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Ok ok , I got it now. U and @Pathfinder , thanks guys . So the spirit web and the spirit itself are different things. Much like a body and soul all over again.

Ok wait so was Sazed able to meet tindwyls spiritual self after he ascended. I was so crushed on finding out that she , like ,all cognitive shadows passed on after a few moments.

OMG yeah I'd understand why the kandra didn't run away. They hated the pits , wow there is something really different about thier Connection or Determination

There's a debate ? I thought they were the same thing. Like u know how a MRI scan is a map of the human body , the spirit web is a technical scan of a soul.

Idk , if the only thing changed is a few less seconds as a shadow on the cognitive realm. How bad could it be ? I mean u r already dead and even if u r in spiritual pain , it will go away in a few ( actually even fewer ) seconds anyway

Hmm u r right. Maybe I'm just not being imaginative enough

Actually I seriously think there's something really wrong going on behind the scenes of the terris. Idk man , I get a very bad vibe from them. Pretending to be all peaceful and Zen and stuff but as Wit said in WoK, thier actions give them away. I mean , Wax stops a killer from murdering a child and kills in self defense and he gets kicked out. He returns 30 yrs later and his grandma still reprimands him about it , as if he did something wrong !!!! As if he should have just let the child be killed or let himself be killed and allowed that psychopath to destroy more lives. It also kinda draws a parallel with Amaram . Acting all honourable but being a greedy, hypocritical cremhole using excuses to further his own selfishness in truth. I really don't like them. It might be cause I have some ( extremely bitter ) experience with 2 faced ppl. But I really think the terrismen are up to no good. Maybe Sazed realizes this but is unable to influence things and hopes Wax will discover and stop them. Maybe he can't use kandra to assassinate ppl. It would very cruel upon a kandra. But still MeLaan seems ok with killing. Or perhaps he knows it but can't say anything to anyone including the kandra , hence he hopes Wax and marasi can figure it out.

Yeah they were killed by the second generation , and the vacated prison was used to imprison the first generation, following the coup de etat . I wonder why they didn't melt down sazed too. Maybe they were still too reluctant about violence. I mean , killing kandra imprisoned for centuries in such conditions was an act of Mercy really. So I guess Sazed couldn't save them . But he would have gotten the reasons for their imprisonment from the kandra post catecandre. I don't think they were imprisoned for breaking rules like TenSoon did , I think maybe those kandra tried to wipe out humanity or at least kill tlr and then let the chaos that followed wipe out humanity. TenSoon was something of an exception I think. The kandra were already under a lot of stress due to tlr and tfe death and ruin being released and TenSoon kinda helped ruin getting released so I think the they just wanted a scapegoat and there came TenSoon .

Still hard to store the speed , especially taking decreasing returns in consideration. U can outrun bullets but u will have to store what a few months of speed for maybe half an hour. Am I right or is it easier than that to store speed ?

Idk. It's amazing and all but I will still take being a full feruchemist over a mistborn anyday. Allomancy has lesser applications and significance in the modern , mostly peaceful world. For combat tho , allomancy might as well be the only choice.

Seems like a good idea to me. Of course to be fair , I have never been invested in bad prequels and have no experience in that field. The only prequels I have read are the " dunk and egg "novellas , " the princess and the queen " novella and " fire and blood " , which are prequels to asoiaf series. I loved them. I think Brandon would create lovely prequels. Prequels about other series would be welcome too. Stormlight spoilers : Warbreaker spoilers : Shadows for silence in the forest of hell( damnation I love this title ) spoilers :

Oh , u have my thanks , Lord bridgeman .

