Tamriel Wolfsbaine

I laughed at this because I have often felt the same about Rashek. Either he wanted to die or he was an honest to goodness idiot. His powerset allows him to be second in the cosmere only to the shards themselves and yet he was killed in the most pathetic way possible. Hence why I genuinely think if he was facing Nightblood he would totally try to flex on Vasher by letting him stab him expecting to gold compound through it and laugh.

I go back and forth on these things so often. I was on a huge feruchemy kick.... until I thought about cosmere wide mashups. Then copper hit me... I just think copper allomancy in any world where magic exists is way to valuable(and if I have magic it exists haha). 6 months ago it would have been feruchemist all the way. Now I just love the flexibility and low key nature of being a mistborn. The books made them so flamboyant. Everyone knew when one was nearby but noone was supposed to know who it was... I think smoking my own power as often as possible would be such a boon. 100% if I was constantly storing and tapping I think it would have the horrible side effect of me feeling like I was mentally ill. That or else a complete drug head. I don't see how you can have massive swings like that and not have it effect your psych (other than the plug that is "because investiture is magic"). I guess using metal for allomancy is the same thing but I don't see allomancy as leaving you with such large differences. That said I know feruchemy is much more titratable than allomancy in that you don't have to have super high highs or super low lows... just if you want the flashier more useful uses out of the magic.

You are absolutely right. It has been a minute since I read era 1.

I see the idea here but didn't all the worlds and peoples on them originate from one area? When Adonalsium created everything did he create all of the worlds and place the races on them at that time with different DNA? Or did they all start together and get distributed outward with the shattering? How closely related is their SDNA? Is their physical DNA created from the start that much different or over a few thousand years simply evolved to be vastly different? Kandra could potentially splice some weird genetic voodoo and make cross breeding possible... maybe... WoBs on Kandra and their ability to duplicate DNA and functioning organ systems (even reproductive ones) have been a bit conflicting with WoBs that question the ability for a kandra to reproduce. Do spiritual DNA and physical DNA work together in so much that they rely on one another for invested arts purposes? For sure the easiest way to collect powers like Pokémon will be via technological advancement though. Medallions, fabrials, spikes and forgery... even buying breaths. It is possible to get them all. Some may even help to get you others.... medallion for duralumin and then unleash all the connection you can on a spren??? F-duralumin and A-zinc/ brass for manipulating breaths away from people. Trading breaths for medallions or fabrials which can allow you to further earn breaths... "I will heal your sister if you give me your breath." I guess this is way off topic for ghostbloods (I know I have jumped off the deep end when I have to scroll up to see what thread I am posting in haha).... but maybe not. What do the ghostbloods really want? Well all of these ideas are perfectly in the realm of blackmarket investiture trade so I guess it fits.

Is a dead husk still invested? The spikes might be but you aren't animating an invested being once its destroyed and dead... you are just bringing back a 10 foot tall meat shield. I don't see inquistors as having an easy time against Kalads phantoms either (not to say it will be impossible) Vasher and Rashek are the powerhouses in these battles. Vasher needs to utilize as many meatshields as possible to protect himself while he can ranged awaken enemy clothing to impare movement or even straight strangle or rip apart the bodies wearing it. The other awakeners would primarily be there to keep numbers up as much as they can, turning anything that they can, when they can, into lifeless and using it to bolster their armies. Rashek doesn't really get to steel speed blitz Vasher in this fight which allows Vasher to utilize some great tricks and not even Rashek will survive Nightblood. While he is highly highly invested I don't think compounding is going to stop Nightblood from destroying him on all 3 planes of existence. I do think Koloss far outshine a lifeless but I also believe stone golems outpace koloss. Kandra... I see them as being a wildcard... they should be able to fight in this due to most of their enemies being undead... is it breaking the contract to kill a returned or a lifeless??? How fast does Rashek take to the battlefield and try to get to Vasher to end the whole thing? Is Rashek reckless enough to prove to Vasher that he never stood a chance to allow Vasher to cut him even once... Rasheks god complex could legit be the game throw of all time if he pulls a repeat of Kelsier and let's Vasher run him through just to prove he is stronger... How much tensile strength does breath add to cloth? We know awakened cloth can be cut but we also see it throw whole bodies like they are nothing and have fast enough reflexes to catch arrows out of the air. If all of Rasheks clothing were to suddenly constrict him like a magically infused python would he be fast enough tapping the strength needed to rip and shred it all? As for metals available. Let's do scenarios based on both... full 16 and just what TLR allowed his inquisitors to know. I would say time bubbles are a huge benefit for disrupting enemies... but can lifeless and golems suffer the time lag sickness we see in bands of mourning?? My guess is not so much.

