Eternal Khol

Which quote?

Hoid still fits those parameters. Not a shard. Part of the plot to kill Adonalsium. Therefore part of the opposition

That must've been what it reminded me of. I kept wondering why it seemed so familiar

What do you mean?

Here a sermon of the prevailing religion in the book: Alondin

"Let the executions begin." -The Lord Ruler

Brandon took the Night Aether in this book and kinda turned it into the Midnight Essance of the Stormlight Archive. You'll notice lots of similarities there. Makkal was trapped in Chaos, or Night. Agaris was trapped in Order, or Illuminous, which is what the Vo-Dari use to Send. They were both still in their prisons, but they were capable of seeing and influencing the world through the people. They were only let out of their prisons in the epilogue I never got the impression it was the actual Ancestors, I think they were just saying that to mess with their minds. Agaris isn't really "Controlling" them. They believe he's their god and they do what he says The Forgotten were made from the Aether of Night but not Aethers themselves. I think the Aether of Night can be used to make anything, but the humans just used it to make soldiers to kill each other like the twins wanted. Tools of destruction. There's one chapter where Raeth forms the night to save Darro from falling hundreds of feet. Raeth asks Makkal what he can do with the Night, and Makkal says "what can't you do?" Only the source of Night and Illuminous were counted as perpendicularities. "Ferrous and Bestarin canceled one another. More was necessary. Amberite and Verdant canceled one another. Then my sons did that which was forbidden, granting men Order and Chaos in pure forms. Macen I have read White Sand and Aether of Night, and I don't know why they're not published because I loved both of them. Brandon Sanderson White Sand is not published because I don't feel that for one, Kenton has the depth of character that I like to have nowadays. He's more an old school character of mine where he just isn't, personality wise, doesn't have quite enough. Beyond that I feel that White Sand as a narrative meanders a little too much. I feel if I cut back about a thousand words and fix him, we would have a good book. Aether is not published because I feel that I wrote two different books and didn't blend them together very well. There is the kind of farcical, Shakespearean, switched places, silliness, and it's fun, but it's like a mistaken identity almost sort of stuff and romance and things like that mixed with these dark things are coming out of the shard pool and destroying the world. And those two stories never meshed together well enough for me to want to publish them. Words of Radiance Omaha signing (March 13, 2014) Questioner Is Re-Shephir related at all to the Midnight Essence in Aether of Night? Brandon Sanderson Yes. It's me, like-- Related in that Aether of Night isn't canon, and I really liked how that worked in the cosmere, and I ported it to this instead. So that's like-- Questioner So you're not gonna write Aether of Night? Brandon Sanderson Aether of Night, I might eventually write, but the Mid-- Questioner It may be different? Brandon Sanderson Yeah. Oathbringer release party (Nov. 13, 2017)

I think they used the excess investiture flowing from the perpendicularity, not necessarily the perpendicularity itself. Slight difference I was trying to make a point here, but I forget. The theory itself probably still holds

I think its just a matter of The Vessels perception. Rayse hold Odium which brandon said in a WoB is "arguably that step toward just being all Passion" Rayse sees that Hatred as "Passion" because he probably sees that Intent as being very Passionate. So you can argue that he is "Passion" because thats how he views himself and perception is very important in the Cosmere. But he's still Odium because even thought he's filtering the intent of the Shard to view it as "Passion" he'll never leave an imprint on that shard and its Intent will never change.

You cant just use the investiture from a perpendicularity, otherwise there would be no perpendicularity

She never explicitly says its the first three planets that are inhabited. Just that 3 of them are with a 4th in the habitable zone. The chances that its the first 3 are pretty high. But its never directly stated

I saw a WoB on it. Its not a direct confirmation but I take it as a "if someone were smart enough" thing Fantasy Faction Could any type of spren bond with a person (even if the results wouldn't be a Knight Radiant)? Or only the ones associated with a branch of the Knights? Brandon Sanderson Ooh, that's an excellent question. This is something theoretically possible for a lesser spren to achieve. Fantasy Faction interview (April 24, 2014)

You can bond lesser spren. It wont give you a surge or anything but you can do it

I would, but it never lets me do a lot of these things when Im on mobile

Its never directly stated or anything. Theyre both mad. Ash just doesn't have it as bad Maybe he was her guard and they fell in love. Ash might've been born on Roshar while all the others made the trip from Ashyn. I wonder how much older he is.

