Tamriel Wolfsbaine

It makes me wonder if a medallion containing aluminum feruchemy the kandra could even manipulate identity to fix this issue? I would think that if you had the same true body for decades, or centuries even, that might become a part of you in a self-identity personal perception sort of way. Granted certain materials would react differently... I doubt if a kandra got ahold of an aluminum truebody there would be anyway to trick it into being protected from the effects of magic. If that kandra suddenly weighed 10000 lbs the bones must surely be under strain. Or if they suddenly had a core temp of 1500 degrees the metal must surely be effected. Which would lead me to wonder how well the rest of the body would tolerate the now hot metal. As the body protects itself from the magic but internally there is something non magical at temps that could melt a person.

When Melaan used iron feruchemy through the medallion I don't remember it stating anything special about the way she used it but I do have some questions about the potential conflicts that could rise up because of this. Iron feruchemy can make you as light as a feather but doesn't seem to effect the metalminds on the feruchemist themselves right? So Iron feruchemy can only effect and alter the feruchemist and the feruchemists body specifically. If this is the case what then for Melaans use of the medallion. How devastating could it have been for her to tap large amounts of weight. When Wax taps so much weight as to crush through floors and collapse buildings the magic preserves his body by treating all of his insides as though his weight never changed at all. It only impacts the world around him. His bones get preserved and he feels no additional pressure on them even when he weighs more than a building. But what about a kandra with access to Iron feruchemy who doesn't actually own their bones... the structure holding shape for Melaan isn't tied to her spiritual identity at all. When she stores weight does that weight of whatever bones she is wearing get stored? More importantly, if she were to tap a large amount of weight would the magic preserve her bones or would it place strain on them potentially breaking them under the weight or potentally deforming even a metal truebody? Or... am I missing something major in how the magic works entirely here? This question goes for brass as well and pewter... really any feruchemy that a normal persons body has to be magically preserved while using. Would large amounts of brass light the bones on fire or melt a true body? Would tapping pewter be far more limited on a kandra as their bones would not increase in size or mass to support the musculature that they are gaining?

I see lots of questions with scadrial vs roshar in mind. I am curious how shardplate and /or living plate would deal with the possible immense heat able to be generated by feruchemical brass. I believe there is a WOB discussing how a feruchemist could generate enough heat to melt their metalminds. If that were the case would baking a radiant or shardbearer inside their plate be an easier job than cracking and breaking through the plate?

How much resistance do you think a shardblade would give to a cannonball being cut in half? Forged in fire has done a few strength tests where they cut the bullet with the blade and those 2 halves still tear through the backdrop pretty easily. That isn't even a magical blade that cuts through stone like butter. I anticipate you would just get hit by 2 halves of a cannon ball and the combined energy would likely be nearly the exact same as if it wasn't cut in half at all. I also assume the amount of momentum and kinetic energy from half a cannon ball is still going to be soooo much more momentum than a bullet that it doesn't much matter... your plate is gonna feel that and inside you are gonna get scrambled up pretty good. I was just watching the clip from Blacksails where the Man of War spun around and totally destroyed 2 ships at once. Those cannons tore through everything in their path. I don't know that the shardblade even cutting it down in half is going to help the shardbearer down range.

