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But if Ruin and Preservation are opposites then they cannot be in the same quadrant for 'change'. I am thinking of the sun mural which is divided into four and Ruin and Preservation will be on the opposite sides of the diameter

Oooooh yes! That's good

We know he was ordered by 'his masters', but we have no clue as to why. Or am I missing something?

To find the Kaladin of the next half, we can be pretty sure it will be the book6 flashback character. Are we sure lift is book 6? I thought that was Renarin

To borrow a term from a completely different franchise, the unit of investiture equal to one Breath could be called 1 'idea' of investiture. It's just a term I really like, but maybe it doesn't fit for investiture

The fact that this is kept vague is just meaan.. I think maybe it just looks humanoid, which is all she can see and hence the vagueness. Then it's not a radiant spren at all. Because if it was, she would just say it. This brings me to back my theory that maybe fabrials have 'awakened' cognitive aspects that are sapient. An oathgate would be made by having a normal tower, awakening it, it somehow has the surge of transportation and everything else in the tower is manifested by the spren.

What do you mean by sapient spren? Because I don't think we have any confirmation that radiant spren manifested as soulcasters and other ancient fabrials. If u didn't mean radiant spren, what other sapient spren are there( one example I can think of is oathgate spren)

I do think that it's freedom from ROW, but it could literally be anything as I still can't understand H+C = Science. Like ya I get it Honor concerns natural laws and cultivation concerns with progress, but science seems like a tiny slice of their combination. I am still shaky on H+O = War, so...

Umm.... What does that analogy mean? Ignore extra quote

How would that consent look like tho? Since these spren are not sapient and are instead the shadesmar equivalents of animals. And would these spren even consent to be stuck inside a gemstone? What could they even gain in return? I like this a lot. This problem will slowly get more complicated as more fabrials are made I think. But they probably will use connection shenanigans for spanreeds. What's this about?

But submits to what? Roshar is not going to stop using spanreeds even if sibling says to, even if Navani stops using them. Especially during and after a desolation. I wonder if there is something about singers and greatshells method of using spren that doesn't ruffle the siblings feathers

While I don't think this is wrong, it's probably a major reason for the sibling's hate, most of her complaints in the book are against imprisonment in general and that captivity itself was the torture. The reader is even invited to think that this reaction is related to BAM's imprisonment which clearly screwed things up for Roshar. Even if sibling does not care about imprisonment, there still needs to be a discussion since splitting spren is very important to spanreeds, which in turn are very important to the growth of tech

I think it's very likely that this will get resolved in the next book itself because 1) I don't see a good way for navani to compromise 2) the back half takes place a decade or more later, and sequels have a lot of technological advancements. So I am pretty sure we will find out the solution at the next book, hence the discussion What about singers and their different forms?( Warform, nimbleform not regals)

This isn't a theory discussion thing, because I don't really think my theory is right. I want to hear other solutions too Ok, the one thing that I completely didn't expect from ROW is the siblings distaste towards fabrials and just how much time was devoted to it. This is a situation that when I was reading the book, I had absolutely no idea how to resolve it, and I still don't. Fabrials are getting more and more important to overall story of SA and the cosmere. The desolation is causing pressure on Roshar on developing technologically. This will be helpful for the later space age cosmere in the future. When I saw the epigraphs of ROW, I was sure that I knew where this was going, that this is the seeds from which they will have fabrial computers and stuff in the future. And then the book slaps the reader in the face with a core problem with making fabrials in the first place. The spren get trapped and the sibling does not like it. So what's Navani's solution? How can she keep having fabrials without trapping spren?I can think of three things 1) That spren will be asked to manifest into the physical realm and make new fabrials. This is how the sibling does it. Also this is how soulcasters are supposed to work, navani sees some spren sleeping in the CR side of a soulcaster. This is how the ancient fabrials seemed to work( during knights radiant days). But how does this work tho? Which spren will be asked? What about all the other spren that you need to use for specific effects(like flamespren, painspren), where do they come in? So many questions 2) Fabrials were based on the gemhearts of the singers and the greatshells and others. Are the spren they use trapped inside the living beings? Do luckspren live inside a chasmfiend? If so , I really have no idea why the sibling takes so much offense to their imprisonment, since that clearly already happens in the normal, natural cycle in this planet. If they are not trapped in gemhearts then, what does that bond actually look like? Are gemhearts only for storing stormlight all this time? 3)My theory: The process will be like awakening. They will take a core physical seed, ( like an empty gemstone wrapped in a metal cage), then pump this object with stormlight, talk with the cognitive aspect of the object, then command it to manifest in the investiture it has into specific fabrials. I like this also because you are creating specific spren for your specific needs and then commanding it to perform a certain function. Rather than having potentially sentient computers, which I think is silly. What do u guys think navani's solution will be?

