Tamriel Wolfsbaine

The difference is that a mistborn doesnt risk giving up access to his entire magic system by stabbing someone in the back where it may very well be frowned upon by many spren. Not all orders would be against that but I think that is a dangerous gray area for a lot of them. This is a fact. This is also why the entire vs battle ends like this most of the time. Tensions flare and then it dies down to nothing or gets locked. I believe most agree that first and second oaths die pretty quick vs mistborn 3rd oaths are where things become more of a toss up and then 4th or higher is where mistborn get splat without tech. Medallions make a huge swing with just gold+ steel / pewter / iron / zinc and guns lead to the disagreement of what caliber and type of ammo breaks through plate (some think plate can withstand a nuke and others think it is able to be broken by a .22 so no ground there usually). There is no way to agree on terms because it will always swing the vote with any one option. I cant wait to see the conflict come to the page. I have a feeling it will be close and both sides will be using weapons we can only dream of right now. Mistborn uses atium to duct tape a harmonium bomb on the back of the radiant and then pushes off of it as far as possible while flaring as much pewter as it can before the boom. Radiant pulls X shenanigans to get out of it all by teleporting to the sun and then flying around the moon before being shot through the head with aluminum bullets from an angle noone thought possible but then the radiant had that last sphere that lets insta heal the gaping hole in his head before teleporting back into his now fully recovered live plate before a new harmonium bomb is duct taped to it and he uses "the ground is lava" to trap the mistborn in the earth before changing the waves of sound and light around him to redirect the blast but the mistborn knew this was going to happen all along and a shards mistpowers enter into his lungs to magically piece him together as the bits of flesh are all torn off of his face before boosting his power level above 9000 and ripping a whole in the earths crust itself to toss like a ragdoll at the radiant but then a perpendicularity opens up and swallows up that earth simultaneously recharging all of the radiants spheres making the radiant grin at his new found endless fountain of raw power but then his grin gets wiped as he sees this slight shimmer as a timebubble drops and the mistborn is covered in all newly compounded armors from the soulcaster he borrowed from the radiants mother last night. Woah! Sorry I think I just got lost watching the last fight of "The Deadliest Warrior" Radiants vs Mistborn. On a more serious note where is the line from what can be leeched and what cant? If it is investiture being drained and spren is the metal and is invested why does plate become immune to being drained? I get that the radiant inside is protected from nicrosil while the plate is on... but couldnt the mistborn straight murder the spren and/or drain the stormlight from the radiant as a result of draining the living plate? I know that would take some time but theoretically how is it that the investiture of a spren in live plate can both block all invested arts while also being immune to them as well? I cant see how burning chromium while touching plate does nothing for the mistborn because magic plate is so invested that it cant ever be leeched and it is so invested that the person under it cant ever be leeched. Chromium does something in this fight just as any other surge would.

Is the nicrosil not what stores said ability? The identity issue is solved in the compounding process. I do believe something fishy is going on with the nicrosil in medallions as it seems to not wear down and I would think a typical nicrosil metalmind should wear out eventually. There is a host of things that could happen depending on what exactly excisors are and also through various other combinations of scadrial magic / tech. I actually am of the opinion that a soulbearer is the single most powerful ability on scadrial with access to the tech as it is evolving. Also the fact that the new protagonist for era 3 is going to be a nicroburst hints to Brandon playing off of the medallions more (total theory there). And I don't know that we are going to see this person become a full feruchemist or fullborn but I do think we see scadrial in Era 2 at their all time low for invested arts.