Part of me thinks "oh man it would suck if scadrial could come to roshar and end shardbearers because guns..." another part of me thinks "eh shardblades are 1 hit kill machines that are more efficient than guns at actually killing people and if plate were indestructible against bullets it would be stupid on the other side of the coin." As for the WoB I think 1-3 shots is reasonable. That said... Wax's weapon lineup even with steel pushing is nothing compared to today's options. Take nearly any round today and put a steel core in it and that should go well beyond what Wax's penetrating potential is. We also have to consider that plate options only get better as the magic on roshar grows. Guns exist in large because the magic on scadial isn't able to keep up anymore. (Bands and medallion tech likely will change that big time). If humans today have bullets capable of piercing tanks then it shouldn't be a surprise if / when scadrial gains the tech to destroy plate easily. Edit because it was late as heck last night and brain gave up. 5th ideal is probably going to do something pretty bananas for radiants in the plate / blade departments too. If living plate gets to a point where it can repair itself quickly enough that anything other than a 1shot kill can finish off it won't matter how well your bullets pierce armor. Then you think about that same stormlight healing the radiant inside and even if you do crack the plate open and get a bullet or two into the radiant they can likely heal through it passively while their plate repairs itself for your next rounds. If we see a non regrowth radiant heal through getting shot through the eye slit, meaning a headshot and a 1 hit kill vs anyone else, it is even more spooky the thought that a bullet breaking through plate really doesn't matter because the radiant beneath will be fine anyway. Scadrial does have a chance vs normal shardbearers but Roshars power creep is more out of control than Azeroth's was with the last 15 years of wow expansions. The only thing I can forsee working long term in the scadrial vs roshar matchup is harmonium chromium bombs. You charge harmonium with leeching and then turn that into the bullets you are launching at the radiant it might... might work. But when the radiants have a bondsmith literally feeding them infinite stormlight I doubt all the leeching in the world won't matter either. TLDR: Shardplate is a broken OP defense. It could be vulnerable to guns. Living plate is is straight hacks and might be over taken by godmetal bullets. But wait there is more... bondsmith negates even a chromium charged harmonium bomb/ bullet so even leeching the infinite healing, instant kill sword of death weilding juggernauts that are knights radiants is not going to be enough to kill the precious Rosharans because they will have a well overflowing with stormlight surrounding them anyway. Until everyone on scadrial is rocking their own bands of mourning the race is superheavily tossed in roshars favor despite what guns can add to the scadrial side of the fight.

Yeah I guess my thought in black is simply that that is what I view as being nothing. When I wrap my face with a black cloth I see nothing but darkness. That said, I do like the idea of instead of painting the entire world as black, creating a box that light cannot enter. That does seem like it would be far more efficient.

I imagine someone blind from birth would likely be hard pressed to be healed even by stormlight. It would be such a part of their identity and as you mentioned with kaladin it appears your self perception has at least a little bit to do with how fast stormlight can heal you / if at all.

I was thinking about lightweaving the other day and if a character with the surge of illusion was blind. Shallan weaves light based on her drawings and her image in her head. I have an old friend who is blind and I remember him building a "gun" out of legos. Obviously he knew what he wanted it to be and we all went along with it but there was nothing about that jumbled mess of lego blocks that looked to be an actual gun. I was thinking initially that lightweaving would be horrible on a blind person because they wouldn't necessarily have any basis for what they wanted to make. However it got me to thinking about what they could do (which frankly anyone with illusion magic could probably do). If you could only picture darkness in your mind and then you were to project that into the world around you could you cause others to need to experience blindness? I wont lie a part of me thinks about Daredevil knowing how to fight in the dark and then projecting a cloud of blackness around him forcing all of his enemies to suddenly be surrounded by a thick darkness or even if you just coated the world around you with blindingly bright light... Would this consume more stormlight at a faster rate than other lightweaving? Is it the amount of space your illusion is taking up that determines how fast stormlight is used up or is it complexity of an illusion? Would plastering the world around a person in bright light or pitch black be considered more or less complex of a challenge than putting on a disguise or sending out your spren to imitate you? Also would you be able to hide your own stormlight glow in a room that you just layered jet black paint over everything in?

I read an estimation that theorized Vasher potentially giving Navani enough breaths for perfect pitch. If or when she gains that ability it will be a fast track to her unlocking more fabrials than we could imagine. I would love to see the most powerful beings in the cosmere become those who are able to develop and control tech vs those who have amassed abilities and investiture. On scadrial it is already to a point where an aluminum bullet is more powerful than most magics. It will be pretty neat to see how fast tech overtakes other systems also. As for raw investiture I agree with the godkings... they are so dang invested the world around them changes colors... if they ever gain access to healing like gold/gold compounding or some regrowth they could quickly take over... Fullborn may be more powerful for the one hit kill but God kings can just think about the clothes on your back ripping you to shreds and it will happen...

Dang... that is a lot to think about. A story under the story. Point well made.

