Mat

So wait, your analysis is that the reasons behind the xino train are bad, but since xino didn’t say that, he’s more likely to be elim? Cause that’s odd if you yourself are the one saying the reasons are bad but still vote him Illwei being like “xino village” “wait never mind for x reasons” “actually x reasons don’t apply” is tripping me up

Self pres is NAI (meaning it isn't suspicious, but also isn't a reason to village read someone) so Ash voting in self pres right now puts them even for that. I guess I'm more interested in why you picked Ash the first time you did, but if it's just gut I guess there isn't anything besides that. Fair enough.

What for? I don't recall you ever posting thoughts on Ash and that statement makes it seem like more than self pres. @The Bookwyrm I'd also like an answer to this Ah, well, sorry. I thought you were decently active D1 of the last game, just not the turn we killed you :P. Maybe that's just a false memory. So like I saw the lower activity as a thing of circumstance and not a conscious change. If that makes sense. I compared this to what was in my head for D1 of the QF to what I remember of previous games and got a 'seems normal' which is code for 'waiting to do VC analysis'. What do you think of the xino train?

This will probably be a bit more concise than I'd like (future Mat about to post this is laughing at past Mat and shaking his head at past Mat's ignorance) due to it being the school week but we'll see how this goes. I'm more suited for PMing back and forth right now but whatever Rereading the turn, and like three variants of the same reads list: Variant One, AKA Typical Reads List: Ash: Questioning Bookwyrm is good but I guess he didn't like their answer :P. I think I default to Null- for Ash but I think Null here. Some linkage to other elim reads that I'm noting for later, though. Wiz: I think the only fair place I can put Wiz is in Null, since I have an extensive history of voting v!Wiz early and here I am voting Wiz again. I still don't like the timing of his vote or the lack of other posts so idk. I guess he did poke Turtle (@Kasimir-- my gut says that's normal for Wiz but I'd have to check) but that doesn't make me lean one way or the other. I think I'll probably defer to the majority regarding Wiz for now, which is awkward since a few people want to defer to me Conq: I like his xino thought, and he's been friendly in PMs. Less active than normal but I think I'm ok leaning slight village. Would like to see more from him though. TUN: I think his nonchalance is more village indicative than not, but this post makes me pause since it's not all that nonchalant... Null-. Getting ganged up on about voting feels like it should mean something but idk what. Opinions are entitled to be had. Unsure as usual. Illwei: Her start reminds me of last game where she was elim but also that's just how Illwei plays so that's not a valid point. I like her xino take, it makes sense. Null+ Shining: I'm like legitimately scared to village read Shining, there's a few things (more than usual engagement, possible links with other elim reads, testing the waters for suspicions in PMs like I've done as elim before) but also I get a village tone in general from him. Slight village but warily. He's a good player. Cinnamon: Retaliation votes Ash, then apologizes but doesn't unvote which is odd to me. In that same post they ask why Illwei said xino was village, which is the most thread interaction they've had outside of voting and I think that's notable. I think I land slight elim here because of that xino link, but also because of their retaliation vote, in a different way from Silvereye in that their retraction-but-not-really seems like it could have come from coaching. Since that'd be a weird thing to do by itself, imo. Idk maybe I just don't like retaliation votes JNV: I'm slightly put off by how strongly JNV made their poke vote stance clear this game as opposed to other games, but I proved to myself that's NAI and so I suppose I resolve to Null. But if I went off my gut it'd be a very small elim lean. So I guess Null- shadow: Absent, but with reason so that's fine. I know Kas sees her claiming village as v indicative but I don't. Null. Archivist: I know they've posted but I cannot for the life of me remember what it was even though I just reread the thread. Null. Silvereye: Retaliation votes me then walks it back, which... eh. I see where Stick is coming from. Slight elim. Dannnnnnex: On one hand, the sword vote continuation is a great way to not contribute and saying there's nothing to talk about is demonstratably false. On the other hand I buy that v!Dannex does that anyway :P. I think Null- though. xino: I think Illwei's comment is valid and it's interesting to me that she didn't vote him. Also interesting to me that Shining v read xino out of the gate. I think I defer to Illwei's take here. Slight elim. Devo: Since my D1 reads are dubious anyway and I have trouble reading Devo (getting better though!) I'll default to Kas' read and say Null+ as I have no idea. Revisiting this later. Bookwyrm: Lean slight village if I had a gun to my head. I think there's a possibility they've had coaching within the elim doc, but ultimately their thought processes (especially their Ash vote) read to me as sincere and wholesome, things which the Spiked are not. The Kas vote I don't think happens if the e!Bookwyrm's teammates have talked about Kas in any detail at all in the doc (assuming v!Kas) but idk if both are e how that would work :P. Turtle: Hasn't posted, Null. Stick: I like her vote jumpiness. That's subject to change if the people she hopped off of start flipping elim, but for the state of the D1 thread I think it kept the pressure and focus moving which is useful. Slight village. Kas: Not getting the vibe I did when I IDd e!Kas in the thread or in PMs and that's good enough for me right now. Slight village. Alv: Null, though I am eager to find out how many elims he can kill if he's village Variant Two, AKA Copying Kas: Wouldn't Mind If They Died (Not Necessarily Who I'd Vote Though): Ash, Wiz, TUN, Cinnamon, JNV, shadow, Archivist, Silverye, Dannex, xino, Turtle, Alv Would Mind If They Died (AKA Definitely Won't Vote): Conq, Illwei, Shining, Devo, Bookwyrm, Stick, Kas Variant Three, AKA Typical Tier List: Kas, Stick Bookwyrm, Conq, Shining Devo, Illwei shadow, Archivist, Alv, Turtle, Ash Wiz, TUN, Dannex, JNV Cinnamon, Silvereye, xino I don't think I could live with myself if I killed v!Wiz D1 again, but I'm not throwing my gut out the window entirely either. I trust myself late game much more than I do D1 so I'd rather save Wiz for then. For today, I think I'll propose xino as a countertrain to Bookwyrm-- I'd rather not kill a new player D1 (besides, leaning village there) and I think Illwei's case is alright (though she didn't ever vote, which is interesting) and Conq and Stick both seem okay to me at the current stage (voting xino/voted on by xino, respectively). Not directly opposed to Ash either and if the trains stay as there are (ha) I'll vote there over Bookwyrm. It does look like rollover is at a bad time for me being online though. @ me with questions and things, off to be productive since this took way too long :P. VC for posterity (and Araris) which is hopefully correct: TUN (1): TUN Bookwyrm (2): Kas, Ash Ash (2): Cinnamon, Shining Stick (1): Xino Xino (2): Conq, Mat Mat (1): Danex Turtle (1): Wiz Kas (1): Bookwyrm Silvereye (1): Stick