A few things to note: I feel like there could also reasonably be some serious time dilation here while speaking to a shard as you are in-between realms. We know that there are serious diminishing returns on how much you are tapping a metalmind. It even says she was tapping as much as she could at once... there is no real way to know how much speed was stored that completely got wasted... but undoubtedly a ton of all of the attributes got wasted as she tapped so much. Remember Bleeder did some pretty disgusting stuff with steel and likely only used a fraction of what Marasi did. Could also be that the Southerners simply havent experimented very far into the medallions. It was tech that was given to them by what must have seemed to be a god. They obviously do plenty of experimentation but until we know more all we have to go off of is the fact that the bands do exist which indicates that can exist again and a mistborn swallowing a band and burning that metal is going to have access to that attribute (how you could have it while holding it and not while burning it ties up my brain). Not that they need to create new bands. A single medallion would provide the needed pieces to run circles around anything short of a shard and also survive a shardblade through the spine. Perfecting what is there is different than improving. There is no magical 600lb dude or 5 year old who becomes Bruce Lee after breathing in stormlight. It works so well for Kal because he was a soldier already. Where as pewter does add more to what was there. Neither of them teach you how to fight or move but there is a difference in that pewter gives you what wasn't there and stormlight perfects what was. In Vin and Ham discussing it with each other pewter actually did more for Vin because she started with less. Stormlight isn't turning you into something you aren't where pewter is. Stormlight just makes you never get tired and heals all of your wounds as they happen granting you the ability to ignore any negative sideeffects to what may comeup in a fight. Imagine being able to lift your max ripping and tearing your muscle fibers but they all heal as it is happening. You are going to feel stronger but it is still only your natural limits. Pewter actually changes those limits themselves. The only fair way to judge who would win. Neither is allowed powers or tech. Just 2 naked combatants in the sand until one of them stops breathing. But then it is no longer arguing systems either haha.

So the plate protects the user. But what can a mistborn with chromium / nicrosil do to the plate? Just attack the lesser spren that make up the plate. Is there no investiture somehow in the plate itself that is susceptible to leeching or flaring?

Steel and gold are a gimme. I do think that iron is perhaps greater than pewter for breaking through armor though. Iron allows you to smash a coin against a radiants plate and then toss them like a ragdoll away from you. When you do connect a blow it could have thousands of lbs behind it. Heck just go into battle with a hammer and tap / store your weight while tossing it around to push and pull all day long. Plus the conservation of momentum allows for your steel pushes and iron pulls to make you far far more maneuverable and fast. If you weigh 1500lbs (near the same as shardplate) then do a steel push or iron pull and store all of that weight you are going to rocket away far faster. Adjusting your weight to adjust your speed at that point. Iron compounding could allow some disgusting things. Zinc I think pairs so well with other things. If you wanted to give up compounded steel (but why???) The zinc would allow you to potentially process electrum to boost your defensive options significantly (again why when you can dance around your enemy while they are moving at snail speed with steel). Gotta go gold for sure. And yes mistborn slaughters nearly all radiants (a few orders are exceptions) pre shardplate. The magical armor is just a bit beyond broken. I am curious why plate negates chromium? It may protect the user from the effects but if chromium can stop you summoning a shardblade it should have some application against plate no? Turn it into a 1500lb coffin that the radiant can't move in?

I would be happy to agree with radiants having access to fabrials as it is all tech. That does open medallions though. As magical tech is magical tech.

I agree here. We have to remember that the seers whom were not great soldiers danced around hordes of kolos weilding kolos blades... I don't know the exact dimensions and can concede that kolos blades may not be as maneuverable but I imagine the seers in this case had to maneuver between multiple large weapons frequently to get in and as has been mentioned the only way a seer died in this battle was when it ran out of atium... As for Vin and Zane. I still can't help but wonder if preservation didn't interfere behind screen. Vin is smart and quick but let's face the fact that plot armor is the only way she pulled off any of her major victories. TLR must have been suicidal and even with that it was only through preservation Vin could do anything. I would not be shocked if it happened the same way behind the scenes being able to blame something subtle by preservation. I don't see the shard of preservation just watching the champion it is grooming get killed off by atium halfway through the story and right before the big boss battle.