You really should give it a read. I dont know if it was because so many elements were familiar from MTFE but I absolutely adored this book I haven't gotten Final Empire Prime yet. Its at the top of my list though because the Lord Ruler is my absolute fav character and I want to see his origins.

you can email Brandon and ask for a copy. but with how busy he is, he probably wont get to it for the better part of a year. maybe longer. @Rask It does remind me a lot of that Dalinar Oath, now that I think of it.

I recently read Mistborn prime and figured id do a review on it. Let me start this off by saying, I really enjoyed the book. there was so much more world-building and thought put into this book than I had expected. Brandon tried writing Mistborn Prime to be shorter than other novels he wrote before. The whole book felt kind of rushed and had pacing issues. And the characters and plot are definitely the weak point of this novel. But the Magic, action scenes and worldbuilding really make up for it, in my opinion. The Plot: The main character, Kathin, is the son of Ivel - a "Ward of Alondin" - who are Mistborn who work for the Empire and its people. The Prologue(which is available on Brandons website) begins with Kathin's parents being found and killed by Vlen, an Ex-Ward who has joined a dark Sect of Mistborn who believe they should have control of "The Valley";The area which the Empire rules. Kathin, himself, is a Mistborn like his father, so after Vlen kills his parents, he decides to take Kathin and raise him as his own and train him to be a powerful Mistborn Assassin. Flash-forward 19-20 years and Kathin has already "accomplished" many things in his time, like assassinating the Emperor and hunting down the remaining Wards; for they were the only ones who stood a chance at stopping him. In the present, Kathin and two other mistborn are on a mission to kill the king of one of the many kingdoms that formed after the collapse of the Empire(reminiscent of how The Final Empire was after the death of The Lord Ruler) Only, Kathin is betrayed by one of his fellow Mistborn and barely escapes into the country side, extremely wounded. He ends up being found and taken in by a family who lives in a small farming village. Eventually Kathin notices that the village residents seem to be healthier than the state of their village and crops(that aren't being taken as "tributes" by the areas "king") imply. There turns out to be a second unknown Plator(Atium) mine nearby that some of the town residents have been mining the plator to sell to feed the town. Kathin spends his time recuperating and planning on how he's going to get revenge on the Mistborn who betrayed him and get back his position of power, as well as secure the mine for himself. Slowly Kathin starts to develop feelings for the family(Specifically Rosela) and the other villagers who took him in; he’s completely clueless as to why he is feeling what he's feeling because he never got anything like that from his adoptive father Vlen- who was always more of a Commander,a tutor, a teacher,etc... he needs the Plator before he can confront the Mistborn who betrayed him. He could just kill the villagers and take it like he was taught, but something is holding him back, a feeling he doesn't quite understand. So instead he agrees to teach the villagers to defend themselves in exchange for the Plator. Eventually Kathin realizes that there is Love and Trust and all these other things in the world(pretty cliche). the book ends with Kathin and Rosela getting married and Kathin deciding to rebuild the empire he himself had destroyed. The Magic: Allomancy functions practically the same as it does in the published books and seems to be the only magic of this world besides Kandra and the Mist, which if you read the Prologue, was still a worldbuilding/magic element connected to Allomancy. Mistings were not a thing in this novel; only Mistborn existed. There were a couple weird abilites that this versions Mistborn had. The first ability being that, using their hands, Mistborn were capable of shaping and manipulating metal as if it were clay. This is much like the Surge of Cohesion in the Stormlight Archive, but its a passive effect. This allows for them to always have easy access to metals when they need them. The second ability is being to burn metals in their own bodies as well as someone else's body(even if they aren't an Allomancer) that person just has to ingest the metal or have it in their blood. The Mistborn then just has to touch the other person with the intent of burning the metals in them. Savantism was not a thing, though there was a side effect to burning metals in this version of Allomancy, though not as severe or dramatic as savantism(Hello Spook). Years of burning metals would eventually darken the Mistborns