I agree that the other 2 are attainable through other methods. But a foot in the door is a foot in the door.

What are peoples thoughts on creating fallen koloss into lifeless? In both engagements... The Returned were mostly put in here for their commands and the fact that each of the gods had a few awakeners of the mid heightenings among their priests.

I really like all of this. It rings more plausible in my ears that some atium used in Nightbloods original forging is more likely than packing a spike full of breaths. As far breath count goes those were all great points and definately just leave more questions than answers. Awakening is frustrating. Colors are frustrating. We need more Warbreaker books in the cosmere! Especially since we have so many WoB explaining how color specifically is an important and intentional choice in gems and metal and even hair of other cosmere worlds.

Perhaps I am underestimating each breath when I say this but is 1000 breaths enough to cause such a change in an uninvested sword? Maybe I missed this as well but I don't think we know how many breaths it took to create Vivennas sword. Perhaps the reason Nightblood is so heavily invested is that he was forged out of an already invested spike and then they stuffed 1000 breaths into him on top of that. How terrifying is it to think that if it is only 1000 breaths and nothing more than "Destroy evil" there could easily be 50 nightbloods worth of breaths in a single person at anytime on Nalthis. If Vivennas sword were less breaths or the same with a different command that allows it to not feed on investiture then we could see a day where a group of Kalads phantoms are running around weilding shards while being magic resistant stone golems.... what's more terrifying than a stone golem that is packed full of investiture??? A heavily invested stone golem that is holding a shardblade. Basically shardplate and blade in drone form with no driving human full of squishy bits behind it. And it would only take a generation or two to make thousands and thousands of these shardbearer golems. Sure they don't have surges or the ability to use magic but what an army! Line them up with a few awakeners wearing aluminum chainmail and you could be facing a horde of zombies (creat lifeless from the corpses left on the battlefield). Awakening has such potential that hasn't been touched it is scary to think of the force that Nalthis could potentially create and bring forward in a conflict.

Okay. This is siege warfare. Please make arguments for one side invading the other and then reverse it. Which planet has a better chance at victory? Invaders: Rashek in his fullborn glory. We will give him spikes to create new hemalurgic creations during the siege if he needs as well as his armies. Assuming he brings with him the 16 inquisitors he first made to lead his koloss and kandra as well. Vasher with the Peacegivers gift and Nightblood. He has the Lifeless army of Hallandren as well as the Court of the gods and their awakener priests. He also has control over Kalads phantoms. The battles will be for Hallandren and Luthadel. The goal is to lay siege to and take over the other cities. Defeating the enemy commander is the end goal... they will go down with the ship. The same armies will be used for defense as well as offense. The defending cities do have citizens and smaller human armies / city guard to defend with. Do you think the average citizen will make a difference in a drawn out siege? Do you think any of these armies is imba enough to push through and defeat the other armies commander through eachothers turtle at home base? Bonus: How would these armies fare against Dalinar and the Knights as they stand at the end of RoW? *I didn't want to assign knights to attack off planet due to the limitations of Roshar magic and staying on Roshar.* Feel free to speculate and adjust numbers / army setup as you wish. I tried to pindown the exact number of Koloss TLR had at the time of his death but couldn't. I know when he died the numbers of Koloss exploded as Ruin was ramping up for the extinction of the planet. I pictured a couple 20-40k koloss in my mind but if anyone has figures from TLRs time I would love to hear them.

