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We know that Preservation and Ruin (stasis and entropy) are opposites, and I'm trying to figure out the likely opposites for others. First a list. Ambition Autonomy Cultivation Devotion Dominion Endowment Honor Invention Mercy Odium Valor Whimsy (Unknown) (Unknown) Some possible pairings. Ambition and Whimsy? Autonomy and Dominion or Honor Cultivation and Whimsy, Endowment, or Invention Devotion and Dominion or Odium Dominion and Autonomy or Cultivation Endowment and (unknown) or Cultivation Honor and Autonomy or Endowment Invention and Endowment or Whimsy. Mercy and Odium or Whimsy Odium and Mercy or Whimsy Valor and (unknown) Whimsy and Ambition or Cultivation. I tried to keep pairings to the 2 most likely, and afterwords highlighted matches and misses. I don't need these to be canon, but rather ones that make sense and are likely to be canon.

That then begs the question of what happens when you change your frame of refrence? If your crasher is steelpushing backwards down a train with the car doors open, and drops mass midway, then what happens when they are no longer in the train? (Would they be flung back, toward the train?) What if they instead stop filling as soon as the "frame swap" happens? I don't think observational issues are nearly as important as what happens when one switches references, literally (leaving the train) or mentally (anchoring to the sun). This is true, but I don't know that it is an issue. Sure, a scientist needs to keep track of what frame of reference the person is in, but it shouldn't be that difficult. If changing frame of reference while filling/tapping iron switches your delta momentum to match the new frame of reference with no additional forces, then they can hop off and on moving objects much more effectively.

You can kindof put a lashing on a sharblade. Take an arrow with no head, (or dart with no point) and have your spren turn into the head. Lash the arrow, and watch it fly. Coatings may be possible as well, for bullets.

That's good. Alder describes them as salt, so slightly smaller seems like the answer. Pretty much what I thought. Hence why not using said design. Suposed to be "akin," not "skin." I've used a black poweder rifle once or twice in my life- you have to pour the black poweder into the barrel, then stuff the bullet down with a rod. Similar to a canon, but smaller. Something similar (not rifeling though) should be possible with spore poweder and non-spherical bullets. Is that within their tech level though, or only slightly past it? Tress's flare gun uses internal spores on a miss, this may drop some, but shouldn't trigger them. The "trigger" is the targets blood, as the bullet breaks inside. There isn't ignition/isolation inside the bullet. In the casing? Yes, I can see that could be an issue - especially if using a cartridge style. But if we switch it to a Black Powder rifle style, then we use a water cartridge of wax, followed by some spores, and then the wadding & bullet, then it shouldn't be that bad. Make a metal container, thin as possible; with holes. Coat it in wax; again thin as possible. Put water charge in barrel. Pour sporepowder (zepehr spores, possibly sunlight) in barrel Put wadding on barrel and insert bullet Ram rod it to the back of the barrel. Pour sunlight spores into over-barrel. Pulling the trigger applies a drop of water to the sunlight spores.

The way he mentioned the asterisk on the alloy made me think it was an alloy of investiture manifesting as pure metal, like harmonium, rather than pure investiture manifesting as pure metal that's alloyed together. I could be wrong, but that's how I interpreted his asterisk comment. I imagine the "same alloy but different" is like the 17+ electrum atium alloys that would be named nalatium 1, nalatium 2, etc. All basically the same, especially on the normal scale, but slightly different micro scale and possibly different effects on the macro scale. Alternitively, it could have to do with how shards can shatter (rather than splinter) and that each splinter (type) has a slightly different orientation of possible shards of the splintered shard, and therfore all of honors investiture is honors, in the same amount, for each order, but in windbreakers there is more (ex.) "oaths" investiture than in dustbringers. To clarify, we know they can burn it, because it's a Shardmetal. (Not for you alder, it's just the WoB you quoted could make it seem like we don't know and you didn't specify). I'm pretty sure the second WoB saying that is outdated.

