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Worth noting: Pa’alm functioned on a single Trellium Spike. The other Kandra said she was crazy, but she seemed pretty lucid. Like her issues had nothing to do with any kind of mental illness. Compare to Re’luur (totally butchering names I heard in audiobooks) who is hardly coherent. I propose that Trellium Spikes are specifically designed to function with one spike so that Harmony has no claim. At least for Pa’alm and her chimaeras. Another odd attribute. Correct me if I’m wrong, but was Bleeder able to hemalurgically communicate with Wax? And Wax could communicate with Telsin. That seems new. I suggest that Trellium based Hemalurgy has less potential for Hemalurgic control, and more to do with Hemalurgic independence. No one gets control per se and communication is much less restricted. found a WoB: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/74-shadows-of-self-san-jose-signing/#e7773 Basicallly, Trellium was created for the specific purpose of messing with Harmony.

Or…… and hear me out, maybe there are ways to make play with those medallions to change that DNA after all. So far we haven’t seen any God-Metal Medallions. Maybe a Lerasium Medalion with Nicrosil? Maybe Preservation gave the ancient Terris God Metal unkeyed metal minds.

I’m going through Shadows of Self…… and something interesting: it seems that up until the “Sovereign” showed up, the Southern Scadrians didn’t have Feruchemy. The Malwish aren’t Terris. Evidently Kelsier figured out how to create Feruchemy.

Does it have to be an Allomantic ability? What if Feruchemy is actually granted via feruchemy. Allomancy is granted via Allomancy…. Just a thought. I do think that Alloying Harmonium could make it safer. Maybe. I can’t imagine any one alloy being more likely to grant Feruchemy than another. Alloys might grant single metal Feruchemy I suppose, just like you can alloy Lerasium to make a misting instead of having it pure to make a Mistborn.

A lot of the study on Harmonium has been focused on what it can do with Malwish Tech, what works and what doesn’t work when trying to split it into Atium and Lerasium, and explosive potential. I have this vague memory of Harmonium having no alloys, but I can’t seem to find any reference to it. The stuff is fairly new, and folks in the Basin really haven’t experimented with it much. So it stands to reason people may not have discovered the alloys yet. If my memory isn’t wrong, could someone help me with the reference? On the other hand, for what it’s worth, alkali metals can be alloyed with Gold at the very least (https://www.nature.com/articles/152215a0). Ironically, that’s one of the two metals that we know the alloys of with Atium. We also know what happens with Lerasium Alloys. So what might one accomplish with a Harmonium Alloy, if it’s possible?

The need for the bullet to be pure Alluminum is probably going to be the dealbreaker here. No pure Alluminum bullets and all. No Hemalurgic Alluminum guns. As for aiming, depends on what kind of shooting you’re doing. I certainly wouldn’t want to try it in combat. But, sniping a target at rest would be much less difficult. Add an high level of natural skill and maybe metalborn augmentation, I still think it’s quite possible. But, given the paragraph above the point is moot. Sniping with a longbow or crossbow might be more likely, though that seems less accurate and like the spike is pretty easily removed. Hemalurgic control is probably still on the table. Now I wonder. Usually it either takes Lerasium or talent not that far removed from Lerasium, Duralumin, or a group of emotional allomancers to take control of a Hemalurgic creature like a koloss or a kandra. If you could use multiple Hemalurgic bullets, or better yet, Hemalurgic Shotgun pellets, I wonder if that would make it significantly easier, within the realm of your average modern rioter/soother. As for whether control requires a bind point, I don’t know. I feel like reviewing when Marsh spiked Penrod would be in order. I’m not sure how much accuracy was involved when Spook was spiked. Then again, he got pewter allomancy, so probably plenty. This would still be someone killing people to make bullets (or shotgun pellets) with the express intent of taking away their freedom. Sounds pretty dark.

