Friendshipspren

No idea who is it ?

Nope 1). This place has strange laws 2). The name of this place evokes the name of another , more popular place 3). We have a minor charecter(s) pov 4). It has been mentioned prominently in in-world literature. 5). It is mostly inhabited by a non human , sentient species but a few humans also have resided there ( temporarily )

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4). It has been mentioned prominently in in-world literature I'm a impatient person

U would have white fur I guess.

Ok they have fire. They even use it to cook and camp like we do. They can't harness electricity because if it tho , I guess. The Highstorm is a great problem yes , But I'm not talking about normal technology. I'm talking about fabriels which harness Spren. So far all the tools u need are gemstones to capture the Spren and the Spren have proven compliant. Thier constancy is the advantage. Fabrial science might actually be the easiest magic system we have seen so far. Anyone can use them , they have a variety of uses , you don't need genetically endowed ppl or expensive metals or traumatic experiences or being born in the right nation ( as on Sel ) to trap the spren. ( The crystals and gems can be Soulcast , so not very expensive). Neither are the Spren regionally locked , the exception being Shinovar. It's actually too easy. In just a few years so many advances have been made. Already they are replicating Shardplate and carrying out cross continental communication and soon they might get aircraft. These advances could have just as easily been made a 1000 yrs ago. Maybe even right after the recreance or the last desolation. All you needed were gemstones and some patience to observe the behavior of Spren ( and possibly some maths and small scale crafting and engineering which could have easily been developed in a few centuries.) Yet they weren't. Also I find it hard to believe that Odium would be so negligent as to go slumber for 4500 years , not taking technological growth into account , esp after the trouble some non-replicable Soulcasters gave him and the trouble he went to ,using Nergaoul to destroy political coherence.

Wow that's an amazing theory. At first I was like is this a joke and then it made sense. Nomadic schools of aquatic Singers moving around to avoid detection on shadesmar. Huh , hell that is an amazing thought. Maybe once the humans and voidbringers have destroyed each other and the shards are dead/emigrated , they will return back to land and restart civilization without any pesky humans I mortal or Shard form interfering.

Well roshar was United during the silver kingdoms period. All the kingdoms were interdependent. Besides even the Alethi princedoms rival elendel in size and maybe population. Places like Jah keved are as large as the Continental US and have greater populations. Fabrial science is based on the Spren which are part of the ecology. To say they are a part of the culture is an understatement.

Hell actually that's an amazing possibility. Imagine the chaos mistings or Mistborn could cause offworld while serving trell . The other worlds have little idea about allomancy and wouldn't know what hit them . Yeah

Well at the end BoM. The red eyes agent who ' rescues ' edwarn from prison says the new goal is to wipe out all life on the planet and since the set are included in that category , I believe that trell or whatever entity is supporting the set has abandoned them.

Oh kk. That's a nice plan. They could do that but then now that trell has abandoned the set , I guess the women would be dead or maybe thier children would be used on other worlds. Hmm yeah , an interesting possibility.

There's an ocean form ?!! Wth is thar supposed to do ? This is the first time I'm hearing about it

Ok u make good arguments. I will get back to you tmrw. I think roshar has been above subsistence for a long time considering the Soulcasters. And idk , could Gavilar have really been a bondsmith ? If that's the case , how was he able to wield a deadblade. Why didn't he use surgebinding when he was fighting alone against Szeth ? Also I doubt the stormfather could have been bonded that easily by a guy like gavil.

Yeah I thought dai gonarthis at first too. But then I didn't have enough proof to pin down any unmade , so I left it anonymous. I can list the unmade it isn't tho. Ashernmart , sja-anath , Moelach , Nergaoul, re-shepir, BAM if she's locked up. So it could one of the 3 remaining unmade. Or Maybe it's a new one. A tenth one. Maybe Odium created / modified it only after the last desolation so no humans know about it. Maybe it was the sibling who was Unmade !!!!!!! Now I'm moving to random guesswork instead of some coherent, educated guesswork. Still if it's the sibling who's been Unmade then perhaps one can bond with it and remove the innovation suppression from all roshar. All the Unmade huh , it is possible but wouldn't explain why Eastern Roshar has so suddenly been freed cognitively , esp in light of so many unmade roaming there. U have Moelach in kharbranth and the peaks. Nergaoul in Alethkar and Jah kaved. Ashernmart and sja anath in kholinar. Idk man

Are they ? I mean the red eyes agents of trell are. But the set members themselves aren't. And now trell wants to destroy Scadrial. I'm guessing it didn't dispense any unnecessary secrets beforehand. Edwarn is offworld. He might only come back a century or so after , if he ever does.

