Tamriel Wolfsbaine

Could forgery potentially offer radiants a chance at bringing their whole kit to another world? I really see Scadrial / Nalthis being more of the aggressors / offensive / invading force towards other planets while Roshar and Sel likely will be the ones on the defensive side and struggling more with how to maintain access to their invested arts while moving into other locations. I think we naturally cheer for invaded vs the invading which bums me out but metallic arts and biochromatic breath travel sooo much easier than the other arts.

Rings of power.... literally. Governmental controlled and a huge black market for all sorts of medallion tech. Militaries armed with limited use bands of mourning. Rings with powers for specific jobs with flavor.

So how exactly do the Larkin work? Is it instantaneous. Is it an AoE? If she had been full of food pre digestion into life light would the larkin have been useless? Larkin vs chromium allomancy? Can a larkin drain breath from awakened objects. Side note... that is exactly the kind of twisted logic used in a mistborn topic a while ago about a gold compounder just feeding armies and armies off of his own flesh or something... probably not the most cost efficient method or living but if food ever became more valuable than gold... Would Lift eating herself be net neutral or negative? Also is soul cast grain or meat more efficient in terms of stormlight? Lift gets more out of sugars right? Would soul cast grain give her more lifelight than the same stormlight equivalent amount of soulcast meat?

Definately agree it would be easier. Thinking more as a way out of that position she was in vs Nale. No food nearby. Just trapped and empty. Soulcast directly into the stomach and then slip the bindings and move on.

Could she soulcast the ambient air in her stomach into food and thus transfer the stormlight from gems used for the soulcaster into lifelight without the need to go through the physical act of eating?

I love the interaction between the Stormfather and Dalinar when Dalinar learns that he can speak other languages. Something along the lines of "why didn't you tell me I could do this." "You couldn't. And I didn't know. Until you did and could." Intent is such a powerful thing in the cosmere and we truly will never know what things can be done with any of the systems until the characters learn it and invent it. Vin never knew what she could do until she did it. She burned one of Sazed's metalminds. She even talked about knowing there was something else there. A power she just couldn't touch and use. This is likely the case for everything. And the more systems collide the more we will get to see people be able to touch those powers and use them. Imagine if Sazed had known how to make an unlocked and unsealed metalmind plus a medallion and allow Vin to burn one of his metalminds... The royal locks are the perfect example of these identity making a very physical change. Siri got to a point where she didn't want to have her hair brushed even. It was just more convenient to eat more food rest more and cut it all off only to regrow it in the same breath. I don't mean to derail the discussion but all of the hypotheticals of the cosmere are usually possible and just a matter of progressing to a point where people manipulate and warp their spiritwebs enough to allow these super bonkers combinations. Could connection compounding allow radiants to travel off world and have access to all power potential?

Is this at all related to how the 9th heightening awakener has enough investiture to awaken at range with just their voice? Is that connection manipulation? 10th heightening can do it without their voice. Awaken at range with just a thought. Also potentially so invested and able to manipulate connection to a point of breaking other peoples commands with a simple thought from a room away? Connection is powerful. Very. A duralumin compounder will be a terrifying thing to see. Who is to say TLR wasn't in part manipulating connection while soothing half a cities worth of people all at once.

That makes me terrified of a lightweaver windrunner/skybreaker. Not only can you soulcast ammo but you can make an illusion and hide it from your enemies view.

This is exactly my train of thought. Iron gets a ton of use when paired with flying anywhere and the ability to jack up lashings while tapping weight or storing weight allows for an even better control on acceleration / deceleration. (Not sure if abrasion can be used to circumvent that change in speed from tapping and storing). So from what we have gathered from Wax I can see less stormlight being used in a sense if you were to start very heavy. Start falling slowly and then instead of increasing lashing you simply stored a ton of weight to accelerate yourself due to conservation of momentum. Then simply tap a bunch of weight to slow down again. Or change your lashings to slow you down. This combo absolutely has the ability to turn you into a dang meteorite (and with enough stormlight and plate you may even survive the impact as well).