What about the D1 vote is likely if not almost certain to kill a villager? Or voting ‘without evidence’? Cause evidence is hard to come by without a lucky Seeker scan and we shouldn’t rely on that. And the D1 vote has successfully found elims many times in the past. And besides, I think wrong with a higher chance of being right later brings more village wins than striving to be wrong as few times as humanly possible, but I feel like this is the sort of thing where we agree to disagree. All this to say, vote if you want, there will be enough people that do to make it so it doesn’t really matter Especially D1.

Oh come on, this is page four. I’m sure you can come up with something beyond a lazy continuation vote

False, you should do it anyway since it adds to the larger interest of the village for information gathering purposes. Votes a lot of the time mean intentions, and intentions a lot of the time mean alignment. It’s why VC analysis is so helpful when you know what to look for. I like the effort of Shining’s list, he really is going at it this game. It wouldn’t be unreasonable to read the sudden gusto as elim but I honestly just don’t want to since there isn’t a reason for me to outside of it being different. And it’s a good difference, imo. Though I am interested in a few reads of his, particularly xino/Illwei. And him agreeing with me about Wiz furthers my internal crisis about my vote >>

So… are you rethinking your previous statement? Or saying that it wasn’t ever valid.

It’s gotta be green for the unvote to count, btw. Assuming that’s what you were trying to do. What made you sorry about it, out of curiosity? Just trying to get a feel for your thought process.

Yeah, I realized after posting that I fell into the same pattern as like every other game we’ve played but idk >> What can I say if I think your early votes are suspicious? I guess that you’ve been village every time I’ve gone after you.