skin and leave it a almost metallic gray color that, by those who knew, could be used to identify one as a Mistborn. The Mist is still Connected to Mistborn/Allomancy in this version, though there are 2 types of Mist. there's the thicker Nightmist, and the thinner Dayfog. The main and only religion we see in the novel states that regular people were born/created from the Dayfog, while some Mistborn believed(as their name implies) that they were born of the Mist. Allomancy, it seems, when being used for bad or evil purposes attracted the Nightmist(like it does in the published books) and repelled the Dayfog(like an Allomancer who has a hemalurgic spike) but it seems that when using Allomancy for good or to save people, the user would attract the Dayfog and repell the Nightmist. There are nine “Prime Metals" that the Mistborn use There is a "tenth" metal that isn't actually a metal, but.. My Thoughts: Overall, I thought this was a pretty solid book. Maybe even better than Aether Of Night(in my opinion). It had quite a few good fight scenes-including a scene with a mistwraith. The main characters casual thoughts about murdering the family that took him in were interesting, as was his complete lack of understanding of why he was developing feelings for them. I loved the nomenclature used, especially in the names. For example- “Vlen Korvleshor” & “Ivel/Kathin Shardesk- these are just such commanding names and it fits with the theme of the book. I thought Oresoor was a much better character in this book than he was in the published works. i guess a lot of people felt the same way and in one of the annotations for The Final Empire, Brandon mentions that he really had to tone down Oreseur's character because people liked him to much in this version. He generally wasn't afraid to state how he felt and his opinions on things. After Kathin made him turn into a dog he was kinda passive aggressive with Kathin which i found entertaining. The lifestyle/training of the Kandra was also explored a little more in the Prime, which i really liked reading as we didnt get as much of that in the published works(certain aspects anyway) Transplants: - Sebruki from Shadows for Silence in the Forests of Hell seems to have originated in this novel with the same name and somewhat similar story and personality - "Anyone will betray you" is the "Primary Tenet of the Mistborn" in this novel, which is what i noticed "Reen" would whisper to Vin in The Final Empire and Hero of Ages - Oresoor/Oreseur is the only character to make it into the published books. - Pilevines seem to have been transplanted straight onto Roshar(mention in Rhythm of War) Edit 2021: if you dont mind the lacking plot and pretty uninteresting characters, i would definitely give this novel a read. The Worldbuilding is surprisingly well developed and the magic/fights are pretty storming great.(Brandon lifted a number of elements from fight scenes, straight from the prime and used them in either TFE or WoA) Even over a year later and im still shocked by the level of worldbuilding in this novel. Its a pretty boring story, but i think the Worldbuilding makes up for it and think that it couldve been published with a little work.(still do think)

I definitely recommend asking for Aether of Night. Its a little rough around the edges, but arguably just as good as the published books Welcome to the Shard!

WhiteSand Prose really is better than the Graphic novels, in my opinion.

From the illustration right before chapter 15 of the Dragonsteel Edition. is this supposed to be hoid?

I think I might've seen a WoB that they're also just a more rare type of spren. And with what @Honorless said in Option B. They just might not in the area

Thats my thought too.

Brandon said that he plans on introducing Darro from Aether of Night in the book Nightblood. Im really hoping he'll be a worldhopper and not just a character transplant.

"In one room he passed, the occupant, a young man, hovered in the air reading a book; and in another, an elderly woman tapped on a cup, idly changing the color of its liquid inside with each tap. In <Suigmaat>, indeed upon on this entire land, every disease also granted a special capacity. That ability lasted as long as the ailment did. Many of these blessings were minor, while others were grand. Some few were very, very dangerous. And hence the existence of the Incubators themselves." It seems they had precursors of Transformation and Gravitation. they seem far less constrained in what they can do with their powers. they probably couldn't control them all that well either. they could probably use their ability as much as they want, with no need for stormlight and thats what lead to the planet burning some diseases stay with you for life but go dormant. I wonder if this had anything to do with it.