Absolutely the way I view it. Pure investiture and the ability to replicate other systems I would say awakening is near the top... which is crazy since it is (as a system) only net neutral. Given other systems that are net positive exist it could well be argued that investiture wise there are more powerful systems but those systems pull investiture from other sources to use it. Breaths are innate and so limited that learning the upper limits is super challenging. The fact that the scholars were replicating (it would seem) other systems in their testing of commands says a lot about the limits of biochromatic breath. Not that it isn't possible to replicate some other magics but that the correct command and imagery hasn't been seen or used. Perhaps there is a command to mend the awakener and offer a form healing. Perhaps there is a command to help someone fly... we saw the ribbons carry awakeners but it is not the same as gravitation or steel/ Iron allomancy. I do think there is a so far unused strength in awakening in the form of draining color from other systems energy sources. As for the 10 surges. All offer a powerful end positive result. It is difficult to argue a end neutral or end negative system vs an end positive one except in how invested the users actually are. One breath makes your average Nalthis citizen more invested and capable than any other base citizen from any other system. A breath of stormlight makes the average squire more dangerous than that Nalthis person. The only difference here is that everyone on Nalthis has access to that and they can invest in eachother where as Squires are even rare on Roshar. The biggest argument against awakening as a system is that to make the most powerful awakener you have to make 50000 drabs. And if that godking gets killed in battle that single death might as well have been a kill worth half that in men. Someone with access to 10 surges would probably be in contention with the godking and a fullborn for the most powerful being in the cosmere. I will say in terms of there always being a godking and not always being someone with access to 10 surges or a fullborn Nalthis at any given time likely has the single most powerful non shard being in the cosmere. Limited by education on how to use it but the potential in Nalthis is on average always higher than other places. The times someone has access to fullborn powers are more limited (although the bands could change that) but those powers still require outside fuel where the godkings do not. Likewise the times there is access to all 10 surges on one person is far more limited than the godkings existence. You could argue that a person with all 10 surges has access to infinite stormlight and I would have to submit that that being is the most powerful, however it is so rare that systemwide I don't know that it makes a difference as system as a whole. World vs world right now I think Nalthis has a really good shot in the numbers game... plus if every kill you make you can raise up the dead it could end up a zombie army vs everyone. The minute nalthis falls behind they are in deep trouble though. But so long as they keep numbers advantage they can really put the hurt on other systems.

This train of thought could be 100% my brain being wrong... so feel free to correct me. Was Shashara killed with Nightblood? Was she one of if not the first to be killed by Nightblood? Could Nightblood have been awakened and then used and directed via Ruins intent (as we saw with spook) and that cramped just that last bit of investiture into Nightblood creating what we see today.

From a preservation stance for Scadrial and other systems stopping the desolation and keeping odium contained should be the #1 goal. Likely their interference is what will start everything down that path anyways. I heard one theory that Taln never broke. That it was Chana who was killed by her daughter (a special lightweaver) that actually broke and started the last desolation. That a certain lightweavers final truth may be that she brought upon the world the desolation. I believe the Ghostbloods were already in kahoots with that family and possibly had a hand in starting the desolation as well by pushing the parties into the path that ended with Shallan killing her mother, the real Herold that broke. If this is the case then Kals efforts to keep Odium from having an escape would have directly led to the final desolation starting. Of course there are other theories that say the desolation was started by some other event even outside of Taln not being able to hold back the hordes of fused. Spren were starting to make bonds before Shallan used a live blade to kill her mother after all... Setting up investiture trade can be potent and I believe it will likely be a combination of worlds tech before travel between planets can be accomplished outside of the cognitive realm. FTL travel will likely require a combination of compounding and harmonium and fabrials, perhaps with some awakened items tossed in. It may well take all parties failing in their efforts to contain Odium (likely self sabotage in their efforts to "fix" eachothers plans) before they combine resources to distort connection in a way to transfer nahel bonds beyond Roshars limits. If Odium gets off of Roshar... when Odium gets off of Roshar... it will be a cosmere wide necessity to figure out how to transport radiant and spren alike out of the system as well. Odium will not be able to be contained or destroyed without the Knights Radiant. But we need to a bigger brighter conflict between systems before we can reach the working together. I look forward to what creatures can be born with mixed spiritual DNA. People born with a biochromatic breath and an allomantic or feruchemical power... people born with both of these and the traces of Rosharan blood that attract spren to them? If this is even possible.... it could well be a matter of tech and hemalurgy that allow, exclusively, magic systems to meld.