The other thing is if preservation and ruin had been taken up separately, the WoA may become like the pool due to no longer being the prison of Ruin.

I didn't think about the cost off-planet, or the likelihood that they will have to fight the power 9 on/near lumar. Of course, it could haver to fight colonization soon, or if it's colonized the spores may be used on one side. I was not thinking artillery, and I was thinking we had more control roseite after the initial burst than you guys (apparently). Without that to provide the machining required, my cartridge design is not possible. Additionally, I don't think a spore or 2 in a slightly larger than normal bullet is much of an issue. Some questions on your opinions: How big is too big for a slightly larger bullet? How big are aether spores compared to sword fern spores? Is a front loader akin to our black powder possible? I was thinking just under twice the diameter for this bullet, about the same size, and yes. If any of these are wrong, then artillery might be the only way for this to work.

@Ariel43x, Do note that the "replacement of metals" was not in the magic system, but rather who the mists snapped, if there was any replacement at all. If "atium mistings" were electrum mistings, then no replacement was had. If they aren't, the mist simply snapped other mistings - if a mistborn somehow got the cadmium or bendalloy, they could have burned it.

Are we sure Hoid didn't have all 4 dawnshards at the time of the shattering? Even if it was just a dump from those picking up shards who didn't want to accidentally use them? If Endowment is the pinnacle of what Hoid would have taken, what else might have Hoid have taken? I expect Endowment to be one of the most free shards, the intent being giving stuff away. Preservation is definetly out, as is Honor. (Unless Hoid new how to use the shard's intent against itslef, vowing never to be overtaken by it's intent.) Ruin and Dominion are probably out, but I don't know enough about Devotion or Cultivation to say on those. Odium is almost certainly a no. Though why do you say no to Whimsy @Ashbringer? Depending on how Whimsy works, Hoid could have some whimsy that doesn't interfere with his plans. Ambition and Autonomy are both likely swayed heavily based on what exactly he wants to do. The other thing is we can try to figure out who would offer their shard. I have trouble desiding wether the lovers would offer, because then they can be shard+avatar, or if they wouldn't want to have that power decrepency. Also, Rayse definetly wouldn't, so that leaves endowment; who we know didn't; ambition, whimsy, autonomy, & maybe D/D. Also, I know I don't have all the shards on here, but I thought we knew all but 1. I cannot think of the rest, so let me know who I missed.

Bleeding around is different that AOE. Bleeding makes it slightly less effective than line of sight, but still better than no aluminum. Here's a redo, but with the sunlight added and the Spore poweder fixed (I accedently put S, and fixed it on the old picture). Also, have you ever seen the bottom of a sword fern? That's how large I was invisioning. Definitly too large for smaller sized modern bullets. It's not double tipped, hollow tipped. Keep in mind this is a cross-section, it's kind of like a cookie cutter, except made to split open and shrapnel itself into the target. You can google it to get a look at modern ones, and it's definitely in the MAG Era 2, but I guess not actual Era 2. Anyways, aluminum hollow tips are often discussed for dealing with bloodmakers or radiants. Prettymuch what I was thinking though. True, because you could put a hole in it and toss a bullet (no cartridge in) or use sunlight spores or modern/awakened tech Metal cartridges are hard to make. Have you read anything from the Grisha-verse? Manipulating rosite should allow for similar drops in tech level as fabriacators; (though not as widespread;) the hardest part of cartridges is getting them into the right shape and connect to the bullet properly (I assume). Rosite fixes those.