Hello , ppl. Recently I came to realize one of the most useful magic systems in modern Life would be feruchemy and that using feruchemy is to live life more efficiently. So this post is basically about how feruchemy would make my life as an Indian student more fun and efficient. Read the hidden content ( I think it's hidden ?? , I'm new to this ) , if u want to get to know what my life is like . It also contains a bit of near teen angst about the attendance policy . I have kept it short. Here's my take on feruchemy in modern Life : 7). Archiving . ( As filthy Frank said ; " LYF HAX , Oh YEAH ") Suppose u googled something u wish u never had. It could be anything , from a picture of Voldemort with a nose to FULL ON HENTAI TENTACLE RAPE or SPONGEBOB PORN. Now instead of blinding urself or carrying out a lobotomy while hoping for the best ,u could simply remove and throw away the memory. ( " LYF HAX , Oh YEAH " ) On a more serious note , It would be very helpful to sufferers of PTSD , shell shocked veterans , rape victims , etc. Suppose u have some bad memories. Memories of being bullied , betrayed , trauma ,etc. U could simply store it in a copper mind and then just throw it away Similarly u could store good memories too. Like as time passes ur memories decay and u lose details and stuff , but if it's stored in copper it will never decay and u can re visit the experience again near perfectly . Also I ,and I'm sure all of u ,face this problem. Once I read a book i wanna reread it but it's not the same cause I already know what's gonna happen so I could simply remove the memory of reading the book and read it as if for the first time. Also elegant solution to get rid of spoilers. Like the spoilers I had to suffer during the days before I went to watch infinity war . Oof . Similarly u can rewatch movies and other stuff too. Or u could make every kiss a first kiss or every time u eat ice cream the first time. Every time u have sex the first time and so on. 1). Skimming So I can easily store 90% of my weight at any time without any risk. With less weight I can move as gracefully as a dancer and can jump down from high up with no injuries , cause I will be as light as a feather . So bye bye staircases . As soon as the bell rings I will run out of the class and jump straight into the campus garden outside . Also suppose I'm in a fight. I can then increase my weight and throw a punch. As u know force = mass*acceleration. Therefore if my mass ( ie , my wieght ) increases , even a normal punch would be devastating ( yes , I understand that's not exactly how momentum works on Scadrial but it's ambiguous territory , so let a boi dream , but wait no , Wax never uses his weight like that , does he ???). Of course if I'm low on weight and a strong wind comes , I will be blown away. Not much of a disadvantage tho , I can easily just increase my weight and even withstand hurricane winds. 2). Steelrunning Speed is a harder attribute to store. But I suppose it's possible to do it anyway. Like suppose I'm sitting in class , reading a novel and ignoring the teacher as usual ( can u store speed while u r sitting without doing much??? ). So I'm not doing anything which requires speed . I can store any percentage of speed I want. Then later I can tap at all the stored speed and become superfast, yes. Suppose I forgot the lab record at home , I can use up the stored speed to go to my home and back in three seconds. Or suppose the teacher catches me using phone. I can use super speed to hide my phone and take out my calculater instead and tell the teacher she must have mistook my calculator for my phone . Oh the teachers would be so dumbfounded. Also useful in a fight. As I said force = mass * acceleration. So increased speed means increased force. Now if increase both the weight and speed of a punch . Oof . Also I can use it to quickly Dodge punches . Many other uses as well. 3). Windwhispering . So tin stores senses. All 5 or more senses ?? Hearing So suppose I wanna study but it's too noisy , I could simply *store my hearing* and boom , total silence. Then later I could use the extra hearing power to listen to what someone is saying *from a distance. Smell So usually u don't need a sense of smell. Suppose I'm sitting in class , do I need that sense ? No . So I store it. Then later when playing hide and seek , I could use my extra smelling power to seek out the hiding person like a dog . Or I could use it