I agree with this as well. I think a kandra is probably set in whatever form it were to ingest. Kandra physiology is pretty awesome with what it can do and it seems Kandra are able to evolve to become far better are shaping themselves over time... but shifting from one form to another I think is nearly impossible. Also I figure carapace will be much closer to bone than skin for the kandra. They can't make their own bones or even grow them back as it seems they can grow other organs but not bones... so I think that is further evidence against kandra switching forms. Could likely hold together a form it ingests but it would be stuck that way.

So my knowledge in this is super limited but I feel like there are a few WoBs that say a spren would not like being around a spike. That said, I am confused by how the parshendi swap forms anyways (I have only read the first 2 books) and I feel like I had this feeling that they were trapping spren and forcing them to bond with them. If that is the case I don't see how a kandra couldn't trap and force a bond in the same way but I do believe it is WoB that spren would not willingly bond a hemalurgic construct.

Part of why I love certain characters is because of their thinking through issues. It was exciting to read about Vin pushing the limits and testing the bounds of her system. Kelsier vs the inquistors was so epic because they were fighting in the system. Vin vs TRL I have no choice but assume TLR was suicidal and wanted to be killed at that point.

100% this character is what hits me in the feels. Every scene with Lightsong in the back half of warbreaker is a moving one. The last scene with him and Blushweaver together was an absolute shocker of a scene. I just sat there with my mouth dropped for a moment. His brother yelling at him calling him out for being a fool and then his brother realizing at the end of it all how good he truly was... One of the best written arcs in the cosmere. Light hearted for 75% of his chapters then completely tragic for the last 25%.

I am curious how and if F aluminum could impact the same way. If you could compound and your identity included you having legs post amputation could the compounded investiture fix that? Or is aluminum F only impacting your perception of yourself?

I very much like this idea as well! Anyone glancing through into cognitive or spiritual realms should be able to pick up the inconsistencies. That said I am sure some lightweaver somewhere will be able to effect all 3 realms differences. That is almost the idea behind aluminum feruchemy right? Your identity changes on even a spiritual level I would imagine. The true ghost.

In line with this... you also have to tip your hat to the power of plot armor. It allows little girls being held by gods to rip free from their grasp and kill them.... multiple times. It allows for that last second change of heart that propels you forward to being a hero for the rest of the book even though you have spent the last 900 pages doing that one thing you promised you wouldn't do because it would have bad consequences but don't worry you change your mind at the perfect time. It allows your would be killer to spend that 1 second too long explaining in great detail his evil plan before thrusting his dagger into your chest. Now he was stopped and you are alive because he just had to boast and say those last 3 words with a big smig smile on his face to rub it in. Plot armor is by far the most powerful magic.

With a bit of setup I would say the godkings deserve another look. Anything within eyeshot (potentially if they simply know it is there) can be awakened to obey their desires. I have had a lot of scenes become truly epic in my mind, but the color draining everything to a pure white and all the cloth crawling off the walls to grab an armies worth of rebels, crushing them and tossing them like ragdolls has to be my #1 favorite scene... just imagine all the color being drained around you and the house itself coming alive to rip you in half... That said awakening lacks solid healing. If returned could will themselves alive through some weird idealism / identity shenanigans then they would probably be the most spooky of opponents.

I am curious if this theory could apply to aluminum compounders. Not saying anyone could afford this... but the idea that you have this boatload of investiture at your fingertips and you can literally draw on a newly healed or perfected identity. I figure if there is a connection to a spiritual ideal of ones self and there is enough investiture to back it up we see investiture plug gaps.

I have been thinking about the systems and other posts I have read in the last long while and I am thinking about the healing abilities in the cosmere. It seams that stormlight works on perfecting a person and while holding stormlight it fills any gaps as they appear to heal what you can. Gold feruchemy can do much the same but at much better controlled rates. I don't remember a single instance where a person gets to pick and choose what gets healed and what doesn't. However we do see Kaladins body refuse to take ink to change his slave brand. I do believe that is able to be blamed on his identity. Now if someones spiritual identity can stop them from being healed how could that in turn effect how well they could be allowed to be healed? There was a thread talking about the returned and their abilities to change appearance and suppressing their breath and how it could all be through identity tricks. This thread also discussed the returned and if that identity trick could potentially be used to heal themselves as well. That got me thinking. Maybe stormlight and f gold work to subconsciously return the body to the last spiritually "healthy normal" state for a person. I feel like regrowth may allow you to return a person back to what you see them as having been? Could it be that a person with control over their identity and a given source of investiture could potentially enact healing in a similar fashion? Enough of a powerful identity to view themselves in a perfected form and then actively use that view of themselves to consistently return back to that form despite physical mutilation or illness? Perhaps the identity of a person via aluminum compounding could even offer different powers? Warp your self identity to a point where your spiritual self actually unlocks potential you didn't know you had? I know there has to be a limit to it somewhere. But so much of the cosmere is explained with identity and intent (I think they are related more closely than I did initially) that I have a hard time thinking it is impossible for it to happen.

