Friendshipspren

So I have heard that tlr had atleast one son or daughter named Lutha ? So what happened to his wife or mistress and his child(Ren) ? Were they all killed during the first few centuries of turmoil ? If not, why didn't rashek create a dynasty ? Letting his son or daughter inherit and die in peace instead of being tortured by Ruin or u know head over to nalthis to gain the fifth heightening . Which begs the question , were his children fullborn or atleast mistborn or feruchemist or twinborn ? Could he have over the centuries have carried out a eugenics program with himself and his progeny , have taken or (and) made his children take mistborn or feruchemist mistresses or wives or husbands or misters . Eventually he might have had a fullborn kid. Hey wait a minute. He had the Lerasium , two beads of it. Couldn't he have had a normal feruchemist kid and then fed him the Lerasium. There could have easily been 3 lrs over the millennium and then the tlr at the time could have ascended again and gotten a few more nuggets of Lerasium which this time they wouldn't be forced to use as bribes to gain allies. So why didn't that happen ? Did Ruin somehow make sure all such attempts would fail ? Did tlr did not want to let go of power and had his kids murdered like chronos from Greek mythology , afraid they would usurp him ? What do u think happened ? Any WoBs ?

Ok so we know Ruin was able to talk to rashek , eventually driving him insane. But how exactly ? An obvious explaination would be hemalurgy. But I doubt tlr was that stupid. He knew exactly what hemalurgy could lead to. So could it be he was slightly insane . I mean when he first ascended he did a lot of mistakes resulting in probably millions of death. Not to mention he had to turn his entire feruchemist brethren including his friends and family into mush. Then I guess he had a rough couple of centuries. What with all the rebellions and the unsuccessful attempts at his life and the successful ones at his lovers and children. ( I heard he had atleast one kid named Lutha, after whom luthadel was named ) I guess it would drive anyone bonkers. But my favourite theory is that it was the atium bracers . Not only did he burn atium but also had the bracers piercing his skin and while they weren't hemalurgically charged , they were Ruin's physical essence. So I guess him having to rely on atium compounding 24*7 meant he had a direct connection to Ruin all the time ? Or could it be that ruin hated him and concentrated his efforts on him enough to speak him even without any holes in his spiritweb ? Or is it a combination of all these factors , except hemalurgy , that's just stupid. Then there's the fact that rashek ascended and unlike Vin he allowed the power of preservation to channel through him. That should have made him atleast a bit immune to ruin , right ? Do we have any WoBs on this ?

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So we know that on Scadrial , there are there magic systems , two pure ones ,i.e, ,allomancy and hemalurgy ; one hybrid ,i.e, feruchemy. Feruchemy was the result of the investiture of two shards interacting. So by the same standards , shouldn't Roshar have 7 magic systems. A pure one from honor A pure one from cultivation A pure one from Odium A hybrid from Honor and Cultivation A hybrid from Honor and Odium A hybrid from Cultivation and Odium And one hybrid from all 3 Shards. Yet so far we have seen only two systems. Surgebinding and Voidbindings. I'm pretty sure Surgebinding is a hybrid system of Honor and Cultivation. And I'm willing to bet 10 firemarks that Voidbinding is a hybrid too. I mean look at the two systems. They are more alike than not. The notable difference is that Voidbinding requires voidlight and that the singers can utilize only one surge at a time. However , they can swap the surges like how they swap forms right ? Look at Scadrial , allomancy and hemalurgy have nothing in common , except for metals being thier common focus. But both Surgebinding and Voidbinding use Spren as focal points but are also extremely similar. So since it shares so many similarities with Surgebinding , I'm guessing Voidbinding is a hybrid system between Odium and another shard formed by sheer accident much like feruchemy . Which begs the question , where are the other 5 magic systems ? Idk if u can count the old magic as a magic system as the only entity capable of practicing it is the Nightwatcher , who's a super Spren. So any thoughts ?

Ok thanks. I was wondering why tlr simply made inquisitors that way. But thought maybe he couldn't get his hand on the required mistborn and was afraid it would make them too powerful and non controllable. This makes much more sense.

Oh kk. Thanks. I wonder why I haven't heard that abbreviation before.

So Atium removes all powers right ? So suppose I spiked a mistborn and used it on myself . Would I became a Mistborn with all 16 powers ?? What if I spiked Tlr ? Would I become Fullborn , all 32 abilities and compounding included ? Would Tlr survive the process ? If he does , would he still be Fullborn ? Or would he become a normie human ? Would he be ' worse than a drab ' ? Would a single spike accomplish all this ?