to really smell something delicious to the peak. Taste U don't usually require ur sense of taste right. Like when u r sitting in class , *what are you tasting ? Your own saliva ? So how about u store it instead. U could also store it while eating or drinking something u hate. Like I hate eating a dish called Idli ( Not a corruption of Egdli ) , but my mom makes it every week . So I could minimize my tasting power and eat it easily , minimizing discomfort. Similarly , protein shakes and Vegetable salads taste terrible too. Then suppose u have eat something u love . Like I love it when mom makes paratha , so I could use all my stored up taste to truly enjoy it Feel It's Like the sensitivity of ur skin right . Like if I'm sitting in a classroom , I usually don't need to feel . So I can store it all up or suppose I have to clean out some muck or something. Then I could store my sense of feeling and clean it up without feeling much. Also suppose I injure myself and it hurts a lot. I could store my skin sensitivity and feel no pain.( Is that possible ??) Then later I could use all this stored up feeling to have mind-blowing sex or like touch a masterpiece statue and really feel and appreciate all the curves and the grainy surface and stuff. Sight Ok , this is hardest to store since u will have deteriorated eyesight while storing. But suppose u r sitting in class and I usually read the mobile which is like at most 0.5 metres away from me , so I can store all the sight beyond a 0.5 meter radius . Similarly u can store sight at home while studying too Then later I can use the stored up sight to like look at the intricate details of near by objects or see far away objects as if I'm holding a binocular. Also is it possible to store colour sensitivity . Like when u are storing , the world will be black and white , but then u can use the stored up color sensitivity to see the world in heightened colour and detail . All different shades and tones of colour , which u are normally blind to ,will be easy to see and stuff. U can use it to look at and really appreciate colourful pieces of art or icecream. Balence and others. There are a total of 11 to 21 senses in humans including Balance . Suppose I could store balance when I'm sitting and later tap it while dancing or doing dangerous stunts I would be an amazing dancer or stuntsman . 4). Brute-ing? , brutening? Usually u don't need much strength while listening to a boring lecture. ( Can u store strength while being stationary and almost immobile ??) So how about I store it then when required like when doing physical labour or during fights. I could become superstrong. Esp if I use this in conjunction with increased weight and speed. 5). Sparking So this is hard to store. U basically become stupid while storing a zincmind. I won't have much opportunity to store it , I guess. I need my wits while reading novels. But I ,and many others, have anxiety right and sometimes have panic attacks and get nervous easily and I overthink . It's not under my control , so during those times I can store up my mental speed and become calm and cool ( and slightly stupid ) . Also useful while meditating. During meditation thoughts are harmful and obstacles right. So suppose I store up my thinking speed then. I can become a master meditator easily. Then u could use the extra thinking power to score high on tests that require critical thinking or analysis. 6). Firesoldering/ Firesouling This seems useless at first but it's actually very useful. Like suppose it's a hot day , u could store all the excess heat and be cool. Then u could use the stored heat to warm urself on a cold day . It's like having a personal air conditioner If u r the restless adventurer type , suppose u wanna cross a desert or climb mount Everest. While crossing the desert u could store up heat and be comfortable. And before climbing mount Everest u could be in front of a fire and store up all the excess heat and use it to warm urself while u r climbing mount Everest , instead of wearing all those *heavy , uncomfortable clothes. 