This has actually been an idea in my head cannon and alternate universe for MAG adventures for a while. The idea that Odium is the next threat to all other worlds... there is a reason so many groups and individuals are being placed there. I would imagine every other shard gains benefit of Odium being locked away (whether for their own self preservation or to have a clear lane for their own sinister plans). I also have believed for a while that the magic systems are designed to make Roshar a defensive target of other planets... whoever controls Roshar will control a Cosmere wide economy (this an Nalthian biochromatic breaths). The metallic arts and biochroma work so well off planet for those groups that they are set up perfectly to be offensive or forward moving invading groups compared to the Rosharan turtle that is a radiant army. For writing and plot purposes it is inevitable that all of these groups working on their own will disrupt eachothers plans... but ultimately it will be each individual groups own fault when they get to their final threads. Especially if future sight is involved! (Just like every episode of Thats so Raven it is the fight to avoid a terrible future that will set off the dominos to ensure that that future comes to pass).

Do we know if hemalurgy was at all involved in creating Nightblood as well? There is some funky stuff happening with that sword. Certainly I would like to see some of Vivenas conversations with her awakened blade as well to see how the 2 differ and it would be great to learn the command used to create that one as it seems more in line with what Shashara had in mind when wanting to awaken a blade. (I think it is safe to say that Nightblood was not the intended end point for shardblade replication).

Slap a set of living plate and a living blade on any powerset and it becomes way more powerful. For that fact alone I think any radiant of 5th ideal and likely the 4th ideal could be in the running.... As others have asked. Most powerful system is kind of hard to guage and specific answers will fall into specific criteria.

Exactly this. It is my frustration with no real plans for a Nightblood book. I would be happy with a 20000 word short story at this point showing more awakening. As for the WoB I was looking for I found this: There are a lot more where that came from discussing the importance of color and gems. In these WoBs we actually see that color and the perception of what a material is has effect on the magic. This could likely be crossed over to metals as well. I won't stretch as far as saying that once ingested a metal might be unrecognizable but if pewter has a green tint to it and gold has that gold appearance... Iron being darker than steel.... these little changes could set up similar difficulties for metallic arts users that it would for soulcasters. With color seeming to be a theme that is followed carefully (even characters hair colors) I have high high hopes that awakening is going to play an even bigger role than what our minds can imagine. Also... when Kal and Vasher have their little fight I 100% think Vasher was toying with him. The awakened cloth could have ripped Kal apart with ranged awakening if Vasher had wanted it to. Once someone breaks the 9th heightening barrier awakeners are pretty OP. 10th heightening and its draining everything to white probably acts as a better leeching device and silent awakening is insanely OP. (Again ripping people apart without then knowing where or who is making it happen is crazy... Szeth could have assassinated all of his targets from rooms away by thought at 10th heightening. I loved that scene where everything turns white as around that dude as he was about to stab Siri only to be grabbed and tossed like a ragdoll along with all his goons... only a few paragraphs of a brief view of someone using breaths who had such little understanding... Sus did that with only his instinctive awakening and, had he known, even his tongue cut out wouldn't have stopped him from single handedly destroying a hall full of enemies. I remember Vasher awakening clothes on a dead body to have them use it as a meat shield and fight beside him.