What are the three C's ?

Well yeah I know. But Wax is more the adventurous aspect of Indiana Jones , than the quite deductive genius aspect of Sherlock Holmes. And he's not... Not really like Sherlock. The vibes are very , very different

So Elendel is somewhat based on Victorian England right. So I was wondering how my favorite character of that genre would live in Elendel Now analoges of Sherlock Holmes are quite common and can be found inany genres and I thought how about one in Elendel. I was thinking her / him being non-metalborn at first. Then the charecter moved to being a bronze Ferring , then an Allomancer , then as I was moving onto twinborn , I got this idea. Now , Sherlock Holmes and his analoges are famous for making astounding observations based on the most trivial and non-conspicuous details in extremely little time. Now it would be impossible in real life. While it seems simple when Holmeian charecters explain thier chain of deductive reasoning. But There's no way one could actually do that ..... Unless , one could think 50 times faster than average. Viola , ladies and gentlemen , I give u Sherlock Holmes as a Zinc compounder. Could it be possible for Mr. Sanderson to make such a charecter. Wax kinda started out like him but became less deductive genius and more adventurous Indiana Jones later on. But still having a scientifically ( according to the fourth law of thermodynamics ,endemic to the Cosmere ) would be amazing. I think Brandon Sanderson could write a decent enough version. Wax , Vasher , Raoden all could count as practice , prototypes if u will. What do you think ? Maybe we should pitch this to Mr.Sanderson. Maybe it won't be too different. But then again , a Zinc compounder with the fierce yet dispassionate intellect of Sherlock Holmes going up against rogue noblemen with access to allomancy or other allomancers. Ooooooooooo If not Sanderson , then maybe some other writer getting a loan of small temporal pieces of Scadrial , namely era 2. P.S : Funnily and Ironically enough, even tho the analog is a Rioter , he himself has a composed and calm personality , almost free of emotion.

He's grumpy yes , but with style. But yeah I get ur push. I really do think he's seriously witty. Maybe the Silverlight novella(s) will show that aspect of him . Hopefully

Excuse me !!! Did u say Nazh ain't witty ???

Ah noice. He's not human anymore eh ? But what about like 1k or 2k years post shattering ? Would he have been human enough then ? Are there any races on any world descendant from him ? A likely candidate would be Taldain since he was there and it's the earliest story. But he might presumably have progeny on other worlds as well . Perhaps Scadrial or Roshar , Maybe Ashyn

So well he's 10k years old , a very voracious Traveller and I don't think we have seen anything indicating he's sterile or asexual. But I guess he could like suppress his sperm production as an affectation of his healing factor's partial suppression. So any thoughts , theories or WoBs ? I have heard one interesting if improbable ?? theory of him being the progenitor of the feruchemists.

@RShara,@Invocation , yeah I guess it is ridiculous to compare a modern country with elendel. And yeah , the originators didn't have things easy. But u seem have agreed upon a population of 10-15 million. Yeah that's fine by me.. Still I wonder if similar trends occured in the south ? If they have similarly low populations. They probably do. Well this was fun.

Nah. Like look at South Korea . It's probably tinier than elendel. And only 22% of it's land is arable. Yet they have a population of 50 million. They import a lot of food. But then again they can only farm on a fifth of the land and the land isn't as fertile as elendel's. Although I guess chemical fertilizers compensate for that. Seeing that elendel is atleast twice as large and has like 80% arable land. It's actually not hard for them to support higher populations of atleast 20 million

Oh kkkk , I made a mistake. it's not (2^10)= 1024, it's ( 2^9 )=512. I assume u will forgive my arrogance . But I digress in other matters , I sincerely doubt only 10,000 ppl made it into the caverns. I mean , at hathsin alone there were atleast 20,000 fertile terrismen and atleast a similar no of skaa and nobles. All of them fled to the caverns. It's what anyone would do when like 40 thousand Koloss are attacking u. U get into the safest place. In this case the caverns. Then there was urteau , where a lot of ppl escaped into the caverns to run from the fire raging across the city. I'm guessing at least 5000. Then fadrex where I'm sure Yomen was wise enough to here atleast 10,000 ppl into the caverns, if only as a defense against a feint by the Koloss. So u get some 50 thousand right there. So it would be : 512×50000= 25,600,000 So 25.6 million ppl.

