Friendshipspren

What's the chouta comment ?

Well I was thinking more Silverlightesque than government but sure , maybe not in Hallandren but other nations. They don't have to have thier tongue Removed .That would solve half the problems , I mean susebron did just demolish the rebellion once he got his tongue. As for being oversheltered. I think living for a centuries coupled with surviving the Manywar would make them the opposite. Also it took careful planning by Denth, a returned who has lived for centuries and through the Manywar to execute the plot and he failed in the control susebron part by susebrons own actions and lightsongs loyalty

Actually my argument is the opposite . That there are other unknown secret societies in the Cosmere and a group of functionally immortal ppl who can gain knowledge , make/adjust goals and decisions , gain a cult like status and loyal followers, etc around them are among the most likely to lead one of them. I didn't actually start with this theory. I waa just wondering why there aren't any old ,old ppl seen or mentioned in Warbreaker and asked this question but then I realized they are like prime candidates for secret society leaders and adjusted my theory accordingly. Should have adjusted the title too. Oh well better late than never . I didn't even think of it that way really , but ok . Ur point about them splitting Vasher into three distinct historical entities is good. But I think it supports my theory by that it's easier for my secret leaders to never age and remain unsuspicious and inconspicuous in the eyes of the ppl.

The same could be asked of the Godkings. They have several times as many breaths and don't even bother hiding. Yet no one targets them. Why ? Cause he has armies of lifeless and a trustworthy bureaucracy who in turn won't betray cause they either believe in him or in a higher purpose ( safeguarding duty from Vasher ). And cause ppl believe he will use his breaths to defend himself if needed. Similarly , there might be a miniature cult of personality or greater purpose around a person with the fifth heightening along with a legion of lifeless. He/she could use the breaths to defend themselves as well.

Exactly . All tho maybe shallan made it up like how she made up radiant or veil. I doubt it tho. I think in the Cosmere , in the cognitive atleast, all objects have some sentience due to ambiant investiture seeping into matter. In planets like Roshar with the ongoing conflict of the shards , I think a lot of Shardic investiture has broken off and seeped into matter saturating it until they have sapience. In Sel the same has happened but perhaps as @Honorless mentioned larger quantities of matter and more abstract concepts like nations , etc are coming alive. Like i understand the dor is bound to the CR. But what happens to the investiture released by magic users in the physical. Does it return to the dor ? Or does it saturate the matter. Hmm this is the answer , the dor itself isn't gaining sentiance . It's a roiling plasma storm. But the small parts of it released by selish magic systems becomes free and not being commanded by a shard , remains free and seeps into matter supersaturating it. Like on Scadrial u had preservation and ruin. The investiture even when released would eventually wind up back in the shards . In HoA , the burned atium was unaccessible by Ruin but he knew all of it would condense back into atium in a millennium. Even if ppl burned it again. Even if it was unaccessible to Ati/ruin himself. It was still part of him. It identitified as such . So only the ambiant investiture contributed in environ- awareness. On roshar , honor is dead but large splinters like the stormfather and smaller ones like honorspren exist and most free investiture gravitates towards them . Most but not all. Hence u get greater awareness and even intelligence. On Sel however there are no vessels and the dor is locked . So all the investiture once out of the cognitive is free to super-saturate matter. Hence u might get Gaia or a AI like intelligence or something. Well ok this is my theory then.

Ok thanx. Nations that truly actually exist. Wow. That's a great concept. Perhaps it is true. Or Maybe it's more like Gaia from the Foundation series. Basically there's a planet which is alive . It is one large organism with the non living matter and live inhabitants both serving as it's cells. The main components are the ppl tho. All the individual consiousness are interconnected with each other. But Gaia is more than just the sum of the individual ppl. Just like how we are more than the collection of atoms we consist of. I mean , a corpse has just as many atoms as we living do yet it's obviously not the same as us . I haven't read the novel completely but Gaia has ambitions to become Galaxia. To spread to other planets and become a Galaxy spanning hyper-organism . I don't know if it's a good being or a bad one. I had jumped to one of the later books of the series and then decided to jump back after reading one chapter. Will reach it one day. But yeah Sanderson said he was inspired by the foundation series so maybe sel becoming sapient has it's idealogical roots in Gaia.

Oh right. Thanks weltall. Ok four centuries then. Let's say three . Still enough time esp after the chaos of the Manywar when knowledge and lifeless were widespread and lawlessness allowed for breaths to be stolen from ppl. All u need is a group of ppl with some foresight and no conscience. If 16 ppl could get together and succeed in murdering a God. I don't see why this is impossible.

Mistings or more appropriately mistborn were walking targets for Inquisitors and Obligators. They didn't have copperclouds at all times and places. They still survived. Breaths stand out more than allomancy sure , but with enough protective measures... It's not impossible again esp if u r part of a secret society.

Not 100%. So it is probable that someone could store the breath in some object and then go out in public and make ppl think u don't have lots of breath. These ppl could also be highly secretive. It's not like ppl can sense it from miles away. Secrecy , occasionally appearences without breaths , lots of protective awakened objects, loyal bodyguards , martial skill , a legion of lifeless ( maybe the initial ones were stolen during the Manywar and later u just made new ones ) should be enough to safeguard from kidnapping. And they are gonna try to kidnap u . Ur breaths die with u. So it's not like they will be trying to assassinate u. If u survive long enough . U could get a Aviar ( mraize in OB ) or hire a coppercloud ( should be easier in era 1.5 )or just get aluminum to cloak you ( again era 1.5 and u just need a few thin sheets of it ) Ok , maybe not a lot of ppl could make it. But I'm willing to bet atleast a dozen or so could , esp if they all form a secret society.