I think I remember a RAFO in regards to what Arsteel could do if given enough breaths to awaken. My question is what about other magic systems? If a mistborn dies and then gets awakened is it still able to matabolize metals? Could you then have under your command a lifeless with mistborn powers to do your bidding? How about with fabrials and medallion tech. Can lifeless use the tech? What would happen if you gave one of Kalad's phantoms a medallion and commanded it to use it? What if it was Arsteel or another human you were using as a lifeless instead of a rock golem? Can a lifeless use an honor blade and access stormlight?

I still believe Vin vs Zane was more preservation behind the scenes doing some vudu. If Ruin can exert his will to turn a sword into a hemalurgic spike for spook I imagine all of the shard can play a role and be blamed for other impossible feats. Same with Dalinar catching the 10000000 lb leg. We already saw powers that were impossible to explain before Dalinar even started to think about saying the words. Given that I am in the process of saying good bye to my vine vegitables right now I imagine this is a well thought out argument. Seeds vary and it is rare for anything except gigantic trees to have such thick vines as to pose an issue to pewter and a steel push. Tree roots would be the better way to trap a person. Grab them with the roots... the vines are weak. But then the stormlight cost goes way up as anything with strong roots would need to be pretty large. Hollyhock roots growing all over me would be about the most terrifying nightmare out there. How much stormlight do you imagine would be burned through if a mistborn just kept up both bubbles (cadmium being larger than bendalloy) and just hopped back and forth making the radiant experience the gut wrenching temporal shift side effects over and over again. To them the mistborn would likely look as though they are standing still meanwhile they are getting pounded by this horrible sensation... they can either fight through it or expend stormlight to end it... but it never stops because everytime they get past cadmium bubble and get hit with the sickness they are moving so slow the mistborn only needs to take a step back... Cant lie, the thought has me giggling.

The metal is all one piece thus instant would chain into the entire block of aluminum. Saying it doesn't simply shows and implies that even aluminum is not an instant burn. Which is in part why I made a claim that the aluminum would all be burnt... it is ridiculous and I admit it but then I also don't actually think any of the metals burn instantly showing that even preservations chosen warrior doesn't really know what's going on with her magic. All resources on either side being unlimited is totally contrary to the entire purpose of economy limited magic systems. Saying resources don't run out should leave us with 2 systems systems totally at a wash. Resources aren't an issue. Until they are. So long as that human is in plate. Knowing that we haven't explored many on Roshar this is a total side pitch here. Scadrial has the tools to combine all of their systems which is totally overlooked. Fabrials and Scadrial tech are equivalents. Guns made via homeboys brain and guns made via fabrial tech are a wash for future advancement. I like this point but struggle with how well this would hold up in time. Time being the future. Is the future set in stone? This is a topic all on its own. I do believe there is a speed barrier that exists where you simply move faster than atium can show... the tip of a sword is ridiculously fast. But would that mistborn see the atium shadow of that sword changing faster than they can react. Can a radiant move faster than the god metal can show the mistborn that they need to react? In the end I do agree radiant vs mistborn isn't about who wins. It is about when does the mistborn start to lose and when does the radiant start to win. 1st and 2nd ideal is the mistborns game all day. 4th and 5th ideal the mistborn is mistdead. 3rd ideal is where I think all of the back and forth happen. This could have minor changes back and forth depending on order and era but I am certain the tides change with shards. Add in tech and fabrials and it all becomes a cremstorm.

