Quick Ben

I'm not sure how you can say this. If you thought this book was just as good as the other 4 books, good for you, that's your opinion. But everyone comes to there own conclusions, their own opinions on the story being told, and when people don't like the story then that's their opinion and they are entitled to it. So to say their reasons for disliking the book are easily dismissed is a bit much. Would you like if someone said your reasons for something were easily dismissed ? A countdown has nothing to do with pacing. This book is 1300 or so pages long, and could of been condensed into a 350 - 500 page book. Not only is pacing an issue but also filler and fluff. I don't think anyone expected the ending to be happy with roses and flowers. But the ending was lacking, in many areas in my opinion. From the new "unoathed" to Gavinor being 20 years older, Dalinar reasoning for giving up Honour, Kaladin sacrificing himself for the oathpact thats no longer required. I did find the LGBT scenes etc to be shoehorned in, and i would say the same with the trans element. Being perfectly honest, i found as the series progressed from book 1 to 5, that there was an element of forced inclusion That they were just there for the appeasement of a minority of readers, while not making any contribution to the actual story. In the above paragraph we question why a trans person is treated the same as someone with a mental illness. The majority of the characters have a mental disorder rather than an illness which is why they are treated the same. I'm not sure how you can say this. If you thought this book was just as good as the other 4 books, good for you, that's your opinion. But everyone comes to there own conclusions, their own opinions on the story being told, and when people don't like the story then that's their opinion and they are entitled to it. So to say their reasons for disliking the book are easily dismissed is a bit much. Would you like if someone said your reasons for something were easily dismissed ? A countdown has nothing to do with pacing. This book is 1300 or so pages long, and could of been condensed into a 350 - 500 page book. Not only is pacing an issue but also filler and fluff. I don't think anyone expected the ending to be happy with roses and flowers. But the ending was lacking, in many areas in my opinion. From the new "unoathed" to Gavinor being 20 years older, Dalinar reasoning for giving up Honour, Kaladin sacrificing himself for the oathpact thats no longer required. I did find the LGBT scenes etc to be shoehorned in, and i would say the same with the trans element. Being perfectly honest, i found as the series progressed from book 1 to 5, that there was an element of forced inclusion That they were just there for the appeasement of a minority of readers, while not making any contribution to the actual story. In the above paragraph we question why a trans person is treated the same as someone with a mental illness. The majority of the characters have a mental disorder rather than an illness which is why they are treated the same.

Hi All, I just reactivated my account after a number of years having just finished Wind and Truth. I am not sure if anyone else feels the same but this book felt out of sync with the rest of the series for me, i cant put my finger on why specifically but feels like a departure from what came before. Little background on my thoughts on he series prior to this book. The way of kings - 10/10 | Words Of Radiance - 10/10 | Oathbringer - 6/10 | Rhythm of War -6/10 | Wind and Truth - 5/10 Oathbringer - Lower score because imo the book was mainly filler and fluff and could of been condensed into 350-500 pages Rhythm of War - Same critique as above as well as the "nodes" feeling like a 90's video game. Also Navani bonding the Sibling never felt right to be. Wind and Truth. 10 days to the battle of champions, that's the premise at the outset of book 10 days is a short time. 10 days is a long time. But what actually happened in these 10 days ? - Not a lot. Again like the previous 2 books, this book was mainly filler and fluff, it is long for the sake of being long. Summary of feelings on Wind and Truth Oathbringer. Seems to be retconned entirely Rhythm of War. Joining of Odium and Honour kinda makes the 800 pages of finding the "Anti-light" pointless imo Dalinar. A despot who decided he changed / grew then realizes he didn't, then changes at the end ? Who claimed him at the end ? Going forward there will be two Cognitive Shadows of Dalinar ? The intent of shards can't change but his plan as i understand it, is he wants the shard of Honour to change its definition of what Honour means? Is this possible ? Seems like the Adolin segment where he describes how a promise is not an Oath is foreshadowing this change of definition in Honour. Even though a promise and Oath are the same thing. Retribution Doesn't appear to of bonded the shard of Honour fully, as multiple times it is said he had to abide by Oaths still to placate the shard. Retribution would not care about Oaths and is also not based on hatred. So seems while Taravangian holds two shards and claims the name Retribution, the shards are completely independent of eachother. Kaladin - I find the Therapist arc just to be meh. Seems destined to take up the shard of Honour when the power leaves Taravangian. What's the point of the new Oathpact ? Yes it saved the spren, but the fused are not on Braize anymore, what are the Heralds holding back ? And for that matter how do they return when they can't break, since their minds are removed from the "torture". How is the "torture happening when no one there to torture them ? Did i miss something ? Szeth - Backstory was more interesting / involved then i presumed before Wind and Truth. Didn't think it was possible to skip an ideal but i was okay with it. Jasnah This is bound to be unpopular, but i don't see a point to her at all, Wasted character. Shallan. So the Chana theory is correct which i was fine with. Chana being at the weeding seemed off though. Renarin Again, this is going to be unpopular but i think Renarin is another useless character. Rlain I think he is wasted since being paired with Renarin Venli Suddenly hears Rhythms no one hears ? Ok.... Sizgil Saves his Spren from death - and She doesn't want to talk to him ? Was a massive sacrifice and would of thought she would of seen it that way and been grateful. Adolin Suddenly his armour spren, are bonded to him ? Giant leap. Leader of new super group on Roshar. This seems like a "giving into fans" who thought Adolin should be Radiant, by meeting them halfway instead of leaving him as just a man in plate. New Gods / Old gods Wind/Stone/Night - seemed come from no where Unoathed Again from Nowhere Hoid/Wit Again going to be unpopular but i think the Stormlight Archive would of been better if it was Witless..... Cosmere interconnections I have read Elantris / Warbreaker / Mistborns etc but each of those could be enjoyed standalone from the Cosmere. SA has reached a point i don't think it can which imo has a detrimental affect on the series