I imagine there is a middle ground somewhere here. Noone is in perfect health all the time. However stormlight seems to perfect you, and constantly work at keeping you perfected for that matter. I imagine that identity is going to have some role to make it so that you cannot store down to below zero and insta-recharge your batteries. I definately do think that anyone with access to feruchemy and an honor blade or something else allowing them to use stormlight would be able to store beyond their normal amount. Storing 100% of nearly any attribute is suicide. But if a persons baseline strength is capped at their physiological limit (being the limit that we see stormlight users push past as the stormlight reknits up their town muscle fibers constantly) then it should work great as a quick charge assist. It won't allow for anything too broken as you still have to be weakened but the stormlight will allow your body to push past what a normal storage point could be. Say you can store 50% of your strength and still barely be able to function. Now stormlight let's you store 75% of your strength. Your muscles tear and break at all of the strain of keeping you alive and mobile but stormlight is constantly reparing them allowing you to store that much faster. Same idea with health. You can push your storage points further than you normally could but you are still going to have a ton of side effects that will impose a limit... that limit will just be padded by your body being perfected at whatever point your spiritual identification baseline is at the moment of storing. Now if you could manipulate your identity via aluminum enough you may be able to side step off of this. Granted I still think that aluminum could potentially offer healing benefit anyways. Not as potent as gold or stormlight but reverse engineering the scars won't heal but arms can be grown back thing opens up a lot of potential. Maybe Vasher really is just that good that he never took any deforming or life threatening injuries in a fight.... or we have already seen returned mess with their identity enough to choose how they look and how they present themselves... the guy grew physically larger... bone structure and all. Who is to say that enough investiture and a good grasp of identity (storing memories in breath??) couldn't heal a person or allow them to store and be healed back to normal with stormlight at the same time?

Maybe this is just my lack of knowledge. Does it matter how much of a lashing exactly you use based on weight? I thought by definition a lashing was just 1x gravity in this direction. Your base existence is a single lashing downward towards the center of the planet. Why would it cost more stormlight to make X gravity on something heavy vs something light? I know there are examples of multiple lashings but from my remembrance those lashings all we trying to speed up the process or break something attached in one place to another spot (Gavilars assassination has 2 good examples of multiple lashings being used. As does kaladin in the arena.) Kaladin for example lashed himself toward the shardbearer... he was going to fall downward no matter what. The speed and force with which he fell was the idea behind his increased lashings. I don't know that him being lighter or heavier would have impacted the stormlight usage in question. I haven't finished oathbringer yet even so perhaps this is answered further down the line. Either way I have to agree iron feruchemy in combination with any sort of flight in the cosmere is a game changer and can offer such changes that make the F-iron medallion nearly a mandatory pickup for any S tier flying spec.

Edgedancer / crasher would be pretty bananas. How would the physics work on that? Wax says he slows when he becomes heavier and speeds up when he gets lighter mid flight (ballroom discussion). If you had zero resistance on you would changing your weight still change how fast you are moving and the momentum? Or could this be the ultimate wrecking ball? Push off of something with no air resistance and gliding across the ground or right above it only to become as heavy as a building. Shardplate would protect you and you could increase your speed and momentum continually with a push. When you think shardplate is roughly 1400lbs as it is... you are the weapon at that point. I do wonder if Feruchemical duralumin would have helped Shallan win her battle vs that stick...

I love the idea of finding a higher law and living by it. For that I want to say truthwatcher and skybreaker. I am not a fan of the capital punishment I have seen as skybreakers solutions thus far in my reading (about 2/3 through oathbringer). I would hope there is a way to exist as a beacon of truth and expecting others to uphold that truth without needing to slay all those who oppose that law. Flying is just too dang convenient. Power to heal is so new testament. Power to destroy seems so old testament. The illusion magic just offers endless options to flavor everything else. (I want to see someone blind their opponent with illusion somehow really bad).

