Stormtide_Leviathan

Yeah I think this is true. (Or close to. Im more of the opinion that it's ruin investiture in the spike because hemalurgy is of ruin. So even if trellium was used to spike, say, a sandmaster I think it would still get red spots. Any godmetal used as a spike- other than atium, harmonium if you somehow could, and mayyybe lerasium at least post-harmony- would develop red spots).

Godmetals exist because when investiture manifests as a physical object, it does so as metal. So my completely unfounded guess is basically that dragons are so super-highly invested relative to their physical form that that investiture manifests itself as metal. Each dragon would have a slightly different variant of dragonsteel, unique to their own individual spiritweb. (Like how it's been said that shardblades of different spren types are slightly different alloys of tanavastium and koravellium)

I was thinking the other day about how scadrial seems like a really good setting for a murder mystery, which got me thinking about a sherlock holmes character and what powers would be fun. I think there's a lot of good options. In terms of allomancy I could see zinc/brass, tin, or bronze. In terms of feruchemy, Zinc, copper, or tin. Maybe a zinc compounder could be fun, with a brain working a million miles an hour and able to manipulate people into revealing things. (Also yes, Wax is a detective character but he's very combat focused which isn't really the archetype im going for)

Kelsier exists as one notable ghost, but I think it would be neat if ghosts were a more significant part of scadrial. They make good sense as a manifestation of investiture by preservation. They're literally someone's soul preserved after death. They make even more sense as a manifestation of investure by Harmony- they're preserved souls born out of death, out of ruin. Thematically, I just think they'd be a great fit. And they'd add a bit more of a mystical element to a world whose magic we're generally encouraged to approach in a scientific way. Ultimately, I don't have particular story reasons to want them to be a more prevalent thing, I just think it would be neat if preservation and/or later harmony chose to preserve certain people after their death. But even though it's not the main reason I want them, there *are* interesting story possibilities. We know that cognitive shadows are similar to spren, and can potentially form bonds. While it likely wouldn't, and shouldn't, work exactly like knights radiant that still opens up interesting possibilities if the ghosts can become shardblade like objects or grant allomantic/feruchemic abilities somehow.

This appears to be a metalmind that takes medalliontech a step by making tapping the metalmind obligatory. It's not just that you *can* tap the metalmind, you have to. Normally, tapping a metalmind requires intent, which is why when Wax had the memory coin he couldn't even tap it until he knew what it was. So this is weird! Do we have any speculation as to how this might be done? Is it even a metalmind like I think? I have thoughts that it might involve F!Electrum, but that's obviously highly speculative so I'm curious if anyone has other thoughts.

Yeah the placement *could* be weird, but it could not be. "Intent" being a combo of mental and spiritual seems possible to me. Absolutely there's not strong evidence for it; that's entirely true. Like I said, it's a largely baseless theory. But I don't think there's strong evidence against it either. Without more specific, well, Intent, I imagine storing Intent could default to storing and tapping "general Intent to do stuff". Which would give the depressed/manic thing. That's what I meant when I said that without more advanced knowledge storing Intent would probably look a lot like storing determination. Determination *is* just a specific kind of intent (little i purposeful. the word not the Fundamental Concept). That is probably true, but hemalurgy comes with a lot of moral implications. Even if you can get around the "requires killing people" thing, you still have to stab the person and warp their soul to be able to do that. If you just wanted something like "a bracelet that temporarily depowers someone by forcing them to store their powers", an Intent medallion would be farrrrr better for that than a solution using hemalurgy. And yes, you could use chromium, but that's a one time thing rather than a persistent thing. You'd have to make sure they can't reswallow metals afterwards, and it's even harder to stop feruchemy with that, whereas Intent medallions could definitely stop feruchemy. So I definitely think there would be strong benefits to this being true, if it is.