8). Sentry-ing ?? This is harder to store since u will be sleepy while storing . I guess it's *great for insomniacs . U could use this to have a strict schedule of sleeping I guess. Also suppose a class is boring and I can't use my phone either since the particular teacher is very observant, i could store wakefulness then and then later either study all night or party all night . Useful during examtimes i guess 9). Gasping So i just have to breathe a lot to store breath. Easy and then I can go diving for hours and find pearls or save drowning ppl or idk catch fish or something. Can also work in environments where it's hazardous to breathe. Scuba diving becomes a lot easier since I won't have to buy and lug around those cannisters containing helium-oxygen mixtures. Cheaper too , since those cannisters are expensive , right ? Makes climbing mount Everest easier too since u won't require oxygen cylinders . Also I could bet a friend a 1000 rupees that I can hold my breath for 10 minutes and make easy money . 10). Subsuming . This is extremely useful for ppl worried about their weight . This way u can eat as much as u want and never get fat. Also helps u in disguises as u can make urself stick thin or really fat by tapping and storing it ( as per MAG) Basically u can use this to gorge on food and then spend months without eating anything. Helps a lot in survival situations 11). Boneknitting ( I know it's called bloodmaking technically , but boneknitter sounds so much cooler to me ). This is very useful . Basically with enough stored healing u can heal broken bones , regrow limbs , fight all manner of diseases?? , etc. But it's storing the required health that's a real slontze . I don't wanna most of time being sickly and weak. The best method I guess is it only store 10 % or 20 % of health constantly and eventually u will have enough health to recover from lethal injuries. U can use it for daring acts but personally I would keep it as insurance in case of an accident. Also useful to get rid of hangovers after a hard night of partying . Another disadvantage is that is that gold is expensive and vulnerable to theft. I mean , boy oh boy , wouldn't it suck to have years worth of healing in a goldmind, only to have it stolen ? 12). Pinnacling This is the hardest attribute to store . I mean , u require determination for pretty much anything. It's especially hard for ppl suffering from depression . I suppose the best method is again to store only a small percentage of the available resource. Still takes a lot of time and less useful than gold. However ,it would of some use if a sudden , unexpected and hard task or obstacle came up ( which usually do come up ) and u could use the stores to power through it . Same disadvantage as gold. Expensive and theft vulnerability. 13). Spinning This is perhaps the hardest attribute to store. I can't store it in class , since it will make me unlucky and vulnerable to being caught reading novels or comics on phone by the teacher. I think the best way to store it is to hole up in a small , empty space reading a book , wearing old ratty clothes and nothing of any value ,then store it. Then only in small increments so when someone spills coffee on me , it's just lukewarm and not boiling .Still not for me as I read on a phone and it will most definitely malfunction. Yeah this will hard to store in my life , esp since tapping fortune isn't as straight forward as per WoB. But I could use the stored fortune to get out of the occasional tricky situation. 14). Soulbearing Yeah this is probably useless in real life , unless u have access to magic systems other than feruchemy. 15). Trueselfing This may or may not be useful . The author hasn't written much about it , so hard to speak about it's advantages . But maybe it's possible to store detrimental parts of my identity. Like for example maybe it's a part of my identity to be lazy or sad . I could store that part in a Aluminum mind and then throw it away. Then I would no longer be sad or lazy ?? 16). Connecting This is very useful to me. When I am reading comics or novels in class , by storing away most of my connection I could be ignored by the teacher and not disturbed by friends. I can read in peace . Later in break time or after college , I could use the stored up connection to have lots of fun with friends or even make my crushes fall in love with me easily ( yeah ,that's creepy and probably immoral and illegal ) . Could also form trusty relationships as a basis for one night stands and friends with benefits ( Again creepy and immoral ?? The connection manipulation , not the relationships. I'm fine with such relationships. ) So that's all I could come up with. If u have some novel use of feruchemy in ur life or find a complication in one of my applications , please let it be known.