I suppose it depends on where the bind point for aluminum is. It may or may not require piecing a bone. And it definitely would have to be a specialty round. Just like it was when Wax used it on Pa’alm. I imagine it would take a fair amount of experimentation to get the ballistics right. It’s worth noting that Aluminum Bullets are made from aluminum alloys. So do Hemalurgic Spikes need to be made from pure metal to carry the effect? As for the required precision, I don’t think that’s necessarily as hard as you think. I imagine it’s within reach of a talented and dedicated marksman, especially if enhanced with Tin, or perhaps Feruchemical chromium. Or both. You’d still need a delivery system for a coin shot to do it, since Alluminum can’t be moved allomantically. Maybe a bullet casing. That would make it difficult to get other enhancements though. The main thrust I’m going for here is weaponized Hemalurgic Aluminum. Preferably ranged. There’s room to workshop.

Fair point, and a good set of requirements. in theory, a very talented Sniper with an Alluminum bullet indented as a spike could completely remove the powers of an invested individual. It would have to be perfectly aimed and deliberately done. That tracks, and is useful for story purposes. And doesn’t require someone to be sacrificed to make each bullet. Much less dark that I felt before. Hemalurgic Control Bullets on the other hand probably are about as dark and evil as they come.

Ok, so your saying Aluminum removes the powers of the person sacrificed to make the spike (who’s probably already dying), not the person who receives the spike. By that logic, any aluminum bullet technically becomes a Hemalurgic spike bullet. I’m pretty sure Wax and Wayne (especially Wayne) take an aluminum bullet or two. Might still be bind point reliant.

I also wonder about what other Atium Alloys might be able to do. Right now we have: Electrum+Atium= precognitive Atium as used by Mistborn (and Seers, though now I wonder if Old Yomen and the other snapped seers were actually just Electrum burning oracles). Gold+Atium=Malatium-projected visions of the past. In both cases, it took what was an internal effect and made it external. Or maybe it took the powers and made them more useful. So my speculation: Atium+Cadmium: put the speed bubble around other people without needing the grenade. Slow/stasis traps Atium+Bendalloy: again, bubble around other people, though this seems to be of less use, though I could think of some interesting applications off the top of my head. Or maybe the allomancers can start carrying the bubbles around with them. Copper: blind a seeker Bronze: help other people detect allomancers? That doesn’t seem right Zinc: empathy? Yeah that doesn’t really work with Ruin. Brass: Self Soothing? yeah, this isn’t working right now. I’ll have to give it some more thought. Good night.

Scadrial humans are probably automatically connected to Preservation since both he and Ruin actually used their investiture to create humans. Maybe Connection to other shards sufficient to burn their godmetals is just a matter of attuning one’s self to that Shard’s intent. It wouldn’t surprise me if Godmetals had similar effects to Lerasium: permanent/one time use effects that is. For instance, Maybe Edglium makes so that you can give your investiture as breath. Maybe The Nalthians (Nalthese?) get trace amounts of Edglium all the time.

Honestly it’s scaring me. I do have a question about Hemalurgic Aluminum: are its effects permanent? Or do you get the power back once the spike is removed?

And Hemalurgy is generally, somewhat miraculously, non-fatal…… this could be a really vindictive. I’m not gonna lie. This idea is really disturbing me. The more I think about it, the more evil it feels. Interesting villain concept perhaps? The True Anti-Wax. A Hemalurgy using gun for higher. Probably a sniper who can place (or misplace) these bullets with incredible accuracy.

I’m imagining he used it once (I mean we’re still stretching credulity in assuming he got pure Atium in the first place, so I doubt he’d have a stockpile), saw far more than any human was meant to see, and it broke his mind.

I’m re-reading Shadows of Self, and I’m wondering: What could be accomplished with Hemalurgic Bullets. One such bullet put Pa’alm back under Harmony’s control, but perhaps you could accomplish other things. For instance, multiple bullets could make a normal person into someone susceptible to control via emotional allomancy. Or, with Hemalurgic Aluminum bullets, you could become a complete bane to an invested opponent. Rusts, use those for firing squads against people like Myles Hundredlives. I’m starting to see why Harmony wanted to keep a lid on this stuff. I’m thinking for Hemalurgic control, you use shot gun rounds in Alluminum casing. Preserves the Hemalurgic Charge, and allows for multiple piercings, facilitating better control. That would probably work well for Hemalurgic aluminum too, as it means you need not be as accurate. Of course a Hemalurgic Aluminum Sniper Rifle could be a powerful weapon for someone who wants to drop an invested high value target. I’d say this prohibitively expensive. Not to mention all the people you’d have to kill in order to get a decent ammunition supply.