Appreciate the effort but I'm still going to take my own here LG89: (Elim) Votes teammate Stick with reasoning late into cycle, first post QF62: (Village) Votes with reasoning late into cycle, second post MR59 (Village): Didn't vote at all (three posts) LG87 (Neutral Faction): Didn't vote at all (one post) MR58 (Village): Votes Archer for poke-voting (though with a joking tone), first post QF60 (Village): Votes xino with some amount of reasoning, first post So in conclusion, yeah you've always been anti-poke as far as I can tell and there wasn't a difference from when you were village and when you weren't. And that's what I expected but I still thought it was worth verifying since I barely can keep track of my own meta, don't ask me to remember everyone else's :P.

I made a tab group with JNV’s last like six or seven games open in it, but never had time to comb through them all :P. But the tab group’s presence on my computer will make me do it eventually. Today :P.

Gotcha, I’ll save you the pain of me trying to get a reason out of you again and just assume I understand Doesn’t mean he’s not evil I mean… he’s in the elim doc, no? Seems kinda sus ngl

Technically, they’re the same as everyone else’s If that’s the case, I have a looooooot of teammates @Kasimir I forget if Ash has posted and I don’t have the time right now to check (even though it wouldn’t be… that hard) and for me that makes a difference in how I regard your vote, has he, if so, does that post influence your vote at all?

Just out of curiosity I'm going to fact check this, see if past you has poke voted or not, that kind of thing. I expect not but it's worth seeing if I've caught you in an easy contradiction

As if that isn’t how I’m always voted out /jk Wiz I’ll be afk for the next few hours, pop in once, then I have work tonight so I’ll be gone then too. As a heads up.

Silvereye Pretty much I’m wanting to RP more this game, since I’ve sorta forgotten about that part of the game. Just one time would be an improvement, so here’s that. *** Something was wrong. An unsettling feeling touched Adam’s spine lightly, and he hastily searched for the source of the problem. There. A piece of paper, about halfway through the stack on his desk, was out of place. Adam nudged the corner, completely aligning the stack. Immediately the distressed feeling in the back of his head vanished. He’d always had a sixth sense when it came to spotting small order discrepancies, which was useful when they annoyed him so much. The stack in question were research notes taken with his own hand. Notes that explored the Koloss; their behavior, theories on origin, and anything else he could find. Most folk avoided thinking about the beasts like the plague, and Adam’s own fascination with them was by far his most polarizing trait. Though, with the impending threat of the Spiked and the assembling Koloss army, he figured the other members of this town would be glad to have an expert close by. A self proclaimed expert, anyway.

(Third) Excited to play! First time we’ve had 20+ in a long time. Probably allows for a more interesting distro, but I only say that because I have an interesting history with Tyrian distro guessing I forget— are group PMs allowed?

Here’s the QF list: @Illwei @Fifth Scholar @Szeth_Pancakes @Araris Valerian Me I’m assuming Araris doesn’t want to run two games at once, and I haven’t seen Szeth in a while (looks like their last log-on was in March) but idk on Illwei/Fifth. Happy to do it if no one above me wants to.

Or just like “First”

Thanks for running the game, Archer! Your writeups were a delight. Glad I gave myself a second wind before I was murdered I thought the balance was pretty good; the extra life opportunity obviously didn’t come into play though (which imo was better balanced anyway, but I’m biased ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ) I am curious, though— did anyone get their coin date? Ever? xD I don’t have much to say about the variable rollover times since the window was basically the same hours I couldn’t be online, but the one day I was there during the time frame it made the stakes feel higher to me. I imagine it was worse for the elims and wouldn’t be opposed to anyone calling the mechanic an elim nerf. In that way the extra life makes sense, I suppose. Conq, Shining, Mark— excellent analysis. Impressive showing in those later cycles! And xino I think had a perfect voting record, so nicely done there as well.

The Dalryans send their fair princess to the kingdom of Siwuulla, in hopes to forge a marriage alliance.

My character will be Adam, a Koloss researcher and expert who was sent to the town as an asset during these hard times. Or was he… only time will tell

You should totally just play But if you’d rather spectate again I guess you can