Oh that's disappointing. So it isn't all that horrible to have ur soul ripped ? U sure ? I mean , getting ur soul ripped seems like a big deal. Do we any wob on it ?

I was browsing and i found this post . And I began to think the most humane part of hemalurgy is getting a spike driven right through your heart. The really brutal part is that it rips ur soul or atleast takes a chunk of it. This knowledge would also become widespread and in my opinion atleast , this makes it completely different from organ donation. Do we know what happens to the souls of ppl used to make spikes, do they suffer ? Do the souls even exist after being ripped apart ? How do they look in the cognitive realm post death ? Do we have any WoBs on this ? In secret history , we see the cognitive shadow of a koloss and only the spike reciever has one. The chunks of the other souls don't show up in any way ( i thought they would manifest in a Spren like manner ) , so is it possible that the part of the soul not bound by the spike simply dissolves into nothing ? If so, is it a fate worse than death and The Beyond ? Also is it the part of the soul responsible for sapience that's attached to the spike ? Is the chunk of the soul still aware ? If so , are the detrimental side effects of hemalurgy due to the spiked soul somehow knowing what happened to it and fighting against the recipient soul , rather than the recepiant soul rejecting the spike or is it a combination of both cases ? ?

Noice , I saw that episode too. Like 7 yrs ago. Ah nothing brings back nostalgia like superstitious psychopaths on a Mistborn forum. *Sighs

Dude get out right now . Trust me , this site is crawling with spoilers . Come back to the mistborn forum, Once u finish all the 7 books. Better yet , Don't come back till u read both Stormlight and mistborn completely

In WoA , why didn't leras feed the larasium to sazed. A fullborn would have been an incredible help against ruin , especially since he wouldn't be dependent on atium compounding like tlr . Also couldn't the lerasium have been split so that elend could survive while Sazed became fullborn. I mean elend had to die anyway for Vin to be able to kill ati in the first place right. Could Sazed being depressed have led to him being useless , even with fullborn abilities ? What might have Happened if Sazed had ingested the lerasium ??

Nalthis ? Why nalthis ??

Ok so the spikes required for making Kandra are easy to make right. I mean the metals are plentiful and u need to ordinary humans to get them. Not allomancers or feruchemists. Then why are there so few Kandra. I mean , yes they are nonviolent and might have a stigma towards hemalurgy but still I'm sure u could find thousands of poor or unfortunate ppl on the verge of dying due to trauma , disease ,etc ,who could be euthanized , even as a service to them. Also u could just steal some koloss spikes. Things would have been even easier in era1 following the Lord rulers death and the chaos unleashed in it's wake , I mean ok tlr's death was unexpected and deeply grievous to them and then ruin got released so they had a lot to think about. But even in era2 , where couples like tensoon and MeLaan , gave been in a relationship for centuries u don't see them hankering after children. Seems strange to me . Can anyone give a good reason why this is so ? Edit : wait MeLaan and tensoon have a dad daughter dynamic. damnation , I didn't know that. I thought they were a couple. But still if tensoon the gruff old dog could adopt a new Kandra , why don't the other more pg13 ones ?

