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Essentially, if Marasi had an infinite stock of Cadmium, then slowed down time so a century passed but for her it was only 20 seconds, then when she stopped burning Cadmium, she would only have aged 20 seconds, but a century would have passed.

I picked the wrong one in the pole, but If I wasn't compounding, I'd go with Pewter/Gold, for reasons already stated. Pewter is such an I Win button, and Gold counteracts the problems associated with flaring it too long. You'd become a Pewter Savant VERY quickly. If Pewter gives you twice the stats, so to speak, and therefore lets you heal twice as fast, then just store half that in Gold and you feel normal, you just don't heal as quick. Stop storing and suddenly you're healing twice as fast. Get injured too much? Tap gold and heal it up. Go on an extended pewter drag? Tap healing at the end and you're good. Honestly, for comounding, I'd still pick Pewter over Gold, for real world practicality. Yes, Gold is awesome. But how many times are you actually in danger or getting hurt? Pewter will help with exhaustion and most pains, so you're getting decent healing with that, and resistant to damage to begin with, so for every day use, being super strong, fast, and have higher endurance and balance is just too good. And with double Pewter, you are literally as strong as you need to be in the moment. It is my theory that if you burn pewter and store the extra strength in a Pewtermind, then when you tap that Pewtermind your muscles don't actually grow. If that's the case, then if you then burn that pewtermind, you get 10x the strength without the resulting musclemass. This means you can be infinitely strong, without the drawback of getting so big you can't move. HOWEVER, you can ALSO keep a pewtermind that DOES make you bigger, so you can always have the perrfect physique. But the inifinite at will strength is the main thing. Normally, you'd just keep your regular Pewter enhanced strength. Still great, but you're not crushing glasses just by touching them. It isn't so much strength you can no longer function in society. But if you NEED that strength, you have it. Gonna get hit by a car? Increase strength by 100 for a few seconds, and the car gets crushed instead. In fact, I'd imagine someone tapping infinite strength like this would be almost impossible to damage to begin with. The muscles would be too strong to penetrate. Yeah. Imma go with being Luke Cage on this one. Double Pewter all the way.

First, 11x is a random number, considering what Marasi seems capable of slowing time down to. She speeds through hours in minutes. And 11x slower than 200 is 18mph, which is slow enough to react to, particularly if you have Pewter. Clothes can, in fact, be cut with a knife. And since we haven't actually seen how Division works for Skybreakers, as even Nale has never used it on screen, you can't just say the Radiant automatically burns and disentigrates everything that gets near him just cause. For all we know, using Division like this would burn through the clothing first, and therefore only things touching the Radiant's skin is burned, and we don't even know if it burns. Bronze should tell the Mistborn where his spheres are, so cutting them out of the clothing should actually be a decent strategy. The Radiant doesn't really have a way to target vials of metals other than just seeing it, or maybe burning away the Mistborn's clothing. Again, we don't really know enough about Division to know how this would work. It could be an I Win button. Or it could just be a simi-useful defense. There's just no way to tell.

CAN anyone burn pure atium? Burning a metal is a feature of Lerasium, as it makes you a Mistborn. But assuming anyone can burn Pure Atium would assume anyone can burn Honorblades, or Shardblades, as aren't they the same basic thing?

I don't have the quote, but when Risi's master is talking to the Shen in WoR, he trades them steel soulcast from garbage. Mining on Roshar is difficult because of the high storms. They would literally flood every nine days. They would NOT be mining iron ore and smelting it unless they had no other recourse.

Of course they do. It is infinitely easier to mould wood or clay into the shape you want and soulcast it into Steel, especialy when the fuel to do so is as plentiful as Stormlight is. I'd say all of Alethkar's steel is done that way. Yes, they CAN forge, but why bother? They literally practice soulcasting by turning garbage into steel, and then melting it down. It's iike saying the average American has no need to buy bread from a grocery store when they can grow, harvest and process their own wheat and make bread on their own. And yet 99% of Americans don't even know how to make bread if they already have the ingrediants, much less how to make those ingredients.

I don't buy that. She was in a pretty hard fight with a Fused. If he could have been defeated just by soulcasting the air around him into stone, that should have been her first thought. She wouldn't even have had to worry about killing the other people in the area. Just kill the one Fused, and be done with it. I don't think "Soulcasting a box of stone around their head" is an actual strategy a Soulcaster can employ. When she soulcasted the air into oil, she soulcasted ALL the air around her as well. She didn't have precise control over it. So she chose a substance that would be relatively benign...unless someone lit it on fire. Basically, I think if trapping a person in stone was a viable option, we'd have seen it already. Edit: Heck, if they could do that, just have Jasnah go up to the army and turn the whole area into Stone. She could have used the abundance of Stormlight at the battle at the end of Oathbringer to just soulcast all of Amaram's forces in Stone. I mean, why not, if that's a possibilty? She had enough Stormlight there.