Could he put design in a metalmind? Cuz I kinda want design to be alive.

Do we see shadows strech towards light sources in any other planet than Roshar's cognitive realm?

What they said His life isn't more valuable, it's the fact that his death would be much less valuable(negative value indact). The deaths of a character whose arc is themed towards sacrifice would be meaningful and emotionally resonant since it tells a very clear story. Kal's heroic sacrifice would make his death and his life mean less. The only use is narrative surprise and twist. But you would effectively kill a lot of emotional investment. It is possible, but Brandon seems like a better writer than that

Because the entire point of his arc and story is that his life matters? That he may fail and make mistakes, but he isn't as worthless as his mind tells him? That he deserves to live. You can't kill a character like that lol

Also there is a very good chance that she will have adhd if she becomes a human, because Brandon has said that he based her to be like his son who has ADHD. If syl did not become kaladin's girlfriend, would you still not like it? Because we can be sure there won't be syladin at all. Simply because Kaladin has not yet shown any attraction to syl at all. No scene where she thinks she looks beautiful or cute. Nothing. It would be in very bad taste to kill off a character who is recognised for his representation of depression and has survived 2 suicide attempts. We can be sure he won't die.

Shieet Time to start another reread Edit: Also that sounds a lot like the shin naming system, do thaylens do that too?

How do we know this?

So you think she visited shadesmar and saw a deadeye after breaking her bond with testament? Or you think she saw deadeyes in shadesmar while she had her oaths?

I was actually afraid of that, lol. So basically it's law to have a w in the name. For any other rosharan character vi would have agreed, but szeth is a shin man, they are the few people who seem to remember the true history

It does say shardblades alight, and I don't think there is any confirmation one way or the other I did think about valor while writing that, but that seemed out of left field, so I decided not to. Anything valor-related seems to be later stage cosmere and roshar is stuffed with shards anyway. When Dalinar and co see ishar for the first time, szeth is shocked to see ishar's ethnicity is shin. Normally in roshar, the heralds are depicted alethi and Dalinar thinks that that explains the shock. But the shin are not a normal society, they are isolationists who remember ancient history. They kept the secrets of the heralds( the betrayal of the oathpact). Suffice to say, they know stuff. I think it's very likely that shin don't respect the heralds in the same way. Maybe it's shin propoganda that no herald was shin. The ethnicity of ishar was kept hidden from the general shin public. In teft's own eyes, I think. I definitely think this is true as I don't think odium wants a bondsmith orBAM situation. But, during the occupation of urithiru, Kal's adhesions work while his gravitation is severely limited. Also his reverse lashings ( a mix of adhesion and gravitation) works. Meaning adhesion is inherently special. So progression seems to be same Right?? Also, she has many rings on her hands. Smells of feruchemy to me. What do u mean, the syntax of her name? Perhaps. It does fit in my head. If there is a spy, I am really interested, because the rest are based in kharbranth, and we don't see anything about this spy ever I don't think it's confirmed, but that was what I was implying. Teft would have been the first to say the fourth ideal! Now I am really sad. Would his ideal be, ' I accept I deserve love?'

Oh my god, I had no idea this gemstone was a thing before row. I totally forgot. I somehow feel more confident about the idea after reading the coppermind article lol Reverse lashings worked because it is adhesion mixed with gravitation, right? That's how I saw it anyway. Growth and regrowth are pure progression. Also lift may have used growth in row, I am not sure How do we know this? Are you thinking of Arclo the sleepless? Ya that was what I thought too