How would aluminum show up in illusion magic? If Shallan were to wear an aluminum necklace or something would it stick out like a sore thumb or could she lightweave on top of it to make it disappear?

I also would imagine it is more based on the space filled by the peoples. I would propose that if you look at the area of a circle when you double the radius don't you end up with a much larger area? If breeze could effect 100 yards out in all directions and the lord ruler could effect 200 yards in all directions with just a blanket of soothing your potential for soothing the masses goes soooo much higher. Plus if it is a bubble you also include folks higher in elevation as well. I am working on my garden lately and a cubit foot is tiny... but a cubic yard is 27x that much. All you do is go out is 2 more feet in each direction and you have 27x as much soil... I sort of picture soothing and copper clouds like that. The larger area you cover exponentially increases the amount of potential people effected. No doubt breeze could effect far more people soothing in a congested area than he could on a farm... likewise TLR will seem far more powerful in a city park with mandatory attendance and standing room only than if he were to be on the moon alone trying to sooth folks. Soothing 100x as many people as Breeze can has a lot of variables... I could be wrong and it could be limited by count size alone but I imagine HoA being a crammed battle ground where people are standing on their dead and walking on top of their living... I imagine the kolos were a good and tight group. If duralumin enhances both your area of effect and your strength in that area it all makes perfect sense.

So it is easily within reason that TLR could have obtained enough strength to double breezes ability to sooth a crowd just from the power of the well alone. Lerasium mistborns are a pretty decent magnitude stronger than mistings 1000 years down the line and I doubt TLR would have ever handed out a piece of lerasium that was big enough to give one of his "friends" even half the raw alomantic strength that he had from the well. If he let a friend eat a chunk of lerasium I am sure he himself ate 2. (Not that he would have needed to post the well)

I can't remember, but did Elend burn through metals faster than Vin? If the strength of your allomancy allows more power from the same amount of metal then the portions of metal wouldn't be that hard to believe. If the power of allomancy is limited by the spec of metal being burned and your strength simply allows you to burn more faster then the question is more for how TLR did what he did. If it is a mix of both then it opens up a ton of room to understand the way he did what he did. I would imagine that if the lord ruler had access to nicrosil and was just keeping it secret that even offers us the best explanation. We don't know exactly how nicrosil compounding works but if he was able to augment the strength of an allomantic ability through compounding and your strength in allomancy allows you to pull more power out of each molecule of a metal then I could definately see a world where TLR were to burn a nicrosil mind filled with a portion of his strength for soothing. This would certainly allow him access to 10x the stored strength pretty quickly and his burn rate wouldn't be that much higher. He could also just have been tapping a nicrosil mind of some sort to augment his abilities by a lesser extent. I think with savantism and patient practice you would also learn how to burn your metals really slowly. And with compounding allomantic abilities to draw more power out of each molecule TLR could have been so powerful that he needed half of the metal to make twice the effect as well. Then again I also figure TLRs metalminds were pretty well examined after his death and I don't remember them finding any nicrosil there (could have been stored inside him as we see with miles).

I totally agree. The passive effects are so good from awakening and once you hit God King level heightenings it is absolute brilliance. The only downsides to awakening, in my opinion, are the aura and the fact that you are so vulnerable to the one shot. I do wonder how quickly the cloak is capable of reacting for the command "protect me". Catching an arrow mid air is pretty impressive for defensive capabilities. I have recently seen it theorized that a returned could potentially heal rather quickly based on how they view themselves. If that were to ever play out it could be a big game changer in some vs battles...