Hmm that was illuminative. I wonder , maybe there's a knight radiant fortress , like perhaps past radiants with access to gravitation and transportation found that landmass and established a fortress there , something to retreat to in case the continent fell to the voidbringers. Another urithiru perhaps. Maybe the sibling is hiding out there. Or it could be the place where Ba-ado-mishram is currently held captive. The SkyBreakers can access gravitation so I guess they still can go to that place. Maybe it's thier base of operations. Which means it's an enemy fortress now. Ah all this is speculation. We have nothing to go on. We will just have to RAFO.

3). We have a minor charecter(s) pov

Idk makes sense. They probably have mapped all islands nearby the continent and they dare'nt voyage beyond the point where they can't return back to land ,ere the Highstorm approaches. Besides I doubt there is any land beyond roshar anyway. Hell even roshar is an anomaly , the continent has so little volcanic activity it should have been eroded out by the ocean by now. It's the crem being deposited with every Highstorm that keeps the land in equilibrium with the sea. Although the seas are probably calmer directly west of Shinovar, even during Highstorms. We saw the smoking Soulcasters POV. It's rough but manageable. Hmmm yeah , but then again it's the shin we are talking about. But other traders could use it too. I wonder if they have tried or not. But even if they do I wonder if there's anything worth finding . Hey could there be a mirror continent on the other side ? Like it would fit right in with the symmetry fetish. I guess it's a Rafo. If they were to develop flight with enough stormlight to last some 10 days , I guess they could follow the Highstorm and circumnavigate the globe.

Nope 2). The name of this place evokes the name of another , more popular place

Ooo noice. Ok 1). This place has strange laws

Bavland

We spent 9.5 millenia developing pre - industrial revolution conditions. In order for the industrial revolution to occur lots of factors were required . *A high population which had large requirements which could be satisfied by mass production and intensive agriculture ( not required on roshar cause Soulcasters ) and which also statistically increased the number of geniuses. * Competition between nations to militaristically dominate each other via greater technological growth. *The printing press which allowed easier flow of information and greater literacy. *A high rate of literacy among the population so that more people could be involved. *Lots of interconnection between different societies allowing for technology to proliferate easily ( Roshar is literally one continent with lots of ports and good overland and naval trade routes.) * Patent rights ( azir satisfies this condition I think ) and a society which places emphasis on personal autonomy through finance which would then inspire would be inventors. ( Alethkar comes to mind as does Azir. ) *Good , strong and cheap sources of paper like papyrus, which allow literature to be copied much more economically compared to costly vellum and fragile palm leaves. * Metallurgy to aid in making printing machines ( which Soulcasters provide ) , I believe roshar has iron smelting too. * And it's a fallacy to assume necessity is the only mother of invention. In fact, many or most inventions were developed by people driven by curiosity or by a love of tinkering, in the absence of any initial demand for the product they had in mind or by accident. A good example is the history of Thomas Edison’s phonograph, the most original invention of the greatest inventor of modern times. When Edison built his first phonograph in 1877, he published an article proposing ten uses to which his invention might be put. They included preserving the last words of dying people, recording books for blind people to hear, announcing clock time, and teaching spelling. Reproduction of music was not high on Edison’s list of priorities. A few years later Edison told his assistant that his invention had no commercial value. When other entrepreneurs created jukeboxes by arranging for a phonograph to play popular music at the drop of a coin, Edison objected to this debasement, but well we know what happened and who won. And 19th-century chemists found the middle distillate fraction of crude oil useful as fuel for oil lamps. The chemists discarded the most volatile fraction (gasoline) as an unfortunate waste product—until it was found to be an ideal fuel for internal-combustion engines. So that's another non-necessity based major invention. This wasn't possible during Roman/Han/ Mauyran times since then most ppl were illiterate , paper was costly and fragile , there were no patent rights , society frowned on individualism and tended towards tribalism ( ie, your profit belongs not only to you but to ur entire tribe whether u like it or not ), no good ink , metallurgy was backward and costly , etc. The industrial revolution occured in 17th century England because all these conditions were met by then. Most of the world had satisfied all the conditions except for the desire for personal autonomy and individualism which was endemic to Europe. Europe and England in particular were just plain lucky to have a culture which placed an emphasis on that from the 14th century or earlier. Now back to topic , Roshar satisfies most of the conditions with the exception of a printing press , I guess , which they should have invented already , seeing that all the requirements and the need for movable type is present. They have ink , paper , different and pure metals/alloys for different parts of it , a good simple script, translators ,etc. They have had pre industrial Conditions for atleast a 1000 years now and the Spren and gems for far longer , , yet are in stasis. Preservation would approve but not Cultivation , which makes it all the more curious, until odium comes into the picture . Hey , yeah that's a nice catch. The listeners spent millenia lacking curiosity until 5 yrs ago. And they are right next to alethkar too. I guess our Unmade inhibited them too.