Ok , hey , I'm a new guy . Joined today actually. Hum, please move this to the proper section if I post this into a wrong forum or something. And I confess that it's probably wrong since there are WoBs directly contradicting my theories about the hemalurgic metals. (Can someone send me those if u have them ? ) Still I thought it made an interesting theory .So here's my theory : So I was looking through the wiki and found that the 4 blessings were listed as hemalurgic iron , tin , zinc and copper. But I disagree. the mistwraiths were created from full feruchemists , so I think they needed a part of a feruchemist's spiritweb to work on a Kandra. So I think the reason there were so few Kandra in each generation was because u needed hemalurgic spikes made by killing feruchemists. Therefore the four blessings would be : A). The blessing of strength was H-Pewter, which steals feruchemical physical powers. B). The blessing of awareness was H-Brass, which steals feruchemical cognitive powers . C). The blessing of presence was H-gold , which steals feruchemical hybrid powers D). The blessing of stability was H-aluminium , which steals all powers. Points in favor of my theory : 1). Hemalurgic copper , iron , zinc and tin steal human charecteristics. Normal humans. Not metalborn. Tlr didn't really care much about skaa and used them to make spikes indiscriminately for creating koloss. Why then limit the number of Kandra per generation to a hundred ? More Kandra meant more loyal subjects and spies and better atium Management and conservation. 2). Feruchemists on the other hand were rare , rarer than allomancers. Hence it would make sense why so few spikes were available to the kandra. 3).If the Kandra were rebellious , wouldn't they just steal spikes from like the treasury or from the koloss or by killing or mercykilling humans ,( I mean hey there were lots of impoverished or crippled skaa who would have been almost dead due to starvation , the mistsnapping , war , gang violence or tlr's general tyranny , who could euthanized as an act of Mercy during era 1 . And even during era 2 ) and make more Kandra ? I mean , that seems like a serious lapse in security by tlr. 4). Why are Kandra with the blessing of stability so rare ? I mean , zinc spikes should be as common as iron. Wouldn't it make more sense if this blessing was due to aluminum , a rare metal which might have been experimentally used a few times and then abandoned , due to lack of the resource. 5). I think , that aluminum is perhaps the most stable and inert of all the metals. Something that is immune to all ( ?? ) forms of investiture. Wouldn't it make sense that this would grant the blessing of stability which supposedly makes a Kandra less susceptible to external control. 6). Marasi notes that Ru Luur's spike was probably pewter. 7). In many ways it seems Kandra are superior to humans . They are usually peaceful , great at defense , functionally immortal , can change morphology to suit thier professions ( Spoiler for WoR ) Indeed , if it weren't for the mind control. ( spoiler for oathbringer ) It seems callous of Rashek to ignore this possiblity. With allomancy becoming weaker with every generation , knowledge of mind control and duralumin being suppressed and tlr himself running out of both sanity and his atium compounding efficiency , it might have been possible for Kandra to rise in rebellion. Even assassinate tlr and the Inquisitors themselves. Especially , if Paalm revealed how easy it was to infiltrate the ranks of the Inquisitors. Marsh did the same thing too remember. Several of the younger generations clamored for change and the kandra themselves hated being sequestered in some dank caves. Points against my theory : 1). Perhaps tlr was afraid of Kandra overrunning humans . Or didn't wanna overcrowd them in the pits and hence limited the number of new ones per generation . 2). Even if the Kandra were rebellious , it should have been easy for tlr , the Inquisitors , mistborn or soother mobs to get them under control. But then again , perhaps they might have removed one spike in order to remain immune to mind control , but it would have been harrowing for the kandra. 3). There seems to be WoBs stating that it was the normal power stealing H-spikes , ie, zinc ,tin,etc ,that were the blessings. This is , if true ,actually the most damning piece of evidence against my theory. 4). Then there's the possibility that the kandra were never a security risk. I mean even 3 centuries after the catacendre , most Kandra are peaceful and Van Dell just simply hates violence. It seems only the third generation and a few like MeLaan are the exceptions. They might actually hate themselves for being hemalurgic creations, but still if all one needs is a iron spike , then couldn't they mercykill some humans and create young ones or scrounge some from s dead or dying koloss ? Potential possiblities if my theory is true : 1). Sazed is afraid of the kandra. Hence he has had the mistwraiths eradicated , resusticated into humans or atleast removed from thier sentient brethren. Whether the kandra like this or not is impossible to foresee. 2). On one hand , the kandra seem to be peaceful creatures who willingly choose suicide even tho they are immortal. 3). On the other hand , the kandra have had centuries of practice acting and hiding thier true feelings. Then there was the dream / religious prophecy Ten Soon told Vin about Kandra ruling Scadrial once all the humans were dead. Paalm's anger at Sazed might have been atleast partially due to Sazed's oppression of the kandra. In some ways , Sazed's treatment of the kandra is worse than tlr's. 4). Perhaps some Kandra are truly loyal to Sazed , but as we saw in HoA , not all Kandra have the same view. So perhaps it's possible that some factions among the kandra including the world Hoppers?? are planning to oust him and gain control of Scadrial. Perhaps that's how Paalm first came in contact with Trell . Perhaps the ' faceless immortals ' Trell has , according to Edwarn ladrian are actually Kandra world Hoppers who defected to Trell or odium or whoever else , in order to gain greater autonomy for the kandra . 5). Finally we see Paalm using metalborn abilities and a statement saying that she had infiltrated Inquisitors. I really doubt you can infiltrate the ministry of Inquisition without displaying metalborn abilities. So is Sazed lying ? Tlr had reason to contain such knowledge from the kandra but does Sazed have similar reasons ? Also perhaps the spike which grants metalborn abilities might be aluminium . I mean if H-aluminum steals all powers then could it be possible that as a blessing it could grant all powers or well one power each. Perhaps this is also the reason the kandra themselves are oblivious of this knowledge since aluminum is super rare and aluminum spikes even more so. Yep , no proof for this. Just tinfoil. And Wax's observation of Paalm's spike seems to refute this reasoning. But then again Wax was like totally depressed at the time and wasn't able to run tests on it and the kandra removed it soon enough. Maybe Paalm just mixed in something else in the spike to change it's colouring , in order to fool ppl.