Really anything you see a character "say" or "mention" being a limiting factor for anything cosmere related is totally meh. My favorite part of Sanderson's writings is that he does a great job at letting the characters be wrong... all the time it seems. I don't doubt moderating pushes is difficult but how infatuated was Vin when Zane showed that kind of control? Vin had a few flakes in her when she used aluminum. From what we have heard on duralumin a chain reaction starts that is near instant. I would bet all 4 of those metals work in a similar fashion meaning more metal more time. If duralumin burns one thing before something else and can be blocked via the consumption or wearing of far more metal than your opponent can leech / nicroburst then it is obvious there is nothing instant about it or else there would be no order in which you can say gold ingestion would divert stormlight. If on the other hand it was instant then it is a perfect argument for how to counter the soulcast aluminum as all you need is to instinctively burn it as it forms around you and you instantly rid yourself of that aluminum. Unless soulcasters have such finely adjusted use as to moderate and differentiate the air around a person from that which is constantly moving in and out of that same person. even if only a small % of the time a mistborn could escape that would not that same radiant have taken a heafty chunk out of their stormlight reserves? I am still convinced the only reason Vin was able to get around atium was plot armor. I am sure plate does more for strength for radiants than pewter does for mistborn but pewter enhances all of the speed and reflexes of the mistborn. Pewter can allow you to run faster than a horse. Plus the usage of steel and iron combined with the cognitive speed from atium should make dancing around even the best stoneward pretty simple even in plate. This isnt me taking validity away from other arguments you have made. Future sight would fuzz up atium. All the atium and other metals dont matter if the ground is quicksand. Atium cant save you from getting stuck in a soulcast aluminum cube (although I think saying no assassinations allowed but letting a radiant hop into a different realm and then soulcast with infinite free actions is a bit odd). What I am disputing is the idea that any soldier without a shard watching their back can stand toe to toe with a mistborn with atium and survive just cause they have that 1337 level of fightor skillz. This is another thing that is hard about the radiant v x argument. Scadrial has 3 systems to pull from. Roshar really only has the 1. A 5th ideal radiant with all surges vs TLR is really the only way to discuss a fair fight between systems as everyother argument comes down to what do we allow and what do we not. I feel like both of these can be touched on at once. Really the timeline is in favor of neither group for different reasons. Both will progress in power. The natural born abilities are on the decline on Scadrial but may make a comeback later on. In Scadrial the tech advancements are being driven by the fact that power is on the decline. The actual powerset on Roshar is on the up and up while the tech is largely driven by that powerset. Thus this allowance or disallowance of tech vs ability is really difficult as tech is being driven by 2 different causes / reasons. Scadrial is recovering from a near world ending event (in fact Ruins plan and goals, being total extinction of all life, were far worse for the progress of the civilization than what Odiums plans appear to be). Imagining the future of either group is really difficult. Scadrial is growing rapidly and Roshar is getting chopped to bits currently... in era 3 and 4 timelines this same issue could be totally flipflopped.

Then I misunderstood this and that is all fine. I feel like defining fight is the issue here. If fight is to destroy your enemy then knowing that they can't straight murder you while you can straight murder them and waiting for your best chance at success is a totally legitimate strategy. That comes with knowing the other persons skill set. Running and hiding until the other persons resources run out is in that same exact boat. If fighting is defined as a box where you will fight to the death system vs system then literally anyone in the cosmere short of a shard would well deserve the suicide they signed up for facing any of the radiant orders.

Awesome thanks. This still leads me to wonder how F aluminum works. If it is tied to a spiritual identity and you had this view of yourself being one way or another it should work just as well as F gold for healing no? The investiture just fills the gaps to create what it is that you see yourself as no?

If a mistborn knows the powerset of a radiant then fighting in an open field would be a no go. No mistborn who understands there is no way to win in a head to head would choose to go into a head to head (barring the end of the world scenarios). Knowing the powerset probably comes with knowing that knights are limited by oaths. Live a peaceful life and very passively sooth for as long as you can until you can get a 1 shot on the radiant. There are very few orders who would smile down on outright murder to kill the mistborn who isn't trying to kill you. Once they do they get 1 shot. Disqualifying aluminum weaponry from everyone but the radiants of specific orders seems suspicious but I get the idea of sticking to only what your magic set offers you. Just sit and wait. If a radiant wants to risk their oaths and sprens life to murder you then so be it. Mistborn have that 1 thing that gives an advantage. They are able to be cold-blooded killers and have zero negative consequences magic system wise.