But @The traveller ur answer explains the lack of growth in traditional science but not fabriel science. Like if they didn't have the traditional alternative , they should moved towards harnessing Spren through fabriels . They had the Spren , the minds required to make inventions and the need as well ( as the recent tech boom has proved. ) Why didn't it occur sooner ? It could have occured millenia earlier . The Soulcasters inspired artifabrians and they have been around since the desolations. The artifabrial revolution could have occured soon after the fall of the hierocracy , it could have happened even sooner in the non vorin kingdoms . War isn't always bad for technology. The desolation level wars were , but most normal wars boost technology. In our world , Aircraft and motorized vehicles development made great leaps during the first world war. Nuclear and missile tech made similar bounds during the second world war. Jeeps , industrial production of chemicals , etc , were all due to war. You can follow this link to see the whole list Here. A good example would be the development of chemical weapons in ww1 which would later be adapted for synthetic fertilizer production on which half the world population now relies to not starve . The non vorin kingdoms had less shardblades and had greater necessity for developing halfshards. The invasions by the sadees the sunmaker and the shin should have made that possible. Yet it didn't happen ? Why is it only occuring in the last half decade ?

Besides , it's stated in the coppermind So a savant could perhaps have larger bubbles. Combine that with weaker pulsers and the conditions for my theory is achieved.