No he doesn't, he writes high fantasy. Many authors nowadays don't follow the troupes and restrictions, so this really isn't a valid argument. @Honorless There isn't a feeling of dread because BS can't write it,

What despot was turned into a great ruler ? Surely you aren't referring to Dalinar ?

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Just seen this on reddit https://amp.reddit.com/r/Malazan/comments/o77yzg/the_jhistal_cancelled_by_publisher/ Anyone any the wiser ?

Why Is it Justice ? I'm not sure if this is a genuine question being honest. Reason is simple, his grandparents were wrongly imprisoned and left to die because of the pettiness of a lighteyes and an inept fool who allowed it to happen. Is it not justice that the people responsible for that are punished ? And how should taking a life in that manner be punished ? By taking the lives of the ones responsible. First off he didn't destabilise anything because Dalinar had made him a puppet by then, secondly fact he was king is almost irrelevant because the key fact is he was the one responsible not that he was king. So you you imagine, if Moash had approached Elhokar and Dalinar, explained what happened and they said "sorry' then that makes it ok ? Dalinar even thought so little of it all he remarked of it was "the roshone" affair, and you honestly think that an apology is enough when your family gets murdered ? Seriously?, For justice. Put yourself in Moashs shoes, your only family is murdered, you can get them Justice by eliminating the ones responsible, or you can see if they say sorry, what would you do ? I'm guessing you'd except the apology of the man responsible for killing your family since that's what your arguing, correct ?

He wanted justice for his grandparents, by eliminating the one ultimately responsible he got them justice. The point wasnt to make him feel better, point was to get justice for his family. Revenge killing isn't justice ? For someone in Moashs position killing him is the only justice he can get. If you have justification for killing someone like Moash had, then it is the right thing to do,

He was seeking justice for his family who as a result of the oppression of dark eyes were to all intents and purposes murdered through neglect. So yes he was resisting the yoke of oppression by getting the justice he could never otherwise of had. So you think Moash would of got justice for his grandparents by what ? Talking to Dalinar ? or Elhokar ? If that's what you believe how would got justice, what shape would it of taken ? An apology/excuse ? By saying "he was already one of the most powerful men in the kingdom is 1 misleading because he wasnt and 2 was the means by which he was able to get justice for his grandparents. Yes he wanted revenge, he wanted retribution for what was done to the only family he had. In a system where he would never get justice unless he took matters into his own hands, he did just that. How many tv shows, films, books are based on this very concept where the character is lifted up as a hero ? Too many to even count, yet Moash gets vilified, - makes no sense. The arguments why his vilified ? Elhokar was trying to be better - irrelevant Moash could of talked about it - are u serious ? Just because his position changed doesn't mean what was done changes, or how he feels or what he feels he has to do, to talk about it at this stage and accept whatever excuse/apology he recieved would be tantamount to being a coward. Moash hated Elhokar and just wanted revenge - yes he rightly hated Elhokar and he gets revenge as a by product of getting justice for his grandparents. Revenge and justice are not mutually exclusive.

I agree they are two different arguments, going on but don't think the regicide one is relevant for the reason you give above. However, I don't see how people say he wasn't justified, in my opinion, this is the very type of scenario which sparks revolutions, creates heros and martyrs, to say he was unjustified is to say, you have no right to defend yourself, you have no right to resist oppression, you have no right to, in a system designed to keep you and yours powerless, resist that very system. And when the ones in power turn there eye to your family, and eliminate them, you have no right to seek your own justice, when the laws, created by those same people, won't give you any. PS: this isn't a heated post, incase someone trys say it is. PPS: in all samdersons books there is social inequalities, which to an extent mirrors or own, both now and throughout history, so to say shouldn't be talked about in parallel baffles me if I'm honest as I believe that is the very intent.

What difference does it make that Elhokar was "trying" to do better ? You keep saying this, but what difference do you think it makes ? Because fact is it makes no difference. It is actually irrelevant that Elhokar is trying to do better..

@Frustration No, different views on morality then mine are not naive. But several comments were made that were naive. *Extended gaps between each statement for clarity The above statements, are naive imo, if you dispute that then fair enough, I was giving my opinion, you are free to give yours.....

I assume this was a joke and not serious ?

You are coming across as very naive and imo, and your views on the subject are very black/white and simplistic.