Where is that mentioned? It sounded to me worked like in Era 2 with preventing the strait lines of allomancy; preventing the strait lines of silver. I don't mean something currently wet. Either something like wax that surounds the water or something that is fine as a solid but activates as a liquid. And they would't be on the outside. I neglected to put it on the drawing due to other potensials, like the current hole. It would be outside the gun. Well, that may be an issue, but if their wedged that tightly, then you might be able to use zepher to push it out due to the cartrages seal. And the rosite on the cartridges could easily be made to break on firing, which wouldn't allow it to wedge itself. I the spore charge is meant to be released into their body; the spore powder acts as their version of gunpowder. I don't know how double tip bullets are made, all I know is that they exist in era 2, at least in the MAG if not mentioned cannon. The wheight might be an issue though. Huh. I was imagining something older, more pipe less gun. Mine is more modern than theirs by a good margin, but that's mostly the cartridge, which is similar to what they do now with projectiles, but the initial launch instead.

Preservation did't actually swap metals, as people are so fond of saying. A mistborn could have burned bendalloy, etc. if they'd had a way to. What he changed was what mistings were snapped by the mists, which were his creation in the first place. (And that assumes atium mistings weren't just electrum mistings, etc) I agree. Talus could be crimson, I initially thought they were made of organic material, but at some point switched to thinking of them like rocks. However, in another thread someone claimed they were glass, which is another type of crystal.

1: What do you mean by "collect the more useful aethers that are there?" Don't they have all 12 in oceans? 2: The spore oceans are a big natural advantage. It's home territory that most people won't be accustomed to, and provides 5*-11* very useful fabrial components. *Midnight aethers are really fabrial style. The other 5 we know are, and there are at least 6 others we don't know about.

It might, but unlike the other spores we've seen, crimson spikes have a predetermined path of growth - strait out (Or at least that's how I understood it). I don't know that a simple coating would provide enough of a force to prevent spikes from piercing it, but it would likely greatly increase the chances for anyone rolling the dice.

Huh. No idea how much it would help, as I said before, I orginally thought the pressure was there only to direct the force properly. This is what I was saying. Structural integrity of the rosite bullet. I'l try, but it's goin to be text (and at the bottom) Aluminum should prevent the metal from acting on the spores/aether same as it stops silver from acting on it. The aluminum would prevent the front steel from pushing while it's inside and the front iron from pulling once outside. I am assuming the effects on rosharian fabrials are similar to that which we get here. Of course they won't be identicle, but both pewter and zinc have effects that strengthen related effects. gunpowder -> Sporepowder. It isn't ever just spores; we see it mixed with sand whenever made into a fabrial. Didn't know that. My attempt at a text schematic. I know this is a little advanced, but considering what spores can do that can minimize the requirements for a cartridge based design, I think it's possible within 40 years or 5 with a little (knowledge based) help. There is one reason I believe this is possible to fire without a hole or advanced mechanics. Sunlight spores. If you put something watery enough to trigger it when melted in your spore charge, then sunlight spores can melt the fat to fire the bullet. (I say one, but this is one variation of several remote detonation possibilities, which have included some sketchy "This is going to blow my arm off" kind of thing) Some mirrors behind the spores on the outside, and you have something akin to a basic frontloader. After fireing, tilt down to let the cartridge fall out, then toss another in and either pore more sunlight spores in or remove the opaque slide from between the spores. There are chromatic ways to do this, but needing breaths for each cartridge would be expensive (to get started, but actually quite profitable, since you need to use the same supplier to reset the cartridge.)

Within these limits. The best charecter has all the end-positive and end-neutral powers, and either no hemalurgy or a way to control it. @Frustration, Are you going to add Tress stuff to this?

Also, Iron bullets may be useful to prevent bullet catching, though it wouldn't prevent mobility or sheilding.

K. I meant the initial velocity of the gas isn't 0 because of the iron in the bullet. I thought pressure was simply used to direct force, but after reading the posts since, I've changed my mind. You want a steel handle. More steel behind the initial position than after it. For the most part, but during the first segment the bullet cannot be pulled back but the gas is pulled forward. The Iron has effects on the bullet beyond speed. I've had another design. Also, I'm pretty sure the steel overrided the iron completely despite being only slightly in front of the shield, so directional pieces should be possible without aluminum. Steel gun with Iron at the end of the barrel and aluminum & steel coating on the front, using front loaded bullets with rosite cartridges with pewter and zink being the base the rosite grows on and the "SprePoweder" sits on. The bullet is iron with steel tip and nail shaped, with the body made of rosite and crimson spines. The front is hollow tipped, preferably aluminum or hollowed out crimson. In the space between the back of the bottom of the hollow and the steel, put crimson and sunlight spores. When the bullet splits, the spores will be released into the targets body.