Storing "determination" seems like it's of fairly minimal utility. It's not *nothing*, and certainly I could use it myself to help with adhd, but still I struggle to imagine it ever being particularly relevant to stories. It seems like a very odd choice for brandon to make then. I propose that "determination" is a misunderstanding of what it does. I think it's more likely "Intent". Intent is fundamental to how the cosmere works- just sticking to what we see in mistborn, you need the right intent to burn metals, to tap and store metals, and it's very important for hemalurgy. Most of the cosmere fundamentals can be manipulated by feruchemy, so it's weird that Intent can't- unless of course it can. The weirder feruchemy powers that tie in directly with cosmere fundamentals are not well understood at the moment; there is a lot unknown both in world and to us about them, so it wouldn't be at all odd for the metal doing so to be misunderstood. And I think that, without combining it with more advanced knowledge of how investiture works, trying to manipulate Intent would look a lot like "determination". So what are the implications of being able to tap and store intent? Well, probably a lot. Certainly more than I can think of here. But for a start, there's a lot about Hemalurgy that requires the right mindset- the right intent. Being able to make medallions that share that mindset could be very useful. Same with specific tricks of allomancy and feruchemy. For example, the ability to detect feruchemy with allomantic bronze is rare and difficult, but perhaps you could make a medallion that shares that ability with seekers- or pair it with a medallion that can make you a seeker. Most importantly though, it might allow you to make someone *forcibly* tap or store a metalmind. This would be *huge*, especially with the advent of unsealed metalminds. [Minor non-plot spoilers for the Sunlit Man] If you can use electrum to make metalminds that forcibly make people tap and store attributes, you could probably force people to store the intent of burning metals or tapping/storing other metalminds, and create a device that stops people from using their powers. So what do you think of the theory? And (sticking only to mistborn stuff and not greater cosmere), what could be other uses for the ability to store and tap intent? EDIT: Oooh, what if you could combine a few Intent medallions to make someone forcibly tap Intent to tell the truth? Or forcibly store Intent to do harm? A device like one of those would be really cool.

It's well established that Aux can only turn into shapes made of one singular piece, but a chain is made of many interconnected pieces and nomad turns aux into one on multiple occasions. How does this work?

I'm guessing it's a corruption of the person's own investiture, same as why Forgery gets the red investiture of corruption

If your soul warps like that, growing around the power, and then suddenly has the power removed, I think there's a strong chance you just die, honestly.

My assumption for a bit has been that Nightblood's black smoke color is because the command "destroy evil" combined with the unprecedented amount of investiture aligns it with ruin, and black is ruins color. I hadn't noticed what @drunkenbotanist pointed out about fused turning to black smoke when killed with antivoidlight (do we see this with phendora too?), and that furthers that idea. The nightmare machine definitely seems like it's doing the same thing as nightblood, that the shroud is the same as the smoke, whatever that is, so if it is actually ruinous, that's interesting, since the machine *wasn't* meant to destroy. But it certainly did, i suppose

Yes and no. Think of compounding. An electrum misting can burn feruchemically charged electrum for a different effect. (Yes, in existing instances of this, the person has also been a ferring of that metal, which you might say is the reason they can do this, but I'm not sure that's true. Vin's experiment burning one of Sazed's metalminds indicates this- she felt the power, it wasn't just a normal effect, she just wasn't able to access it because of identity issues.) Adding investiture to a metal can change the effect, but doesn't change who can burn it. Godmetals are just solid investiture. Alloying a godmetal with electrum is probably, imo, like adding investiture to electrum by storing in it, just on a larger scale. So anyone who can burn electrum can burn the alloy. Godmetals can be burned by anyone afterall, and it would make sense that adding electrum means it can be burned by people who can burn electrum, rather than needing a whole new set of mistings. It would make way more sense if the "atium" mistings were really just electrum mistings, and i don't think anything in the text invalidates that possibility

not necessarily. invested metals are harder to affect than non-invested metals, including by leeching. If someone has normal metals and metalminds in their bodies, the normal metals will leech away first. Wax is an iron ferring, who i believe was explicitly stated in this book to have some metalminds implanted under his skin to make sure he always has access to them. If you can burn a metalmind for its normal allomantic attribute, and I would think you could, then he could have burned just a fraction of a metalmind that would have survived the leeching.