Are there any theories on how Taln could potentially become sane again? I feel like Vasher must have a purpose for being on Roshar past feeding his divine breath. I feel like endowment likely had bigger plans for him. I liked one theory that said he was going to grant Navani perfect pitch... but could he use the memory trick or even give his divine breath away to restore the crazy Harold? Would certain feruchemical options offer potential relief? I would be a bit bummed if it was just a regrowth thing or stormlight to fix it... Or is it more likely to happen that Taln stays broken and crazy for the entire series?

I like the idea behind it all. I don't know how much speed your boots would be able to grant you in this way. Feruchemy has you storing a portion now for later. This seems like a much longer way around to storing a much smaller amount of speed if it is possible. I can see this being used in conjunction with feruchemy much better. If you can only store what you have available to store right now into breath and then try to awaken with that... a person with a metalmind already filled and transferring it to breath would be far more efficient than either on their own. Internally storing feruchemical batteries of power and attributes into breath and losing the shackles that are metalminds would be great. Then if you could suppress your breath down to a drab and keep your metalmind stores in your suppressed breath you have the perfect assassin. No detectable investiture or metal on your person and a walking battery of feruchemical and awakening potential. This scenario isn't too far fetched with medallions and unless something big has happened on Nalthis that planet honestly carries the potential to have the highest raw investiture in its people in the entire cosmere. Bummer deal that some of the cultures don't believe in passing on breaths... if you simply kept them in the family you could have insane amounts of breaths through the generations.... not to mention we don't know how a nicrosil compounder with breath would look... I think that is all RAFO... Back on topic. Storing memories is different than storing other, more physical, attributes. A memory into a breath is a lot different than a portion of your speed into a breath. A portion of your speed at this moment doesn't mean much in terms of being helpful in the future. Unless you can make a connection to that breath that allows continual low flow until said breath reaches capacity.... I feel like breaths are much harder to isolate than a metalmind. In fact without awakening something to store breaths (at least as much is needed to awaken said object) breath seems to work pretty well clumped all or nothing.

So are you asking about storing into a breath itself? I figure awakening being end neutral in that you use breaths and can retrieve them is what was meant. We do see that making a lifeless used to take many breaths until a better command was discovered that now allows just 1 breath to do the job. Making cloth give your legs strength takes many breaths right now but perhaps there is a future where it would just take 1 breath and correct command to act more as a metalmind using your strength and the breath combined... I so badly want Warbreaker part 2 but it looks to be on the backburner for a good while still. For warbreaker being my favorite book it is sad that we got so little of, in my opinion, the dang coolest magic system written. So many unanswered questions.

So shardblade vs metalmind and shardblade vs shardplate are the same? It is the investiture held in them that stops the magical cutting allowing the match-up to continue as a normal blade vs a normal plate or metalmind. The investiture leaks as the material gets broken down. I am not saying an inch thick fully loaded steel armor set could be reliably moved around in... likely a coffin of steel. But stormlight is more leaky than feruchemy and shardplate cracks where the steel or other materials may be more prone to denting and bending before cracking and leaking their investiture. Breath leaks even less than the others... very sticky. Could other forms of magic replicate and even surpass dead plate for protective value vs a shardblade. Again I think shardplate is unique in that it augments a persons strength enough to be mobile in it. But certain commands could theoretically exist to open up a thick suit of armor to aid in mobility or even just awaken the clothing underneath to augment strength and speed enough to overcome the heavy armor.

