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An attribute is turning into investiture. If the investiture isn't turned back into attribute, you lost attribute. Wether it is lost in transfer or used for compression. Efficiency of transfer to the metal. Less investiture used in the transfer to the metal, the more you can get out later. What does that mean?

OK.

If we get all 4 of them at once: BoM, Fuerochemist, Elantrian, and awakener. If only 1 at a time, Honorblades, mistborn, Elantrian, awakener

Then neither would having charged necrosil in your tin, which vastly simplifies the formula, but is still inposible to calculate with what we currently know, or by hand with all the knowledge required.

Good points.

Actually, fuerochemistry is net neutral investiture wise, but not attribute wise. If you fill for an hour at 50%, you cannot tap for an hour at 150%. This is accentuated in impure metals - the more pure, the more efficient, and less is lost. I see what your saying about why it probably doesn't exist, and I am on the fence now, but saying it would do nothing is a misnomer. Not only would it likely increase efficiency, it wouldn't be the only almost invisible savanthood.

We ignore it and work purely on the number of metals, knowing that the number of abilities is roughly magnitudes higher equal to the number of metals tetrated to itself.

To heal fully, sure. But to heal enough so that it doesn't impact your abilities it shouldn't take that long.

WoB confirmed that natrally born ferring/mistborn and minsting/fuerochemists can be born. What are the most useful halfborns? There really seems to be 4 categories: Direct combat, Support combat, General use, and Unkeyed Metalminds. (Please mention any others you can think of) Combat has gold compounders pretty high, but I'd probably put bloodmakers above augurs. Augurs are probably about equal to pewterarms, durilium gnats, and steelrunners, with windwisperers and soulbearers (if I understand them correctly) being just behind. Worst is probably aluminum gnat, and second worst subsumer. Support has Steelrunners and Sparkers at the top, with connectors possibly coming close depending on how it works. The worst are probably the best at direct combat not aforementioned. General is tough. I believe subsumers have the best single metal for general use (easy to fill up metalminds for invested material, silver is a common alloy) but less necessary with compounding garentied. Unkeyed metalminds have to be fuerochemists, or have medalian/hemalurgic f-aluminum. windwisperes are the best in the later case, but the former would probably be augurs or pewterarms.

Did Sazed experiment with the newly descovered aluminum while on his treck? What about other metals once he got back? Do you have an in to Brandon's team?

Why would basically an annoying bullet hole (through mussel I suspect, but don't know for sure) not heal quickly enough to be fine in a bendalloy bubble? It wouldn't heal a shardblade wound, and possibly not even the destruction surge. However, a mistborn should stay out of range for long enough that the radiant turns into someone with living plate and blade without light.

That formula is wrong, it cannot be generalized without averages, as each individual metal has different inputs, and we don't even know all the variables for the base metals.

If the investiture flows through your soul, you could become a savant. If it doesn't, you cannot. I don't know of any cannon calling on this. The end-neutral bit is specifically for tapping savants, which might be all there is. I don't deny it - it's all speculation. When I first suggested being a filling savant, I said if they exist, which I believe they do. Also, thanks, don't know what I was thinking when I asked that.

I have had people in real life pronounce it "el" as in 2 Ls, but It's the start of a name, so it would be "Ll", not "Il." Then there are those that go for "eye -" or "ih." I always find it funny when something so seemingly simple turns out to be complicated. Also, some people try to ttrpg to cannon, and ttrpgs often go into unexplored territory. I am soon to start one such as that - interactions will happen much faster than the books, so I need to understand the realevence. And then there are interactions between cosmere and non-cosmere, and how do I mesh the magics together. Ah, I see. My point is that if I fire regular Era 2 firearms, and a windrunner Reverse Lashes them, all bullets no matter the type will be taken. But if I fire a handcannon, which has a fistsized or slightly larger sphere, and uses black powder rather than cartridges (filled with black powder), it may not be unaffected. Some would think of it as a (quite large) bullet, others would think of it as a diffrent kind of projectile. Does the reverse lashing target it? The other section is if Kal doesn't know what a bullet is, be might set the RL to target "Small projectiles" and use "medium projectiles" himself, such that his projectiles are uneffected. Of course, this means a handcannon's projectile would be unaffected.

If the mistborn plays purely to survive - they can run away faster than the non-flying radiants, and even those MB should be able to survive without running out while the radiant attacks. I agree they would have to expend a little extra - but not near so much as the radiant needs to expend to hurt the mistborn. See below I agree. I mearly listed all possible optional buffs or whatnot that can be discussed on page 5 or in a few days. Also added compounding unsealed metalminds. I never said it healed like gold - I said super pewter would heal physical woulds similar to gold. Deadly wounds might not be deadly to super-pewter, isn't it more difficult to get a pewter user to die of blood loss? It won't heal near as fast without super-bendalloy, but with super-pewter and super-bendalloy, it should heal any cumbersome wound in a few radiant seconds.