The kind of connection you might be able to get with a Duralumin Feruchemist (or perhaps compounder)? Ooh, that could be really crazy if they can burn God-metals with Duralumin. Bond-Smith levels perhaps. Really…… maybe pure Atium is what messed Bloody Tan up. Though I can’t imagine where he’d have gotten pure Atium tho.

Does this mean that anyone (or at least anyone from Scadrial) could burn Raysium? Edglium? Uli Danium? what might these metals do? Hell, what does pure Atium do?

Definitely seems like the sort of thing a Secret History II can and should cover.

I think Harmony’s culpability probably only extends to him having Lessie/Pa’alm take a fall so that Wax would go home. Terrible thing to do to Wax.

Maybe they’re setting up for an Era 3 main character. took a look at some of those WoB’s. Tan had an outside influence that wasn’t Harmony. His whole puppets spiel is kinda ambiguous to me. It could be a complaint inspired by Autonomy, but seems more like a sort of devotion to a higher power combined with fatalism or predestination. He’s seen both the Survivor and Death. Obviously this guy has some insight. Maybe he just got a glimpse of Cosmere awareness and couldn’t handle it. But where did he get the glimpse? Seems like a non-sequitur, but in my ADHD brain it really isn’t, but Ironeyes is kinda in a weird position. It seems like Survivorism and Sliverism both acknowledge him, one with dread one with reverence. Harmony employs him. And Marsh likes to encourage people to do his Brother’s work. Is Marsh sympathetic to the Ghost Bloods? We definitely need to see more of him. They made it a point to continue preserving his life.

My first impression was that Tan was a follower of Trell, but that doesn’t necessarily work as well if he’s going to be explained in the next series. He could easily be a deranged Sliverist. That obsession with Death might just cover it. That said, it would seem weird to explore him in the future. Wouldn’t it make more sense if he was perhaps in a second Secret History. A rogue inquisitor would be interesting, though I thought a reasonably big deal was made of Vin having killed them all besides Marsh in the battle before her ascension. That said, my memory on that is fuzzy, I’ll have to review Hero of Ages. I get the impression that all of these religions, Survivorism, Sliverism, and Pathians (and followers of Trell) use Harmony’s Words of founding as a holy text, which I find interesting. Harmony validated all their beliefs in his book. They may realize Harmony is the Shard, but don’t find it necessary to worship him. Of course, the Yomen’s may not have needed the Words of Founding to really carry forward Sliverism. Again, my recollection of Hero of Ages is spotty, but iirc, Yomen seemed on the cusp of Cosmere awareness, which may be why his descendants seem to know and recognize Hoid. Yomen’s unshaken faith in Rashek acknowledges the truth that the Lord Ruler was only a Sliver of a Shard of Infinity. Maybe they started to get a better picture of what the whole was.

Interesting. Probably why Odium’s been hitting dual shard systems. Ambition was an outlier in this theory, but Mercy was involved in that one too, so maybe Odium was nipping that in the bud.

An interesting thought. Might explain why Odium didn’t bother Autonomy. Figured she’d take care of herself. Worth pointing out, none of these Shards were meant to operate independently. Autonomy’s intent is to do that which she was never meant to. Makes sense that it wouldn’t work.

I wonder if Autonomy would want to recruit a cognitive shadow as an avatar.

Thank you for those insights. I suppose the next question: can Kelsier hold a Shard (or, barring that, an avatar hood) in his current state. He wasn’t very good at it in SH, he needed a better hold on the PR. He’s back in the PR now, so that’s something. Given how Trellium repels other godmetals, and how Kelsier’s first impulse whenever he meets a new god is to punch them in the face, it seems like a good match.