The godking is why I mention awakening as the most powerful. Nalthis has more potential than other places. The average person is more invested than the average person from anywhere else. The average magic user may be weaker than the average magic user in other places. I am sure there are more mistborn and feruchemists than there are 5th heightening or above. There will be more 4th ideal radiants than any of the others but they all compete for stormlight and they are limited in location more than other systems. Nalthis gets better and better with age. Every year that nalthis has a higher birthrate than mortality rate the gross system strength goes up. That doesn't even count if you have people who believe in keeping their breaths as a legacy for their prosperity. We don't know how far into the 10th heightening susberon was either. The gift was 50000 breaths. He was collecting 2-4 per week as well as other godkings before him for hundreds of years. There could have easily been enough breaths to create 2 or 3 10th heightening awakeners in the gift when he handed it back to Vasher. I believe I saw a thing about draining color from gemstones and even metal as well. I will look for the WOB on that. It would be very interesting if the usage of awakening could drain a spheres ability to hold stormlight or a metals purity for the metallic arts.

I feel like awakening has no love so I will drop my thoughts on it here... As with everything else we can't really begin to know until we see it and nothing is more sad than RAFO cards that aren't even planned to be written for 10+ years to come.... That said I think awakening and the entire Nalthis breath system has the potential to produce the most powerful and invested beings in the cosmere short of shards. The Godking could simply nonverbal command every shred of clothing on a person to constrict them and break all their bones or tear them apart... from range without anyone knowing who did it... (okay we do have the issue of massive glowing aura to get around but I don't see why you couldn't awaken a cloak to hide your aura or simply suppress your aura like Vasher was shown to do). An army of invested stone golems.... investiture resists even shardblades... We haven't seen a ton of healing from Nalthis which is the only thing I can see keeping them back but returned have a weird relationship with identity that allows them to do some pretty bonkers stuff. Regrowing hair and choosing how to look could well be a hint at potential healing powers for those who explore the powers further. Plus breath is totally portable throughout the cosmere and to those who know about it... is a very very valuable thing. How many infused gems would someone be willing to trade for a single breath or even the first heightening? Vasher knows how to utilize stormlight to fuel his divine breath as well which means that those stones could be valuable for other uses other than simply paying for other things. Money will be very valuable in a future of more tech and infused gemstones could well fuel fabrials as well. Trading some breath for medallions or spikes wouldn't be out of the question. Biochromatic breath and awakening is the apex system of flexibility and because every person born on Nalthis adds more the further we get down the timeline the more we will see of higher heightening awakeners. There is no real ceiling for biochromatic breath. Weaknesses of awakening are, as I stated, the more powerful you are the more you stick out until you develope ways to suppress and hide what you are. No real healing and very little personal physical enhancement outside of your awakened items. Other than those glaring issues I don't see many systems touching how utterly saturated with investiture you can become and creating perfect armies of indestructible stone would make for a powerful system.

