walk through the steps to make that happen. -assume there are already groups of fused around Roshar (we know this is true) -send voidspren to carry messages to those fused on where to move and when -dont even need this step, he can slow time to nothing and have a personal conversation with each fused or each fused leader -manifest more raysium for said fight (if needed) -create perpendicularities at those locations -you are a shard so those perpendicularities can act like oathgates -congrats your invasion force is now ready to invade Now, if T could do this, why didnt he just smite all those who opposed him or something else to immediately win? He is still restricted on what and who he can influence. However, all of the Fused are fully his. He should have no trouble teleporting them anywhere he needs them, especially during his Ascension. I dont know if we will ever know wether this plan was Rayse or Taravangian, but it is certainly within T's Ascension power to make this happen.

Not to mention, I dont know how any Order other than Lightweavers could make this ok within their oaths. Killing the oathgate spren is like killing a river because your enemy sails on it. These immortal creatures have devoted their entires existence (thus far), to service. It would be a terrible thing to kill them.

I love this theory. I had never considered that. If you'll allow me my own crazy addition to this theory - we don't know where Taln's blade is still.... With Kaladin heading to Shinovar, and the connection to stonewards that you have pointed out, is it possible the rock is actually Talns Honorblade? We know Honorblades are somewhat sentient - perhaps this is Brandon expanding on their lore. As to who put it there - I can only really think of Hoid.

ah jeez, i hadn't even thought about that. this might be a hint brandon added for when white sand prose is released I think I agree with you on this, however I would be very interested to know the limits of this. Purely hypothetical, but lets say Hoid awakened Nightblood. Would he be locked up everytime Nightblood destroys? Or would Nightblood be considered sentient enough that he would be a separate entity? If so, where is that line? To my understanding, all awakening is giving real life. Even a piece of cloth awakened with 1 breath is actually alive. It isn't imitating life, it is alive. Lifeless breaths cannot be reclaimed, indicating that there is a new identity involved - which is not true of the cloth. If Hoid awakens a lifeless, could that lifeless cause harm? I know that Hoid could not command it to cause harm, but he could grant the control to someone who isnt restricted, or give it a vague command that ends up hurting someone. For instance, 'bring me 10 gold coins' could lead the lifeless to beat and rob someone of their coins. Im kind of getting sidetracked here, but now that im thinking about it, where are the other limits? Can Hoid (after tress) simply not draw aons that could potentially hurt someone? If he was going to push on someones belt buckle, and that push would move the buckle through the wall, killing someone behind the wall, would he be able to do the push and then be frozen? Or would the Dawnshard know that the action he is performing would result in harm and prevent the push at all? I know we probably dont have answers for this but it got me thinking.

I think this is the most likely scenario, but I agree with @listerfeend that it doesn't feel exactly right. Part of what makes it not feel right is that Hoid a) should not need awakened clothes to protect himself b) wont the dawnshard effects stop this? it seems pretty impossible that he could awaken his clothes to 'protect' without hurting the attacker. b2) or is this a potential workaround to his restrictions? if he awakens a rope to 'grab things' and it strangles someone, technically he did not cause that harm, nor did he command it to do that harm. it interpreted his command to harm someone.