What I'm saying is regular abilities are incredibly efficient - a baseline that provides a decent fight for a radiant, will be able to outlast the radiant if they can survive with baseline abilities. Most MB vs Radiants that go to the Radiant are usually decent fights, with give and take. If the mistborn only has to use extra fuel 2-3 times before the radiant runs out, the mistborn can win. If it increases speed enough, it should allow you to heal anything normal pewter would let you ignore until you die - not necessarily at the speed of gold, but to similar effects, especially with bendalloy bubbles. "New alloys" was supposed to be shard alloys, but I agree it probobly doesn't and should be treated as not for the purpose of this conversation. I wish there was a way to create sub-context, like have the regular discussion, but also a way to hide points specifically in possibility X or Scenario Y. Sorry. Again, only if they were lighter than it. See above. Same as Durilium, with a very different use set. Ah. I'm going to list all options for both sides that could be discussed, but I agree should wait a bit, at least until the active people have agreed or fought for 3 days. Again see above. Savantism Compounding (unkeyed metalminds) Shardmetals/alloys Era 2 weapons Primer cubes offensive hemalurgy (spiking opponent) Medalians and personal Hemalurgy Non-Human (applies to both, switching point) Honorblades Multiple Bonds Squires Fabrials (SB or Mech) Larkin Raysdium weapons Ranged shardweapons Dawnshards Specifically, what do you think would be roughly even for buffs. squires seem pretty much a universal opponent against any 1/2 extra the mistborn has, a consecutive bond is probably a little worse than squires depending on order, non-human mistborn isn't much of a buff, but a FoP or Sleepless radiant is a lot better.

I already acounted for that in the message you quoted. Along with the the fact you can add invested impurities and that one can do it in 2 states. I'm leaving the 19,000 digit number alone though because that's based on metals not abilities.

The WoB I'm referencing specified a tin spike...

If we say that shard combanations have 1 metal, and if they change intent all previously made metal changes with it, then there are 65535 (your number) potential shardmetals. Run the calculation again, add 1, multiply it by some number over 17 but less than infinity, and subtract 1. That is the number of metals, if each shard has 1 metal (darn you @Frustration, I want a number, not for it to keep climbing. The number of possible metals has potentially drastic effects on my eclectic ttrpg system), puts the number at a nice and large 19 thousand digits. You can see my post above for the full 19 thousand digits, and the calculations. (Of course, I figured a simpler calculation out - and feel dumb for not seeing it earlier. I'll leave that as an excersize for the reader.) Of course, this is the number of metals, not effects. For allomancy, you need to figure out if improper fuerochemical/hemalurgic attunement matters (for example, burning pewter that had the tin charged, or burning tin that was purified from charged pewter) add 1, (Booleans are calculated as 1 or 0) Multiply by 3 + the number of charged impurities that don't cost viability, and multiply that by 2. Than find the combo number of that many booleans. That gets multiplied by the 19 thousand digit number for allomancy. For fuerochemistry and hemalugy, same thing, but all instances of 3 are actually instances of 2. (variables can still equal 3)

They only need to contain it, so to have a 1" thick coating of kandra around a 4 (imperial) ton sphere of pewter, it would only take 1.3 times the mass of human. You can hemalurgically steal steelsight, even stealsight granted by alomantic hemalurgy, so I wouldn't know why not.

When Elend burns the lerasium, Brandon says (in the annotations) there are more than three magic systems in the books. I don't believe shardmetals, when burnt, are used allomantically. I believe they are a sperate magic system that interacts with it, the same way that F/H charged metals have unique effects. I am not entirely convinced that pure Shardmetals can be used fuerochemically.

Donor, but burning 4 tons of pewter with necrosil and tapping large amounts of pewter as well.

I would think you might be able to controll someone off the hinges - though you'd almost certainly be able to control The emporer before she uses the stamp on him. I wonder is stamps can push someone over the edge - obviosly not enough to get there, but 1 spike, slightly crazy, and a soul stamp might allow someone to control them.

Do we really know that the reason spren chose that was because of that? I though the whole Mya thing was like "It doesn't have to be because of that"

Or you could spike a Kandra with an A-P trellium spike (savant) with enough mass to coat 4 tons of pewter, made entirely of the strongest mulles one can make, and tapping another 4 tons of fully invested pewter (also savant) from another trellium spike filled by a pewter compounder with F-Aluminum from hemalurgy, medalians, or being a halfborn. Atribute hemalurgy is fun when a magical race and/or the donar is invested.