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Odiums connection to kaladin might not be strong enough without Moash. In mistborn Ruin could speak to crazy people but he needed them to be pierced to controll them properly. We also se a significant difference between kolossos and kandra in their ability to resist the controll. So maybe Kaladin has been using miniscule amounts of odius investiture but his much greater connection to Honor has been protecting him for direct control. Another version could be that Kaladin is using Odius investiture by "binding" it with his own Honor. There's plenty of ways this could work out and Brandon has managed to get this far in his foreshadowing without painting himself into a corner. I do like the idea of Kaladins awesome sauce being his passion and thus his connection to Odium, it rhymes well with my own idea of the SA endgame being ten (?) Pseudo shards made from a combination of the three Rosharan Shards.

Intentional or not, planned or not, clever it stupid. I do not think that the alterning/reading/destruction of the memories stored in breath is counted as harm any more than a similar event done to my computer, it could be a sever loss of work but nothing more.

For the greatest part of RoW u still wanted redemption for Moash but but after reading the full book Moash became cartoonish. There is no surprise in a Moash redemption, it's almost to be expected with his " hurr durr I'm evil and kick kittens hurr durr" If he stays evil it isn't a surprise either, Roshar is not a magical place where everyone gets redemption just because. In fact it feels as if the antagonists and villains of the SA has lost their complexity and gone flat after this book. So to answer the question, I now care to little about Moash to want a redemption for him.

(Emphasis mine) This, both the power from the god spren and the fact that they are spren with minds of their own that can help guide the power. This is also part of it, each order do different things differently. I do believe that every order of knights can become more than they ever were due to honors death. And with the help of spren the knights might be able do more things easier than the corresponding honorblade work let allow.

In respons to the op, the book do contain weaknesses and how we value them is different, maybe different each time we read it. I did enjoy RoW, it's up there with WoK for me, on the other hand I found WoR to a dissapointment and OB to be close to a series wrecker. And yes, i managed to put in spoiler boxes that I don't know how to remove on my phone...

I enjoyed RoW way more than OB and WoR, I don't know if I liked it better than WoK. pros: For the first time Shallan didn't contribute negative enjoyment, she could have been dropped entirely and it'd made a better book but at least I wasn't suffering while reading her. Generally the characters made some healthy progression. The book was was not dependent on any significant darkness which was a blessing as Brandon has proven in book 2 and 3 that he is perfectly incapable of writing anything dark at all. Navani's engineering was interesting, if simplistic. The lady of wishes was a interesting antagonist. Cons: How many times can Navani trust the antagonist after getting burned? Just like Dalinars oath is to always take the next step, Navani's trust always stretches to one more time. The military campaign was not interesting. Dalinar should have been doing something else, like looking for Ishar, and Jashna should have spent more of her page time on enforcing her rule. Maybe give some of Dalinars pages to Jashna and have Dalinar be of on a personal mission. The Tower plot dragged at times and Venli had a very weak role in the book. Every single antagonist and complex "evil" character has been either undermined, simplified or made stupid.

Following the skybreakers progression, in spoiler. 2 the foundation of justice is the law. 3 there is justice outside the law. 4 not all law is just (in Szeth's case at least, killing of the ruling class has to be illegal locally) or there is injustices that the law cannot reach. 5 I am the law. There is a great deal of personal touch to the interpretation of the ideals, according the the coppermind a skybreaker at lvl 5 could either ignore the law as written or have to follow every law that had been written and arguably they could be the ones to decide which law is just. The initial reaction is that the oaths progress by reinforcing the primary and secondary attributes Just/Confident and that ones perception is the deciding factor in determining which. The way I see it there's three important points to the fifth oath for Kaladin, his path to where he is now and the duality of perception of his attributes, and the general trend of the oaths thus far. Offhand the longest running problem for Kaladin has been to kill or not to kill. Kaladins progression of oaths has thus far been. "I will protect. I will protect when even when I don't want to. Sometimes I can't protect when I want to. " The most natural to follow that would be "sometimes i shouldn't protect" So the fifth oath should satisfy the question if it is right to kill in order to protect, the " i will not protect" symmetry as well as the duality of protecting/ leading. The only thing I can think of is " I will protect/respect/enable the choice of others" or " I will protect those who (desirable trait/action/allegiance)" The specific wording should be about just as much protecting as leading but is past midnight here so I will leave that for another day.