A little bit of a far of question here but I have been thinking about how to create a legit shifter in the comere. I guess I need to define what I think of as a "legit" shifter. I really can't unsee the WoW druid as the king of shifters. That very first WoW cinematic trailer where the night elf druid jumps off the edge of the cliff and turns into the cat as she lands was a scene I played over and over again in my mind over the years. The speed of transformation and I love kandra and they actually offer more durability and flexibility (in their ability to turn into other humans and replace them) than most shifters in other games / worlds but the kandras time to shift and need for bones/ lack of hair is a bit of a hold up in a fast paced setting. I am trying to see what you would need to piece together for a fast paced shifter to exist in the cosmere. The bonus, I believe, is that you would have access to far more options than even my beloved Azeroth druid. I think kandra would have to be your starting point. Being hemalurgic constructs already I imagine some further spikes will be needed to get us to the ultimate shifter point. Let's solve the hair problem first... if a kandra were to aquire a divine breath would they be able to grow hair such as we see with the royal locks? Perhaps not. I won't spend too much time on that but I have to mention it because I remember seeing a WoB that made it sound like spiking a divine breath was easier than normal breaths. As for bones... if a kandra were to aquire access to Willshaper or Stoneward powers (through a bond which is unlikely or through access to an honorblade which is probably even less likely but still fun to think about) would they be able utilize stormlight to shape stone bones inside of them to fit different anatomical sizes and shapes? There is a dark corner of my brain that is set aside for thinking about all the possible cosmere combos in the future and the ability to soulcast and shape a true body into whatever shape and size you could want is a thing that has crossed my mind more than once. If you were to be able to grow hair this would open up some cool fuzzy creatures to a kandra. If the royal locks idea is a bust then maybe ugly bald carapace wearing Rosharan fauna is more suitable for a kandra. The last thing we would need is to speed up the transformation time. Due to hemalurgic options there is the speed bubble. A bendalloy bubble may not make the transformation instant to the kandra but we saw how incredibly skilled Tensoon had become as he and Wax were running through the tunnels away from the chimeras. The ability to create or mold/shape your own truebody via surges and fabrials just eliminates the need for carrying a massive bag of bones with him. I really think the best setting for this would have to be on Roshar just because so many of your options for animals to switch to eliminate the need for actual hair growth plus Roshar has the surges that you would need to eliminate the bones issues. How it will all work out trying to shape stone while it is under the mistwraith ooze body I am also unsure of. Holding carapace looking stone like shields from the underside and using the exoskeleton approach may make this whole process easier. Thanks for bearing with my early morning brain dump. If there is an easier way from books I haven't read yet please chime in and I will read them next!

Thanks for the responses. So Vin definitely burnt the aluminum, and then it wiped out her stores of metal period. This is where I think my brain makes a disconnect in how the magics work. Aluminum works on the metal itself or the investiture? Metal is not investiture it is potential investiture inside an allomancer specifically. Duralumin works on specifically the metal that is being burned at the time that the allomancer uses duralumin. There is a disconnect here. How far does that stretch? Could an aluminum misting swallow a toxic level of other metals and burn aluminum to make them poof away? If chromium works on a similar principle wouldn't the grenade have eaten a hole in the train? Will we see a leecher just dissolve chunks of metal? (This question has special importance as the idea of soulcasting chunk of aluminum around someone's head has been used a ton in some threads.) Back to this principle of leeching investiture or the potential investiture though. This is where I feel the lines are blurry. Should a misting carrying metal in their stomach be safe from a larkin? When does that larkin feast upon the investiture? Would it be while they actively burn the metal? Or is allomancy more in that kinetic investiture space where it is harder to access? Would leeching a sphere of its light be easier than leeching a chunk of pewter of its potential? The speed of leeching I assume is the same as the speed of duralumin and aluminum. I thought it was described as an infinite loop instantly until one of the metals was gone. Trading X duralumin for burning away Y of another metal until one or the other runs out. I noticed in the quote that it says: Do you think that aluminum can be burned by aluminum? Aluminum is usually resistant to other investiture but if you had 2 chunks of aluminum in your body and you burned one would the other disappear? Is there a threshold where aluminum consumption would have killed Vin had they fed her too much and she couldn't burn it away except by allowing it to pass???