I highly doubt that zepher spores simply convert their mass, I expect it to be more like Allomancy. The mass (water & spore) is converted into investiture, which pulls more investiture from the SR, then that investiture turns into air. Also, considering that the air is already pushing in the right direction, I don't know that an increase in temperature would really help, as your less worried about the pressure as the initial movement. (Though I could be completely wrong about that last sentance, Propulsion is not something I've worked with much or enjoyed working with). The metals aren't to be consumed though (other than the iron). You take a steel tube with steel backplate. The cartridge has zink, pewter, and steel (and possibly bendalloy, durilium, necrosil, or shardmetal/shardalloy) on the bakplate with the rest being rosite. The bullet is an iron nail-ish shape with shaped rosite on the front, (with a possible aluminum coating or spore fillings) with the very tip being a crimson spike (if not coated in aluminum). Rosite is slightly translucent, so you could actually go the rout of evaporated water condesnsing to fire rather than injecting the water by breaking rosite with valuable silver, but that has the potential to go off early. I assume a water molecule is smaller than spores. If so, then water could come through the micro-perforated backplate of the cartrage, allowing you to use a rosite wall on the back of the container.

There are lots of ways to remove all of these, and Friction and particles are actually covered by being a windrunner (vacuum). I figured I wouldn't give specifics due to the multitude of possibilities, and rather list the things needed.

I could be wrong about q1, I did miss that assume it works the same. (I was seeing BS long response as more confirmation of the assumption, rather than answering the question, which was the short response.) However, version of himself that isn't blind were her exact words, so q2 isn't fully answered.

Bendalloy savant windrunner with, A-Steel, F-Steel, Durilium, Necrosil Elantiran, with a way to survive without eating, drinking, breathing, or passing excrement. You create a vacume around yourself, Create aons that produces metal inside of your stomach and light for your sheres. Bendalloy causes time dilation, so your relitive speed is only helped due to the relitive molassas on what your pushing on. F-Steel causes you to burn metals faster, apply lashings faster, etc. Apply lashings on yourself constantly, use Acceleration Aons, and Apply Necroburst RLs on metalic objects behind you outside of Bendalloy to push against (Between molassas and RL, you should be propeled, rather than it). No friction or colisions, propulsion from gravitation and A-steel (possibly aons), and time dilation effects. Alcatraz spoilers:

Leras Switched what was being snapped by the mists, which is direct shardic intervention. There was nothing preventing the replacement metals. And this is assuming Shard/alloy mistings exist, and this isn't a oathbreaker honorblade with them actually being gold/electrum mistings, and mistings being able to burn shard alloys of their metal. We don't know what happens when a metalmind is attempted to be overfilled. And we haven't seen any shared metalminds, let alone anything filled enough. However, I was meerly extrapolating how traces of identity interfering with hemalurgic compounding would work under other situations. If a small amount of identity like that, then a full split metalmind is bound to be an issue. This.

Tamriel already brought it up, 7th hieghting lets you sence invested objects same as lifesence. Not what I was talking about, but defenitly relevent. I have always pictured it the same, but most objects are drab. In fact, I thought there was a WoB saying you could sense metalminds. I disagree. Q/A 1 is split between saying atium works and saying that the blind man would burn lots of tin and likely become a savant. Q/A 2 is only partially answered. The question is what happens if (ex) you have your eyes stabbed out, and burn gold and one of the 2 yous dodged. The answer only covers if both yous are blind, which you all are interpreting correctly.

Don't forget about Nalthis's inested object detection