I mean we could assume his soul is aware to some degree, I do think it applies, but that would be speculation so wild I've long left the source material. Gawx was a pawn and a sacrifice no doubt about it, his situation was way worse than Kaladins but then it was the climatic moment where Lift swore her oath not the general behaviour of a Radiant. Doing a quick read of the passages the situations appears very different but can be read as the same general behaviour. What Adolin did feels more like the unsure fumbeling of someone who does not know what he is doing but knows he wants to do something. I might have to modify statement but I will stand firm that the PoV of both victim, Radiant and perhaps even the observers matter in these things. In the end doesn't the gemstone archive talk about how the edgedancers are to busy relocating the servants and such to attend making their own gemstones. Those servants are very unlikely to be forgotten and ignored, they would at the very least have their own communities full of people who care about each other but the edgedancers took it upon themselves to care where they did not need to.

On Kaladin being ignored/forgotten I think what matters is as much or more the point of view of the receiver than it is from the PoV of the giver. Very few people are ignored or forgotten by every other intelligent being in the world but very many do feel like it at times. If I remember correctly what drew syl was how Kal made his men feel. So Adolin going to comfort Kaladin when he felt ignored and forgotten might very well be oath stuff for Adolin. Or it might not be, one could argue that preexisting friendship or being the heir to the highprince makes it his duty and thus nullifies any good deed. I tend to believe that Adolin chosing to believe Kaladin and support him in those dark moments by being there is prime material for edgedancers but to each his own.

Well I can't think of a reason a normal singer and a normal Truespren would have access to voidlight nor the ability to use it, unless of course it doesn't really matter for surgebinding as a whole which could certainly be true. The way I see it is that bonding a voidspren gave Venli a form of power that was of Odium and bonding Timbre made her a Radiant. Edit: Another thought I had is that it is interesting to compare Timbre and Yunfah from last chapter. No, Syl said. He is angry at your repeated suggestion he bond one of the enemies Yunfah got angry at the very idea to bond "the enemy" while according to this chapter there's at least a whole faction of Willshaper spren willing to bond Listeners.

Changes made by me in bold.

I can see interesting things happening in both relationships. With Venli they explore the new world of Radiance together and with Leshwi they learn from each other and grow together, Brandon could easily make both relationships work. Obviously Leshwi is a no-go if she is a snake aiming at Kaladin, unless there's a redemption in the cards for her. The way I see it Brandon can probably make almost any relationship work. The real question is whether Kaladin will really end up in a relationship, not every character needs to be in a relationship and there is really only one main character left to stay single. (That is main by page time)

Many have touched upon my own thoughts on the matter already but I'll chime in anyway. The third oath so far appears to be about doing things against your personal preference. Both - I will protect those I hate, as long as it is right. And - I won't scream at people when angry, as long as there is no need. Follow the same pattern of, - I will "do a good deed" "even when I don't feel like it" as long as " I know I should". So according to this Lopens oath should be -I will protect those " who I don't want to protect" as long as " I know I should". Or translated - I will protect ugly people as long as Stormblessed would want me to. Following this model you don't have to hate someone or even feel strongly about someone. You could suffer from severe apathy and still get to three oaths as a Windrunner as long as there are situations when you really would rather not protect people and when you get confronted with it you chose to do the right thing. Indeed you wouldn't even need to understand right and wrong as long as there is a moral guide for you to follow.

There's also the fact that bondsmiths don't appear to get any squires so a healthy organization probably has one elder, one acting and one bondsmith-in-training with their own distinct responsibilities. I envision it similar to the Mother-Queen-Lady dynamic of the fae courts in the Dresden files.