So if investiture isn't drained actively from them would a more traditional armor hold up for more or less strikes if it is full of a feruchemical trait? I have had this feeling that defending against a shardblade requires investiture to stop the magical cutting force and a material that can hold up long enough to be useful against the normal sharp blade. If the investiture simply leaks based on the material breaking there are many other forms that have a "stickier" investiture vs the material. An invested stick should block the magical portion of a blade allowing it to act on the stick as a normal blade would. An invested block of metal should block the magical portion. If it is only going to leak investiture I feel like a block of feruchmical steel would hold up better than a piece of shardplate. I see shardplate cracking and then shattering. It seems the investiture that powers it absorbs everything until it absorbs nothing. You don't really see steel shattering in that same way. And if the investiture used to make it resist shardblades is stickier and holds onto the metalmind better than stormlight does to plate wouldn't it require leeching to break through a thicker section of feruchemically charged steel as a normal blade wouldn't be able to crack and break through it? We see awakened cloth get cut through and stop functioning but it still retains most breaths so you can retrieve them later... if you had an awakened suit of armor you would have the "stickiest" investiture put into a material that doesn't really break open and crack. In armor form it usually just bends and dents. Not saying a blade wouldn't still hurt like crazy when it hurts you (they have those full armor full contact fights now which are all aiming for pain compliance and basically an armored game of uncle). I definately think shardplate protects better while it is functioning. I just want to understand if the blade bleeds away any investiture or if it just smashes until it gets cracked.

I know that a shardblade could be stopped by a metalmind with enough investiture. I also know that once the investiture is gone it would cut through it like butter as well... Is the shardblade leeching in a way the investiture when this happens? When a shardblade hits a piece of plate is it damaging this investiture source first and then the plate later or is the plate losing investiture as it gets damaged by the blade? If you hit Wax's full bracers would they stop hits until the investiture was drained or would the investiture drain based on the damage that the bracers were taking? When looking at stonewards if they turn their shirt into a ridged and hard piece of armor is it going to be able to block the blades as it has investiture being used to make it hard? Would a whip being turned into a spear via cohesion be able to block a shardblade as well? Would the blade damaging the material cause the material to leak investiture or would it actively attack and leech away the investiture before being able to but through the now hardened cloth armor? How would this work with awakened cloth? I know that the blade itself could cut through an awakened shirt but would the shardblade be resisted and destroy the breaths in the cloth or would it just cut through and allow the awakener to retrieve those breaths assuming they survive the conflict anyway? Side question: Stonewards... can they infuse and strengthen their own skin to resist blades as well? Stonesinew is an interesting term and nickname.

I feel like I read that becoming lifeless would break your spren bond. Would becoming returned also leave those bonds broken? Would you retain genetic powers if you were to get returned via divine breath? Allomancy or feruchemy? If someone were to snap right as they were dying into a mistborn and then get returned would mistborn powers manifest in the now returned person? I know memories of how to use powers might fade away... but would they lie dormant waiting to be rerealized?

Nicrosil would be a great one. Either feruchemy or allomancy would allow you to gather all of the goodies that the cosmere has to offer. One single metallic art could, with time and a lucky medallion or spike, become one of the most powerful beings in the cosmere.

Thanks for this. So someone with access to nicrosil feruchemy could potentially store access to surges via holding an honorblade. If they could compound nicrosil they could potentially end up with permanent access to all of the surges if they were to gain access to at least 5 honorblades. The surge usage would not be tied to a bond or oath as they would simply store and compound access to that form of power. I assume this would be an easier and more plausible path to it then fabrials as I don't believe fabrials touch the spirit web at all. Do medallions work off of a spirit web? If someone held a nicrosil medallion and then used other medallions for each feruchemical power would they be able to create metalminds that stores the ability to store into other metalminds? Or do medallions not interact with the spiritweb even as much as honorblades do?

So honorblades don't do anything to your spiritweb to allow you to surgebind. I assume other medallions would fit into this. Probably can't store the ability from a medallion either? You would need to use spikes and find a way to survive the extraction of said spikes in order to really collect powers and not end up a total pin cushion.

If a nicrosil ferring (or anyone with access to a nicrosil medallion really) were able to get ahold of an honorblade would they be able to store that newly gained ability to surgebind and use stormlight?

I have to agree that night Dalinar would have died too. Granted that was vs stormlight and an honorblade. Would it change anything if they both had stormlight and surges? As far as Dalinar and Gavilar both in full shardplate and with blades I think Szeth would have had his work cut out for him without a doubt.