Dustbringer/LightWeaver: one soulcasts fuel and oxygen. Other burns it

Brandon said he wasn't sure. Breath is expensive but the fifth Heightening is lucrative. Also again unscrupulous methods. Torture , kidnapping , human husbandry, extortion. Maybe not in Halladren or Idris but what about the other nations , esp the seemingly collapsed and lawless regions like huth and kuth. Or before the establishment of Hallandren. I'm sure ppl who are rich enough to have 2k breaths can hire trustworthy bodyguards and such. They might be warriors themselves or have an entire menagerie of awakened objects or Lifeless to protect them There should be lots of them esp if breaths have been around for millennia.

So you can store investiture in nicrosil right. So how does that work. 1). Does it only store the ability to use other magic systems ? Like suppose I'm a twinborn and I store the ability to burn steel in an unsealed metalminds ,while not burning the metal. So when someone else taps it , do they temororarily gain the ability to burn metal but have to actually metabolize metal to use it ? 2). Suppose I burn steel but instead of using the energy to push on steel , I store it inside the metalmind. Then when someone else taps it , would they gain the ability to push without actually burning the metal. Or do both methods work ? Also suppose I'm compounding. So if I store 1 Newton of steel pushing in the metalmind and I burn it, do I get access to 10 Newtons of pushing ?

So suppose two radiants of different orders decide to use thier surges to help each. Which combos would be the best for war or peace ? I will start , WindRunners and EdgeDancers : Suppose Lift gets a piggy back ride on Kaladin. Kaladin could use Gravitation to fly , use multiple lashings to go faster but soon air friction will slow him down /harm him . But then Lift makes him and herself slick and viola . Think of any other combos, pls comment

So as we know if someone gains 2000 breaths , they reach the fifth Heightening and stop aging , get increased resistance if not downright immunity to poisons and diseases. They basically become immortal. Yet we don't find any centuries old ppl apart from Vasher , VaraTreledees (Denth), Yesteel and Arsteel ( may he not rest in peace seeing as he's clod ), we don't really see any old people. And the aforementioned people were all Returned. I find this extremely strange. Tfh is not easy to get , but it's not really uncommon among nobility or the upper merchantile classes. Besides we are talking about functional immortality. I'm sure there are many ppl who won't hesitate to use unscrupulous , brutal methods to acquire the breaths. Yet so far it seems we have seen no such ppl. Why ? Are they present but keep a low profile. If that's the case , then wouldn't they remember the events of the Manywar and have learned a lot of stuff over the centuries. And I think breaths have been around for millennia , so that means there could be people older than the kandra. People who have had a long time to think and learn and practice. Ppl who could like the Ire or the Ghostbloods are Cosmere aware and might have agendas of thier own. Could the Terriswoman who was the Idrian spy be part of that organization ? Could they be one of the 10 secret societies on Roshar ? Is that how Vasher and Vivenna were able to find a way to Roshar ?

So in her essay about Sel I arcanum unbounded, Khriss says : I read Emperor's soul after this and was very awed by the fact that the wall , etc were alive. But then I read secret history and stormlight trilogy and well the walls , sticks , etc are all alive there too. Not only are they alive they seemingly have some sapience and will as well as made clear by Shallan's attempt to turn Stick into fire and it's reply in the negative and it's adamant refusal. Indeed one could argue Roshar is more alive than Sel. Afterall Stick was able to beat shallan in a war of wills , whereas on Sel you can interforge anything as long as it has a plausible alternate history. And I can't remember any startling examples but I think the fire that kelsier used in the cognitive during his journey to the Ire was also sentiant. So what's so special about Sel ?

@AonEne oh wow ok , I never knew online sites were this much fun. Thanks for inviting me to RP , Ene. But I'm afraid I will have to decline. I have trouble enough keeping up with the theory forums. But thanks nonetheless.

Wth is a spiked cookie ?

Oh storms , right . How did I miss that ? Thanx bruh

Navani's version of the night of gavilars death. I heard it. Is there anything else ? I'm new to these things and don't know my way around yet.

They have latent feruchemy genes. That's why they can access the medallions. So far the dilution hasn't been a problem but soon the dilution might lead to those genes being bred out in most of the population. This might have huge consequences. One the southern Scadrians might have to migrate to the north , mainly to the continent having elendel. Two. It will make the Coppernet and other such inventions unaccessible. Three. The pure terrismen of elendel might develop a superiority complex. Think they are better than everyone else and see the very existance of other races as a threat to them. Brandon has repeatedly stated about how Scadrial is an experiment as to what would happen if bloodlines actually confered greater ability. Terris or atleast some of them , going all Nazi would be a great plot driver . The Terrismen are already isolationist and think themselves apart from common law and such. Even if there is no such danger. It still limits such inventions to Scadrial. It won't be a problem in era 2 , but in era 3 with Scadrial going interplanetary. It will be a problem on other planets like roshar or nalthis. Allomancy and feruchemy are different from other magic systems in that they require spiritual DNA. Spiritual DNA which is endemic to Scadrial and the result of the Ati and Leras creating a copy of humanity rather than adopting Yolish refugees or whatever. Breath and nahel bonds work with any humans. Not to mention Hoid can hardly be used as an example . He's not even human anymore as per a WoB. Also he's an original magic user from pre shattering Yolen. Probably the only one excluding the shard vessels. Scadrian magic is easier than Selish but not near as easy as Nalthisian. Without actually conjugating with Terris blooded Scadrians or using hemalurgy to atleast steal some Terris genes , I don't think u can really access it. That's my theory anyway.

Hmm I wonder how taravangian asked for my boon

I agree with honorless on this.

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