The head of the war effort and the king of urithriu, arguably the most accomplished general alive, tells the leader of the Windrunner that he is a liability in battle and therefore not welcome to participate in combat missions. I did not read it as if Kalladin lost his leadership role in the Windrunners outside direkt Combat, indeed if he thought he could handle it kal would probably be welcome to join Dalinar in his role.

For me spoilers don't spoil the book and the sample chapters are from the beginning and thus are mainly setup. Previous books I read the sample chapters and then when the book came I just reread the ones I liked and skipped the ones I didn't like. This way I get the concentrated goodness of Sanderson without interruption for the first part of the book while still having read the rest recently, then on reread whenever that is I will read it from beginning to end But then im the kind of guy who will Google to find out how this or that element of the story turns out when there is something that bothers me, it rarely diminishes my experience unless it turns into disappointment in which case I just drop the story.

In tWoK Shallans story felt to be at ods with the rest of the book, always going from the interesting things happening at the shattered plains in order to watch shallahan do a whole lot of nothing. In WoR I had hoped to get some resolution but instead shallahan occasionally wanders into total asshat territory while never really earning my sympathy nor in my mind her skills. Meanwhile her backstory did not give her anything in my eyes, some moments were beautiful but in the end it failed to impress me (much like Dalinars backstory) and her plot of infiltrating the ghostbloods again gave me nothing. OB was the weakest book so far, perhaps the weakest Sanderson book to date, for me and again instead of having movement in meaningful directions we're just diving in the deep end of Insanity. In tWoK I was disappointed when I turned page to learn that it was a Shallans chapter, in WoR I was saddened to learn it was a shallahan chapter and int OB I was irritated as soon as she got a PoV. I think that to many, the structure of tWoK harmed shallahan in the long run and that if SA had started with WoR it might have been different.

I think I remember that the fused learned to tame the surges later on, basically becoming more and more spren like after each death. It's reasonable to assume that the other enemies were weaker as well but they all kept getting stronger. The Radiant spren are like the children of Honor, and cultivation, and it is logical that they would follow Honors example, in essence trying to grow up and become like dad. Then dad died and a significant reason for his death was his choice to side with humans, after the death of dad the spren stayed with mankind untill they themselves were betrayed. Now a significant amount of time has passed and the spren has a thriving civilization, way more so than they ever had when they were allied to the humans. I doubt that Odium went to shadesmar, turned on the realm-wide loudspeaker and declared his intention to kill every spren there. Most likely Odium and his agents claim to spare those who don't intervene in his grudge with mankind.

I think that these few chapters were not good ones to read one a week, the most exciting thing is basically a bloodless fight that we care very little for and it's given us action fatigue on top of the fact that the main viewpoint character is depressed and focusing on his navel gazing. I mean I get it, Kalladin was deep in an episode during WoR and in OB his arc was basically to fail and be underwhelming. On top of that depression can be one of the most undramatic mental illnesses to read about as it tends to drive people towards nothing as it can feel like there's no point to anything, nothing in life is joyous at best it is tedious. That said I agree that depressed kal is not interesting, the interesting, and important, thing is Kalladin coping with his depression a healthy and fruitful way. This brings me back to my first statement, the first chapters were not good ones to consume in such a controlled way. The upside is that the story is now moving in a way that will force Kalladin to interact with his problems more directly than he has probably done in his entire life. (as a side note Shallans story is also showing tendencies to actually start moving in meaningful ways.) Kalladin will still be depressed and most likely struggle with that for majority of the book at least indirectly, but he will get a goal to devote himself to and while doing that he will hopefully forget at times that he had got to be depressed because he is depressed and start to break the harmful cycle that is his need to save everyone in the whole world.