I am curious about the auto healing. We only see a few examples of returned being hurt. In one of those the returned got straight murdered... not a 1 shot kill I might add as there is plenty of time to react to a throat being slit to use things like stormlight or Feruchemical gold if it is available. Where you think returned healing sets between slightly faster than normal with Allomantic pewter to a non-surgebinder with an honorblade to a spren bonded surge binder at say 3rd or 4th ideal all the way up to gold compounding? I also believe that returned have a way to heal. Perhaps if it were Vasher who got sliced up he could have imagined himself whole before taking the 6 foot dirt nap. But then why wouldn't Arsteel have done the same thing? (Perhaps he was unable to focus due to the surge or breaths?)

When a person get stapled or returned or whatever back to the physical do they bring with them any defects that they may have had in life? Would it be different depending on methods of coming back? If you were born blind and were returned would the divine breath heal your blindness or would you remain blind as a returned? If divine breath would restore that, would it work the same if the person received the divine breath via hemalurgy? What healing can be offered in the cosmere to fix something like a person being born blind and where does it draw the line? Could stormlight or feruchemical gold heal conjoined twins who share vital organs? If they were to be returned would they share a breath?

I feel like the unusual weapons and equipment that one side doesn't usually have access to is the entire point of the discussion. Radiant vs mistborn is never a discussion about power vs power. It is always that radiants have access to 1 shot weapon and indestructible plate that can cocoon them 100% and turn invisible. I have very rarely seen the argument for radiants in the 100s of pages worth of threads like this actually argue in favor of the radiants magic itself. It is their equipment that the enemy doesn't have access to that makes the argument in favor of them. So why would we disqualify discussion of Scadrial tech. Guns and a wide knowledge of aluminums anti magic properties are what scadrial has in place of being a walking tank. As for shardbows vs guns. I would say it all depends on the shardbow and the guns. If there is metal on the arrow being shot from the shardbow it is unlikely to be an issue for a mistborn in reality. With access to time bubles this becomes even more true. Mistborn have a ton of tools for dealing with ranged attacks if metals are involved and they have a decent amount still yet if aluminum is involved. Electrum could show them at the very least all the bad choices for where to stand. As for radiants needing aluminum blades... why?? Shardblades are unaffected by pushes and pulls and are offensively far more powerful anyways with plenty of 1 shot potential. Its a wash on that one. Use aluminum blades for radiants. Aluminum arrowheads can be permissible too... the mistborn still has a good stretch of defensive options against that. But again. Why would a radiant choose aluminum when shards exist? They do literally anything aluminum can do but better when discussing the mistborn vs radiant battle. We haven't gone so far into the depths as to make assumptions like "mistborn killed non radiant shardbearer weeks ago and has a set of dead plate and a dead blade to fight in as well". If it came down to scadrial invading roshar I have little doubt that the scad invaders would quickly aquire dead shards. A mistborn turned shardbearer would be terrifying. And if a mistborn exists on roshar it would only be a short matter of time before they got some shards... I am sure the couple mistborn currently on roshar have already done so.

I would say that Roshar is the turle of all turtles. Anyone trying to invade Roshar will have a terrible time. Roshar is also probably the least equipped planet for outward expansion. We know that stormlight doesn't stick very well and it leaks fast. Their magics are ALL limited by it outside of the nightmothers old magic. Scadrial is a huge contender for the role of buggers in the future taking over everything they can. Metal exists on every rock and with their new tech it will be much easier to branch out. I wonder how the nalthis expansion would look. Will halfbreeds have breaths or would you only get breath added to the system if they are born on the rock itself? Nalthis could offer a group like Scadrialians access to some new and powerful opportunities if they were to invade and start procreating on Nalthis mixing breath with the allomantic/ feruchemical gene pools. It is a bummer that scadrial is set up best to be an invading "bad" guy... What I do love though is that no matter who is going against who we will have all of this rich background to the groups and it will allow us to see both sides justification and needs anyway.

