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Hi All, Fair warning: full cosmere spoilers ahead. So we have seen several types of awakened constructs. What I mean by that specifically for this post are Lifeless, and the metal men we see in Tress. I would like to propose an alternative approach. If you took all of the organs of a dead person - heart, lungs, brain, everything. Could you awaken them individually to perform their biological function (ie: pump blood) and create a cosmere Frankenstein? More specifically: you make some form of artificial body. Can be made out of whatever. Then you awaken the organs individually to perform their function, and surgically add them to the artificial body where they should be. Once you got to the brain you could command it to 'think as if a person" or something similar. Do you all think you could make a Frankenstein this way? I dont see why not. I see this as distinct from a Lifeless, because thats more of an awakening controlling the body rather than a body made from awakening. I imagine the metal men are very similar to this, but entirely of metal. They would have gears and such inside them with an awakened metalmind for thought processing or even basic commands and no higher level thinking (like Lifeless). In addition, this could be used for organ transplants. When someone dies, awaken their dead heart to function like a normal heart and implant it, without having to worry about time or compatability. Thoughts? edit: partial credit to @listerfeend for this idea. I know that lifeless are far more efficient and useful, the point of this thought experiment is to think about a way to create an artificial human. Not a lifeless that follows a command and cant really think very much (still unclear).

I dont think thats true. They knew they would be hurt but deadeyes did not exist before BAMs capture. It is stated multiple times that the spren did not know they would become deadeyes. In that state they are basically dead. They cant really speak or interact at all unless as a shardblade - and our Radiants have showed us that they are screaming in agony constsntly. They are aware of their existence but cannot actively participate in it. A large portion of the Honorspren population was killed. Why would a proud species of spren collectively choose to become something different? That doesnt make sense to me. They thought they would be hurt, probably similar to how Notum was hurt, but they would still be Honorspren.

This is certainly an interesting take. If he wins, Odium claims a part of Roshar, something he has not been able to do for THOUSANDS of years. On his timeline, this is definitely a win. He will be able to influence to a much greater effect and will be able to actually build a foundation, an advantage that the Radiants have needed. The Fused show up with their weapons but thats about it. If he wins, they can set up shop, maybe even convert local peoples to truly be followers of Odium. Dalinar has done his best, but he has been up against a shard of God. Odium has won more in these 4 books than he was ever able to before.

I have wanted Vasher to go off for YEARS. If he and Nightblood even have a conversation in SA 5 I can die a happy man.

To me what Sja-Anat is doing is only Enlightening from a certain POV. She is literally unmaking these spren as Odium did to the 9 big unmade. They are being infused with Odiums investiture and it fundamentally changes who they are. From that WOB, I would say that Sja-Anat is more making a new spren from the corpse of the old, rather than our hope of restoring Maya and others to the spren they were before.

Oooo I like this idea! To expand on it, I thought of an easy way to do this. Modify the original Koloss race to produce faster than they already do, and neglect the strength part as it isn't really important for this, but keep the trait that they can eat anything. Then you set up a koloss farm on nalthis or close enough to qualify the koloss for breath. The only trouble I see here is the method of convincing them to give up their breath. This is so so so unethical but as a thought, you could offer them a tasty food instead of the dirt they were raised on in exchange for saying a simple phrase. I think the awakened AI to generate new spirit webs and then take their breath and recycle them is a good idea, but I feel you might end up with a situation where it starts pulling existing peoples spiritwebs, rewriting those, and then giving you their breath. I also think that at a certain point Endowment would certainly get involved as creating a farm to harvest breath inherently goes against her Intent.

Yes. Technically all Feruchemy is storing investiture . But more seriously I don't think this breaks anything to have nicrosil store the ability to use an invested art as well as fuel for that invested art as well. I think there are other uses for Chromium, Aluminum and Duralumin that would make the 'dual' nature of nicrosil not an inconsistency Here is just an example to demonstrate how I (think) that it works. Lets say you have a steel misting that can also store in a nicrosil metalmind. That person could burn steel and store the investiture pulled from the SR while they are burning. OR they could store their ability to burn steel at all - but not both (same as bendalloy). If they store the investiture they get while burning they could tap that to push on things without needing to burn steel. Im of the belief that if this person had other abilities they could use that stored investiture to ironpull or tinsight or a copper cloud, etc. This does raise an interesting question. If a Mistborn wants to store their abilities in a metalmind, can they store their Mistbornness in one metalmind or would they need 16 metalminds for each ability? Im of the opinion they could store all of them in 1, as that would be one chunk from their spiritweb that says 'im a mistborn' and not 'i have 16 individual abilities'.

Bendalloy can store either food or water so there is a precedent for this. If i really think about it, this sort of makes sense to me. What is the ability to use Allomancy but extra investiture in your spirit? The use of nicrosil as storing investiture would explain both implementations. When you store the ability to do any of the invested arts, you are simply storing a piece of investiture that says you can do so. That isnt really different from storing normal investiture (stormlight, breaths, etc) other than our perception of it.

Thank you both for the extra context. I know Wax wasn't Mistborn until the very end, and that Harmony was giving him some help with the mists. My confusion was coming from saying that Wax was being given Atium, as I think that is distinct from ruin's mist. I dont think we would expect consuming preservations mist to turn you into a mistborn like the godmetal does so im not sure what @hwiles means here. Were they just saying atium to mean ruins mists?

Im going to need a lot more information on this please. So we already have this (in the text) unclearness around wether Wax is Mistborn or not. We know that he is from deduction but it isnt really mentioned in the books explicitly. Now we are adding this atium microdose after the fact as well? Why wasnt any of this mentioned in text - that would have made Era 2 so much cooler.