I am trying to nail down some inconsistencies I have seen in the nature of leeching. I would like to present a few different examples to highlight my questions. By all means if my recollection of these events is wrong set them right so I can try to better grasp the mechanics here. The larkin is shown to have drained Lifts lifelight. I know they eat stormlight and other investiture as well. In that scene I remember Lift losing her awesomeness and being hungry. Did the larkin empty her stomach of potential lifelight? Had Lift already metabolized all of the food she had eaten in that scene to lifelight and the Larkin simply ate the light? Could Lift turn to fat stores and metabolize that for lifelight and if she could could a larkin eat that as well? With the metallic arts... does the Larkin have a chance to feed off of preservations investiture? Is it able to feast and burn away metals or eat the investiture from a metalmind? On the train in BoM we saw the cube be used to burn away Wax's steel. Was that just because he was burning at the time and it just consumed what was being burnt? If he had not been burning his steel at the time would it have been leeched still? If Wax is so used to always storing weight he was likely connected to his metalmind at the time that the allomantic grenade was tossed his way... why did he not mention any difference or change to his metalmind at the time? Leechers can leech from metalminds but it was not noteworthy in this scene that I recall. Was that the interaction with the grenade specifically? In this instance Wax was accessing both portions of his powers (I assume). If chromium allomancy quickly works its way through investiture that is being accessed at the time would a leecher touching Lift while she was turning her meal into lifelight be able to leech her to the point of malnutrition and death? If so why would the larkin have stopped? Allomantic aluminum breaks all the rules I feel. It consumed all of Vins metals as it burned. I can't remember if she even actively had to burn the aluminum. Really, why would a mistborn eat and use a random metal fed to them by their enemies, knowing bad alloy could kill them as well, in the first place? I guess all this word vomit boils down to whether the investiture being eaten / leeched must be active vs nonactive or in gaseous state..... or whatever. What are the big differences between larkins and leechers? Could a Leecher drain a whole banks worth of spheres at the beginning of the weeping and cripple Roshar? I know it is highly unlikely due to Dalinar being allowed to completely remove the cost of stormlight by opening a perpendicularity. Do our very old Awakeners / Returned and Lift have to be extra cautious around leechers / larkin for fear of being literally leeched to death (awakeners right on the edge of 5th awakening and a few hundred years old that is)? Or is there a stop that prevents you being leeched to death? Is Lift able to metabolize her own body to the point of death like a gold ferring could store so much health they die?

I think that the potential is huge. If the returning undid what TLR did then they would return as a feruchemist right? Returning fills all the gaps in the spiritweb that are messed up. Part of it is having that bonus memory wipe. Which would make the resonances nearly obsolete as the returned kandra would have 1 week to either rediscover it has access to magic that can feed the divine breath or convince someone to give them one. Also. Given that endowment would have to willingly give a kandra a divine breath it would be highly unlikely. (At least I have a slight feeling that a shard would be able to see a kandra for what it is). I think kandra are more likely to gain divine breath via spiking it out of a returned. (are returned human enough to make this a first contract issue?) Perhaps it would be an easier route to stacking immortality to collect 2000 breaths through manipulation / persuasion / collecting the right bones for the job. Heck steal a divine breath. Use the returned bones and collect the breath or two every week until you are satiated.

I know we don't know enough about nicrosil as of yet. However... Imagine if Lift could store and make medallions out of her old magic... or on a darker note. Someone spiked the old magic from her and then started making medallions out of her boon.

The movie "Real Steel" pits large robots against eachother in supersized boxing matches. I know we have the dueling arena in the cosmere and I am sure there are fight clubs on every planet... but... What in the cosmere do you think you could set up for a fight club without needing to bloody up able bodied folks instead using constructs from the systems. I feel like lightweaving is probably the most obvious choice. But not all illusion magic has substance behind it to make a physical impact. I am not a fan of necromancy and I think there would be a huge debate on the ethical issues behind making lifeless fight for sport but this is also a very viable option. Kalads phantoms are also a nobrainer and devastatingly OP in this context. In the last fight of our movie example we see the protagonist shadow boxing with a giant robot having told it to watch him and do what he does. With this example in mind would awakening a set of clothing to hold a weapon and telling it to do what you do allow a similar situation? You doing the fighting while never being in physical danger because in the ring is a suit of cloth slashing at the enemy for you. This question also has the added benefit of how to flavor a pseudo "echo knight" from d&d.