The Atium retcon offers a possible alternative explanation but also raises new questions. Since we know the atium used was actually nalatium, an atium-electrum alloy, and that "atium mistings" were actually electrum mistings, we can assume the same is true of feruchemy since they're working with the same alloy, which would mean the spikes granting F!Atium are actually granting F!Electrum. Now what does F!Electrum store? Determination. Huh. This is where the new questions come in, cause why the heck would Ruin want inquisitors that can store and tap determination? If they tap a whole bunch, that might be enough to resist him for a little bit. Maybe he wants them constantly *tapping* determination so they'd be less able to resist him, but that just seems like far too risky a play since they could still tap the metalmind the moment the control slips a little. So basically, Ruin might not have cared about having inquisitors with F!(nal)atium, he might have wanted inquisitors with F!electrum, but really neither one makes much sense

Maybe eventually, after they ruled out the possibility of creating lerasium, but they were highly interested in making a new mistborn and I doubt they'd even discover the explosive reaction if they weren't trying to make it

Do we know that all the other shards were never held by someone other than the original vessel? Cause if not,

I wonder if the knight/squire is this kind of relationship too. If the aviar have a luhel bond with their parasite and a spiritbond with their person that lets them grant that person powers, that seems comparable to a Knight getting their powers from a nahel bond with their spren and squires getting their powers from a bond with that knight

I'm not sure about that. Corrupted investiture is associated with the color red; and we've seen it when the investiture of one shard co-opts the investiture of another. So if the black smoke was because of corruption, then since Nightblood was made with Breaths, there wouldn't be much of a reason for a color change when he consumes Breaths. Ruin, however, is associated with black investiture, and the command used to create nightblood was "Destroy", a very Ruinous intent. (And there is a WOB that nightblood, in some unspecified way more than the background level of association of everything in the cosmere, associated with ruin to a degree). So it is plausible that the black smoke could be ruin investiture, potentially. However, this probably isn't the thread for that discussion. As for the question OP asked, the answer is probably pretty boring tbh. It would probably just push the smoke away from itself, like if you had a fan blowing toward regular smoke. It might even push Nightblood itself away, since we've seen it repel godmetals, but tbh that's not a battle I see see the trellium winning lol

Hmm... "heat" is, scientifically, just kinetic energy. I wonder if you could use brassminds, then, to store kinetic energy, and make impacts not do damage? This would be an advanced application of the magic of course; presumably not something any old firesoul could do without a lot of outside help but it does seem doable.

Yeah those all seem reasonable. Seeing other spore eaters would be cool, but I doubt we're seeing too much more of Lumar sadly and aethers elsewhere seem to work a little different. (Also side note- I expected the Sorceress to be a Midnight spore-eater who managed to control her infection.)

Here's what brandon said Link: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/256/#e8605 However, you're not entirely wrong either. The aethers do predate the shattering for sure, and say they predate adolnasium itself but that's not necessarily true- Moonlight and Twinsoul have a brief discussion to that effect. Same with them being separate from the shards; the aethers do say that, but that doesn't mean they're right. Really, we don't have enough info about either the aethers or adolnasium to say one way or another. Which is what I was getting at- I didn't mean that the aethers for sure weren't independent, but that it's disputed that they're independent, so their investiture being partially associated with autonomy in some way isn't completely out of the question

Yeah I think it must be this. Marsh's image is spreading cosmerewide as death, for some reason

(Better known as cultivation)

Most people on Nalthis don't have a lot of breath. The baseline is that everyone has one breath. I imagine even among those who can't afford to buy breath, there's some variation in this. There's drabs of course, who sold their breath to the returned. But I also have to imagine it's pretty common practice for people to pass on their breath to family or friends when they die and that cultural customs kind of built up around this with it being common practice for people to stick close to their loved ones who are sick. So it probably isn't too unlikely that even every day people have access to two, three, even a dozen breaths if they're lucky that have built up overtime. (Though of course, selling breath to get through hard times probably limits build up and contributes to the rich and returned being able to get them more easily, like we see). All this is to say, it wouldn't be uncommon for people to have access to a couple breaths that they can do stuff with. And everyone, who hasn't sold or otherwise given up their breath, has access to at least one. So what are some commands you think everyday people might be able to use with their one or two or so breaths that would be useful to them? One example of a known one-breath command is of course the creation of lifeless, though this is a bit of an odd one since you can't retrieve the breath afterwards. So while it's possible someone might see it worth their while to create a lifeless to have an extra set of hands helping out, it probably isn't the norm. But what about more average, very simple to commands? One possibility is you might be able to use a breath as a timer. Perhaps you could invest your breath in some object with the command "return after an hour" to let you know when an hour has passed by your breath returning to you. What are some commands you can think of that you might be able to do with only one or two breaths that would be useful for the average working person?

Oh i like that idea a lot!