This is where it gets tricky for me. Brandon wont say for certain wether the Aethers are of Adonalsium or not. However, he has stated on multiple occasions that all investiture is from Adonalsium. He has also stated on multiple occasions that aethers are invested. How does this mean something other than the aethers being of Adonalsium? Seems like if you are NOT asking specifically if aethers are of Ado that he will confirm that they definitely are of Ado since they are investiture and all investiture is of Ado.

I dont think Szeth requires investiture to keep going. As nale says, he wasnt fully dead yet so he isnt technically a cognitive shadow. The shadow that Lift sees is more related to the corruption of his soul than him being a cognitive shadow.

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Agreed he has not seen him in a very long time. To me his certainty with the 'it couldnt' indicates to me that Kaladin died a long time ago. I like to imagine it was peacefully from old age. Kaladin doesnt seem the type to become immortal. The worldhoppers are generally not who you expect them to be (like sigzil)

Dang I hadnt considered that. You're probably right. Sa 5 sample chapter spoilers:

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You could. However, at least some of these spikes would require God metals that are extremely hard to come by. Disregarding the testing and knowledge required (which are also huge roadblocks) you still need the right metal to steal that power. Harmonium is extremely reactive and yields minuscule amounts of God metal. Trellium is very rare and would more than likely require interacting with Autonomy. Raysium is also rare and would require negotiations with Odium or a Fused. Edglium hasnt been seen. Aonium hasnt been seen. Skaium hasnt been seen. Tanavastium only exists as Honorblades. Koravellium hasnt been seen. The other shards we havent even met yet. Personally I would put a Fullborn as the strongest. Compounding is seriously seriously op. Disregarding speed, strength, and all the allomantic abilities, being able to compound Atium would make you nearly invincible on its own. If you combine that with ridiculous speed and strength, weight manipulation, mental capacity heightened, speed bubbles, health, AND emotional manipulation....its not really a contest. Fullborns are way way way too strong. I fully believe Rashek could push / pull a Radiant like a ragdoll without even needing to compound. One smack from Rashek at full compounded strength would easily break shardplate in my opinion (just based off kaladin breaking plate with a couple lashings and his bare feet).

I would tend to agree on all these points, but none of that is actually confirmed. Jezrien could be a different situation because he actually died, he didn't go to Braize. The blade in the safe being Testament does not exclude her mom being Chana. Im not sure the blade being Testament works out since Shallan specifically broke her oaths in her gardens AFTER killing her mother. Testament could not have been trapped in the safe and also appeared to Shallan when she broke her oaths. Personally I am of the opinion we have not seen the final, actual truth regarding the safe. I like the seon theory, but honestly its going to be something we haven't seen yet. Like her father knew all the herald stuff and when he saw Chana get stabbed he quickly was able to siphon her soul into a gemstone or something similar (just an example).

Agreed. At a certain level of detail, Brandon will have to say 'this is the magic part, this is just magic and thats the explanation'

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Hoid wasn't exactly tracking him to my understanding. Aux and Hoid were leveraging the Connection that Nomad and Hoid have from their time together to allow Hoid to speak to him. I don't think Hoid had any idea where Nomad actually was or how to get there. There is a wob that Hoid does not have the ability to skip, this is unique to Nomad. This is why they are trying to catch Nomad. It is mentioned in the book that they can make a spike from Nomad that will point them to whoever had the Dawnshard after Nomad, which we assume is Hoid. The conspiracy is that a reason Hoid had Nomad hold the Dawnshard was to delay the Night Brigade. Hoid will protect the Dawnshard at all costs, even if that means condemning Nomad to a life on the run to protect himself and the Dawnshard. This is why Nomad is so mad at Hoid. Hoid knew when he gave the Dawnshard to Nomad that he would never be safe again - and he did it anyways. Nomad tells us that Hoid explained the danger in taking the Dawnshard but Nomad (and most people) have pointed out that you could never truly impress the gravity of that decision. Therefore Hoid was intentionally misleading to Nomad because he needs him as a meat shield essentially.

My head canon is that he is already taken by Maya. Their bond is clearly unique given her awareness. I think we will see him revive her and become a Radiant with Maya as his spren.

These aren't abandoned buildings, they are one of the most valuable items on the planet. We are told they are literally worth kingdoms. There is no way that hundreds of blades have been lost to the crem. Some of them, absolutely, but there are hundreds and hundreds of blades that are missing. Exactly.

Yes, but are we to assume that thousands of the most valuable object are just lost? Sure some of them are lost but where are the rest? There were more deadeyes at lasting integrity than all of the known blades. Are we to assume all of those are bonded? Where are these shardbearers?

Hello friends, @listerfeend and I were discussing deadblades and noticed some inconsistencies. Dalinar tells us there are somewhere around 130 blades that the Alethi know about. I think we can take this number as mostly accurate given they have warred with pretty much every nation and have an extensive spy network. In Lasting Integrity during Adolin's trial, it is noted that there are far more deadeyes outside the walls than all the known blades on Roshar. In addition Dalinars vision shows hundreds of Radiants abandoning their oaths. This is the first inconsistency. Where are all of these blades? I think the current theory is that the shin have them, and that is a theory I can get on board with but it doesn't explain everything. Second inconsistency is the actual presence of the deadeyes. We know that when a person who has bonded a blade dies, they drop the blade in its physical form, meaning there is not a deadeye spren in the CR - they can only be one or the other. From this you would assume that any deadeyes who are not currently bonded would exist as physical blades somewhere. Its my understanding that a deadeye can only exist in the CR if they are bonded and their person does not currently have them in hand. How then are there permanent deadeye residents of Lasting Integrity? The ones that show up during the trial could be blades bonded to shin soldiers, but there is still an inconsistency here I think. Can you all shed some light on what is happening here?