So khriss mentions in AU that in 300 yrs , Scadrial has made immense progress . We have seen it first hand in BoM. She also posits that without Tlr , the technology would already be space age or post scarcity. But on Roshar , it has been 4500 yrs since the last desolation and it's still in the middle age. Now I understand that Roshar and Scadrial are quite different. Scadrial doesn't have to deal with Highstorms destroying railways and other such inventions. The shardblades also serve to deincentivize guns and explosives. But even considering those factors, Roshar is extremely backward in scientific progress and technology. On Scadrial we have seen the magic system used in novel ways to fuel technology. Yet , Roshar which has Fabriel-istics, an entire magic/science system which requires only scientific research to perfect it is still so backward !!!! Anyone could do it at any time and yet , Even among spanreeds and heating fabriels ,it's only in the past 5-6 yrs that any great progress has been made in them. This progress, however , has been extremely rapid. Spanreeds, halfshards, painriels, heating fabriels , Greatbows , alarmers , emotion sensors , stormclocks ,attractors have all been devised or perfected only in the last half decade. The information based economy of Tashikk also seems recent. Then you have the hints at other Fabriels such as Navani's drawings of an inverse ship and the floating platforms which imply heavier than air flight or maybe even spacecraft. The discovery about the flamespren obeying an Heisenberg uncertainty principle analog by the ardents in the isles in WoK is also extremely recent and a breakthrough as well. Isn't it strange that these the requirements for these discoveries/improvements have been in place for millenia and yet it is only now that the potential is crystallizing ? The Vorin kingdoms have had extremely literate women and ardents studying natural sciences for millenia. The Spren have been there even longer. The Soulcasters and Regrowth fabriels were present and endured even during the desolations. The knights radiant have been gone for 2 millenia or so , allowing for fabriels to fill in the gaps. Indeed Roshar seems to have gone through technological regression since the last desolation losing every Regrowth fabriel. And now all of a sudden , just a few years before the Resurgent desolation, large strides have been made in technology . There is another curiosity , this growth has occured only in Alethkar and Jah keved . The other regions have simply imbibed them without making any original contributions. Why has real growth not occured in the Makabaki region which seems just as suitable for creativity and innovation to flourish ? It's more suitable actually , since they don't have gender or eye colour barriers to literacy , they generally have experienced greater peace than alethkar and instead have had to face a greater range of difficulties like famines for example ( Baxil's friend mentions one in living memory ), all of which foster innovation I think the answer is that there is an Unmade whose power is analogous to Nergaoul who caused the Thrill While Nergaoul enrages one's emotions , , I believe this Unmade smothers one's intellect or more likely , perhaps the positive emotions scientific curiosity arouses . Making them incapable or atleast less likely to exhibit innovation. This is similar to how soothing and rioting form a pair in allomancy. . This would explain why Roshar has been so backward in technology , even tho it had lots of time and potential. It's possible Odium used futuresight to see that technological growth would severely harm his cause Or perhaps he saw how much stronger humans became once Soulcasters and Regrowth fabriels were granted to them. So perhaps when Odium went hibernating , he realized the peacetime would allow technology to flourish and hence , he tasked one of the Unmade with strangling innovation. I think this Unmade would not have been mindless like Nergaoul , since it's task required much more precision. Also note that Soothing generally requires greater precision than Rioting. This seems to be true on Roshar as well. I also believe that this Unmade had a greater geographic range than Nergaoul or Moelech. Nergaoul settled in Alethkar until the thrill became an important part of Alethi culture and war drive , whereas Moelach moved adopted a more nomadic lifestyle , moving from one region to another dragging death rattles along with it. Our Unmade however had to cover all of Roshar. Technology has a way of spreading from one region to another , leave one small region and any tech they invent would soon spread across the continent, hence this was an absolute requirement. No region could be spared. It makes sense. Odium left Nergaoul loose to prevent political unity in roshar and Nergaoul has succeded. The 10 highly interconnected Silver kingdoms have all gotten smaller or fragmented or gone extinct and got more isolated as well. Many regions in central roshar are either unpopulated or at tribal levels of political organization. I think Nergaoul is atleast partially responsible for this situation. The Alethi unification was a freak occurrence , a deviation. Indeed , it would have been short lived too if not for the events that occured , mainly Gavilar's assassination, as we know Sadeas was planning on seizing power , Elkohar was weak ,Dalinar would have remained a drunk. Alethkar would have broken down again as it did after Sadees the Sunmaker died. So Nergaoul inhibited political unity , whereas our Unmade inhibited technological growth. As for why this smothering effects have ceased , atleast in Eastern Roshar , I believe the Sons of Honor were responsible. We know about the blacklighted gems Gavilar had and Navani says that gavilar thought he had created them. Could it be that Gavilar and the SoH , had imprisoned the part of the Unmade over Eastern Roshar ? Maybe they thought this would lead to technological growth ( a proven assumption ) which would force Odium into coming back soon , which in turn would force the heralds to return. Maybe this was one of the reasons Odium manipulated Gavilar's assassination, except Rayse didn't plan on Szeth fulfilling Gavilar's dying wish and hiding the gemstone. I think it's imprisonment is somewhat akin to Ruin's imprisonment. Like Ruin's mind was imprisoned. Similarly maybe the Unmade's mind along with part of it's body is imprisoned. The rest of it is now covering most of Roshar and smothering growth by instinct. And I admit , this following point is really teneous, but jasnah and I believe Navani too , saw a marked shift in Gavilar's personality towards the end right . Could that also be linked to the Unmade ? Maybe Gavilar was always smart , but the Unmade had suppressed that aspect of him ? Navani too seemingly went through a similar if less striking change in personality. It is only in recent years that she has immersed herself in fabriel science and while Gavilar's death and her exclusion from her usual social circles could be most of the reason. I don't think that's all. After all she could contributed more as an artifabrian even when Gavilar was alive . From what I know she was active in the community before but only later ,after becoming a widow does she show great creativity and innovation. Similarly , Maybe it was also a factor in turning Dalinar from a simpleminded brute to a philosopher. Of course , Cultivation and Honor's visions and Gavilar's death all effected him but still him going all philosophical to such an extent is a marked difference from his earlier personality in such a short term. So what do y'all think ?