I don't know if I posted this somewhere before but I think the endgame of SA will be a new status quo with a new host of heralds at the helm. The new heralds will become that with the help of sprenbonds powered by the honorblades and with more Cultivation and some Odium in the mix. Basically ten new superspren will emerge, maybe by "recycling" dead blades and the honorblades and with the gift from sja-anat. The new heralds will be sixt-oath radiants that will temporarily get powers approaching shardic levels. Similar to how Dalinar works but more dynamic. By stealing Odius investure and threatening to steal more the new heralds and cultivation will drive Odium away from Roshar. The new Heralds will together be less powerful that any shard but they will be able to influence any confrontation between shards based on the orders authority. As a trade-off for mixed, shared a weaker power the new heralds will be more free I'm their actions and less changed by its intent. It is possible that full on herald power is only available at the sixth oath and that the sixth oath is temporary and specific " I will lead protect Roshar against odium" and once the specific clause of the oath is fulfilled (Odium leaves) the herald reverts back to a lvl5+ radiant.

Well I think this is the best chapter so far, Kalladin starting to move in meaningful ways and Dalinar being both a good friend and a powerful leader. On Yunfa, that's the name of the spren right(?), I feel Kalladins approach is the right one. Many places today have laws against discrimination that would make it a crime to not hire someone for being parsh for example. Now I do not necessarily feel that it would be right for Rlain to become a Windrunner after this order but it is the right order all the same. I think the best would be for Yunfa to observe Rlain and talk to him and come to the understanding that Rlain is just no Windrunner material but rather something else. " Hey high Marshall I did as you demanded and I can't in good conscienceake the bond with Rlain." Kal might get agry by this, the deadline coinciding with his own making it just one storm after another with drama to follow, or just hear the follow-up that he would be a perfect candidate for whatever order.

Renarins ligthweaving could be more about him than Glys, shallahan needs to paint stuff to make proper illusions and it's a good guess that other truthwatchers has do something similar. Maybe he just don't connect spiritually to paintings and then along comes moash, a person who he knew to a degree and who has deviated from the path he should have taken together with his brothers from bridge four.

Moash tends to be polarizing and then the discussion tends to go toward politics, morals and religion which is even more so. I think Moash actions is perfectly understandable and just as well founded and Kaladins or perhaps even more so and therefore I can actually see an redemption arc for him but it is not one that starts with a 'woe is me for I have suffered' and ends with an ' all is forgiven'. To me killing is killing as long as the intent to kill or seriously harm is there, with the one exception of self defense when you can't take control without excessive force. And in my mind Kaladin killing the parsh is just as evil as anything else in the series he even asks syl why there would be a difference and she can't give him an answer, in fact it is an important part of his character at the moment. Seeing this, redemption for me is not Moash suffering to atone his crimes, as that would just be more suffering, but rather Moash starting to make the right decisions and to strive to become a better person. In a way it is thematically appropriate that redemption is the path of the Radiants.

I redid the quiz with a different mindset and this time I got 81% for egdedancer or elsecaller, corrective value gave me 95% for those and windrunner or truthwatcher. One way to refine the quiz I think is to give us branching options. For example I take the jewelry, but why? or is there scenarios where I wouldn't? And the first oath. in many ways the lines inform each other, the first line is a statement and the second line can be a statement while also defining first line and the last line defines both line one and two while also working as a statement. Life before death, strength before weakness becomes rather sinister without journey before destination. Kaladin or Teft, I think it is, muses on this in the first book where he quotes the oath one line at a time and wonder what they mean and how they doesn't mean anything, 'of course life comes before death'. Maybe you can end the quiz with some obvious questions like what role would you want to fulfill on the battlefield, give them some wheight and make the option to factor them in or not. This works both in world and for us, szeth got to choose his order, sort of, and we all have different views of each order and how we would fit in. In the end I don't know much about quizzes, and we are not aiming for scientific precision so when in doubt just go for whatever options is more fun.

I got 85.7% lightweaver which I'd argue is about as much wrong it gets. However these tests do have a significant margin of error seeing as I don't think I agreed more than 10% with any question.