This pretty much sums up my biggest issues with radiants in general. Where is the weakness? There really is none. I have a hard time digesting the idea that the desolations weren't flawless victories thousands of years ago with impenetrable armor that has not a single weak point. "Oh you can't see with that visor down? Don't worry let me turn invisible for you while offering all of the benefits of having not a single squishy spot on you." -the lesser spren that could to rando radiant x. I liked the idea that emotional allomancy might help and that was also answered that plate stops investiture... so while wearing plate your radiants are also immune to things being awakened under their plate and they are immune to being soulcast as well as having emotional nukes dropped on them. With invisible all encompassing armor, a sword that cuts through all the things, and a bondsmith to give you endless stormlight behind you it is actually embarrassing for the radiants. My rant being over, I still enjoy thinking about what could happen in these scenarios to make the radiant on a level playing field. The future holds a lot of hope for scadrial. Scadrials hope comes in the form of their tech. Medallion tech will only become stronger as will their weapons. Who cares about a shardblade when you have access to leeching grenades and time dilation devices? A large enough caliber round shooting rapidly enough through a bendalloy bubble plus steel sight lines showing which of those bullets are on the correct trajectory to selectively shove on vs plate may be somewhat effective. Obviously this is talking about things far outside of magic X vs magic Y and fabrials will undoubtedly create some good shenanigans for roshar in the future as well but it could be said that the danger of dying would propel one side in a tech race (plus zinc compounding granted to scientists via medallions in the future) far faster than the side who waits with faith in their indestructible tanks of knights. Then again I am still a fan of kalads phantoms gaining access to shardlike blades... heck have enough invested stone golems with fused leeching spears and that would make for interesting story telling too... But yeah the shardplate is pretty op and living plate ends most discussions of magic X vs radiants. What worlds the fights take place on makes a huge difference too though. Roshars biggest issue currently in the vs battles is that they are the best turtles. If they never branch out and over extend even 1 system further then they are going to be fine. They just can't yet transport stormlight for long enough to be effective in any other system.

Pretty much this. It is a huge stretch to believe atium can outlast even a few chips worth of stormlight. This whole topic, as others have said, depends on so many variables that it can't really ever be decided. Personally I think there are much more useful combinations of metals than just using atium as the answer for mistborn beating everything. Atium just doesn't last long enough to wear down a radiants stormlight and get past the plate alone. Atium could certainly help you get out of a sticky situation. But even a perfect glass dagger through the eye wouldn't be useful as the stormlight would just heal it forever. Perhaps if the mistborn with atium also had an aluminum weapon and was able to lodge it through an eye slit into the radiants CNS... but even then that radiant is only dead until the aluminum is removed I would imagine. You would have to 1 shot the radiant with aluminum to shut off the healing from stormlight and then leech all of the stormlight from around them before removing to aluminum.... and then in true vampire fashion burn the body and scatter the ashes so that they don't magically get plotarmored back together until they come back as cognitive shadows placed into some random body or something insane like that...

Fullborn is about the more broken non shard out there. Radiants 4th ideal and higher are about the second most broken thing out there. Mistborn with atium is a good fight vs 3rd ideal and down. Feruchemist can sprint and beat just about anyone so long as they have spent their lives as a blob for long enough before that. My personal favorite and one that wasn't asked has to be the godkings. The whole world around them can be manipulated by thought. Very hard to sneak up on and can turn a persons clothes into a python around them squeezing and breaking every bone in their body from range with thought. The downside to the godkings... no healing... not even pewter. There is speculation a godking could draw all the color out of spheres and potentially ruin a radiants powersource also. But still full living plate past the 4th ideal is pretty dang imba.