@Karger nice to see someone who understands geometric growth. Now u said survivorians are homophobes and encourage increased fecundity. Really ?Well I didn't pay much attention to the religious parts while reading but are u sure ? I might have missed it . Can u like give some WoBs or quotes or something.

Mam I'm afraid the math isn't on ur side. Let's assume the originator population was a low 10,000 . So in 10 generations ,assuming the demographics doubled each generation. U would get the era 2 population as: (2 ^10 )×10,000= 1024*10,000=10,240,000. That's roughly 10 million. Now let's move on to more realistical terms. I think about a fourth of the era 2 population is terris. Now in HoA , it's said some 40 thousand terris refugees are at hathsin. Now many were eunuchs , so let's say about 25 thousand of them count. So if the ethnic ratio was constant through the centuries , it means about 75 thousand other ppl made it alive. So we have a total originator population of a hundred thousand. So we get : (2 ^10 )×100,000= 1024*100,000=102,400,000. That roughly 100 million. Now in best case scenario , about 150 thousand ppl made it. In that case , we have : (2 ^10 )×150,000= 1024*150,000=153,600,000. That 153.6 million Even assuming a moderate originator population of 50,000 , we get : (2 ^10 )×50,000= 1024*50,000=51,200,000. That 51 million. Geometric growth sure is amazing. So yeah , there's either a mistake by Mr. Sanderson or there's some thing at work.

I was sold at this line. I was battling depression at the time so I really liked this quote. This was so heartbreaking. I just loved this And this And I love this. Don't know why exactly. But I just love this , maybe cause this was the first time syl was being serious.

Wow I thought they were similar in size and what really boggles my mind is that it's been 300 yrs yet there is no population explosion even though the final empire had horrible conditions while elendel has self renewing land , good climes and better medicine and technology. Damnation that would be impossible irl. Up until the 18th century population was directly proportional to agricultural output . So even with the larger size , the final empire had pretty much the same agricultural output as elendel. Since : A). The land wasn't renewing. B). Large tracts of the empire was uncultivated and fallow . C). The plants were less nutritional. D). The ashfalls took thier toll even with the ash consuming microbes. The skaa had to manually remove Ash from the plants. Realistically the population of elendel should be higher than the empire or atleast in the 10s of millions. Khriss mentions that child mortality rates are quite high so that means ppl are still having more children. So why is the population so low ? Is it a blooper or is there some morbid minded entity at work ? The ruin part of Harmony maybe.

Now it has been said there are 256 possible twinborn combos but is that true ? It seems to me a twinborn can access only a metal within a quadrant. Wax has access to A-steel and F-iron. Both belong to the physical quadrant. Wayne has access to A-bendalloy and F-gold. Both are hybrid metals. Miles is a compounder so obviously he has access to only 1 quadrant. It kinda makes sense as metal within a quadrant have more in common than those without. So then I guess the twinborn are limited to the quadrants , in which case the no of combos would be 4(4*4)=64 . Of course we have only seen 3 twinborn so far. So my theory could be wrong. But I think it's likely that quadrants play a role.

Idk man. Patji is dangerous sure but Hoid has survived worse. The creatures on patji , the nightmaws , the monsters of the deep, Poisonous plants. They are dangerous to ordinary humans without access to magic or technology but Hoid can easily survive them. So I don't think autonomy would give such easy tests to Hoid. I'm sure the tests are either far more dangerous or far more complicated than just running away or killing a few animals.

Welcome to the shard And to answer ur question , allomancy doesn't follow normal genetics but has a few quirks. Firstly the genes are coded in the spiritual realm. Commonly referred to as sDNA. I think a child who would have been mistborn on Scadrial would be mistborn anywhere else in the Cosmere but if allomancers were to breed with ppl lacking sDNA , thier progeny would slowly lose allomancy and allomancers born would be more likely to be mistings and very weak ones at that. Ultimately the sDNA would be completely lost. This is a problem on Scadrial itself as generous breeding of the nobles with the skaa and the Terrismen have diluted and weakened both allomancy and feruchemy. Even without the interbreeding ,In a few centuries it's expected the potency of allomancy will keep on decreasing until it eventually platues , producing rather weak mistings and no mistborn. Interbreeding accelerates the process. And since the genes are Spiritual rather than physical , I'm pretty sure genetic engineering is out of the question. I guess hemalurgy is the closest u will get to genetic engineering with regards to sDNA I hope I kinda answered ur question.