Imagine if a certain person with access to compounding were to also have access to soulcasting... I would imagine that there are 2 potential candidates on Roshar atm who could fit the bill... 1 already does have access to all these things (now that this person very obviously knows about medallions). The 2nd is only a breath and an honor blade away I would imagine. (Then again the 2nd one may does have access to soulcasters even if this person is not one themselves). I have been thinking about these combos for a while now as well. I imagine there will be less stopping this progression than I as a reader would like to think. With compounding, hemalurgy, soulcasters, and medallion tech existing there is honestly a dangerous exponential power surge heading for the cosmere. I think the ultimate question is, with access to compounding and nicrosil at what point do the power combining worldhoppers become shards themselves? Is nicrosil compounding truly creating infinite investiture or is the investiture in the cosmere finite and it being taken from the cosmere itself to be stored in nicrosil battery packs going to weaken the structure that holds the cosmere as a whole up? We are dangerously close to these things already happening and until we see what limits feruchemical nicrosil has we won't know. That RAFO card is one of the most important ones out there, in my mind, for concealing the entire cosmeres ultimate fate.

So a breath is a net neutral power? Awakening would be considered net neutral on a cosmere view of things due to the fact that there really isn't anything gained... however individuals receiving more than their own inherent breath get a net positive benefit from the power... This is the only way I can think this point of view. Returned need outside investiture... it isn't necessary that it come from a net positive source just that it needs to not be their own self that is feeding it. In fact I would look at Nalthis and think due to the nature of The Returned the planet as a whole might end up being net negative. I know they reproduce enough to pay for those returned but most societies once they advance far enough actually go negative in population growth. If Nalthis ever were to hit a point where there were fewer children being born each year than breaths being used to feed returned it would definately spell doom for the system... until all the returned died and some drabs started having children again. Which is totally a possibility considering you can't recover breath from lifeless and if a war of awakeners broke out you would have hundreds and thousands of breaths being lost forever each time one of them dies. Side tangent over I can see the argument that some attributes wouldn't work for feruchemy. This idea that returned are at their best right after getting a new young breath would also imply that every day that goes on they loose vitality. If you have a bucket full of water and it had a leak in it (signifying that the returned soul gets closer to dying every day without new investiture) it would be difficult to take water out of the bucket and then refill it with that same water thinking you will run empty slower... if fact you will run out just as fast only with the removal and replacement of water you run the risk of running out before replacing what you removed. I definately see your point about those certain metals. Bendalloy or cadmium would probably work great as it is just storing outside things... strength and health are already tied to your vitality.

Given that we see a certain person using stormlight to keep divine breath satisfied I am curious if other avenues are able to do the same. If a returned got access to a medallion could they store their attribute and then feed the divine breath with that? How much do you think it would take to keep them from dying? Likewise do we know if it can also be fed by allomancy? How would you... I guess... choose to do that through that avenue? Would certain metals feed the breath faster or more efficiently? Would it take away from your use of it as an allomantic power? For the godkings do we know if they choose to only feed it one breath a week or is it literally that it only takes one breath a week? I am not sure if it is a ticking count down and it simply takes all it needs at once or if it is a more gradual thing. It seems that once the breath is fed it becomes duller over the time... Is the divine breath receiving all of the investiture to use until it is gone and you simply are allowed to use it as well or do you recieve all of the other breaths and the divine breath takes from your pool as it sees fit? Would divine breath be happy with a constant slow drip of investiture all the time by skimming off the top of some allomancy or stormlight consumption or does it require being fed all at once till it is filled up like a tank of gas in a car? Keep it topped off and it doesn't matter but if it runs out once you are dead.

Honestly as a kandra super fan that answer makes me super happy. I want kandra to be able to use any truebody or bones with feruchemy and it not interfere with the power. Even the idea of aluminum true bodies being able to work with it.... heck I want to see the look on a shardbearers face as they slap a kandra with a blade and mid fuzz it strikes an aluminum. All things I would be very excited to see. I just was playing through it in my brain and I was struggling with how the kandra interact since bones are one of the things they can't actually replicate and grow on their own.