So why didn't she do stone? She's made stone before. Lots of it. Very quickly.

But that's the thing. You're giving Roshar things they don't have. Like the ability to even get Stormlight off world. They do have a Shard... Fair enough. But if this is the case, then Roshar loses. They can't get Stormlight off world. I'll explain why that matters next. And the Alethi Army has absolutely no idea how to deal with Supply lines, nor do they even have enough food to keep their nation going without Soulcasters, and off world, they have no Soulcasters. Wax doesn't need bullets. He just needs steel, which is an abundant resource. Every spearhead and arrowhead and piece of armor in the Rosharan army are his bullets. Edit: IN FACT! Because all the Steel in the Alethi army is soulcast, it is very likely pure, and I would say very likely allomantically viable. So their weapons could very well be his fuel. There would be no radiants in the army. Nor would there be fabriels. Or even an army, because Roshar doesn't grow enough food to support a million people without Soulcasters. Or at least in Alethkar. I know other nations don't have soulcasters and manage to live, but the Soulcasters is the reason Alethkar has the armies they do. Farmers are held in high regard all across the world becuase the world doesn't generate enough food. They'd never be able to mobilize a supply line. They'd have to soulcast the food at home and ship it through the CR to the front lines. And supply lines is not something the Alethi have any experience in dealing with.

If that were possible, Jasnah would have done it when her life was in danger fighting the Fused.

Snark is fine. Fair enough, I don't read all the replies, cause there's usually, like, twenty of them by the time I get a chance to get back on here. But despite that, they have time, they have the Ferrings, if they're going into the CR, they'd make what they need to. And they can always build a base on a waterway, which would be land in the CR. Seriously, there are ways to do this. If Roshar gets it, so does Scadrial. It might be harder but it isn't impossible, particularly since they can apparently create Perpendicularites by just having a bunch of metal born around for a long time. And also, how are Rosharans supposed to get to Scadrial if the Mists are a problem? Their boats won't cross the solid sea between them, and would sink through. So...what's you're point again? Guns and spears did not exist side by side in the same army for centuries. The closest thing you can come to that is the bayonette. And Scadrial is ALREADY beyond muskets and the like. They make semi automatica and fully automatic weapons. Beyonettes stopped being a thing shortly after the civil war cause they just weren't needed. Bullets are cheap to make. Why would you not send your soldiers with enough to handle whatever? Kaladin can't get on Scadrial. He's a Radiant. He can't leave Roshar. And Wax could take on the entire Rosharan army. You're making an assumption that they won't have enough bullets, which is a logical falacy. Bullets are easy and cheap to produce, and Scadrial has an abnormally high ratio of metals in the crust. They've got enough bullets.

So...It really depends on how Division works. Because Skybreakers don't have the advantages Windrunners have. With a 3rd Ideal Windrunner, I still say a Mistborn winds at least 60% of the time, but Windrunners have reverse lashings and full lashings, which are huge counters to what Mistborns can do. But Skybreakers don't have that. They can fly. And that's all Gravitation does for them. They can send things soaring at the mistborn, but despite certain comments to the contrary, Mistborn are HELLA mobile. Yeah, they need anchors, but they create their own anchors. And even if they don't, Pewter is just too good. I would put a fully trained Pewter arm against pretty much any 2nd ideal radiant. And the only reason 3rd ideal radiants get advantage against them is because of their blade. Pewter is just that good. But yeah. If Division can be used at range, or is a literal "I win becasue you're burnt to an ash" button, then the Skybreaker would have a pretty good chance. If it can desintigrate coins as they hit, that nulifies a big mistborn advantage. If they can use it when the Mistborn touchse them, that eliminates Chromium as an option. That's two pretty big advantages. So if that's how Division works, and it's that strong, then...maybe Skybreakers actually would have a chance against Mistborn. Now, we're talking about 3rd ideal, so we don't know how powerful their Division is at that point. I wouldn't imagine it's strong enough to desintigrate a coin shot at high speeds before it can break the skin. But maybe. Ok, here's some options: Option 1: Division is limited in use. It may burn someone who touches them but can't kill them on a touch, and takes time and focus to desintigrate something, so it's use against coins is good, but limited. In this case, Mistborn likely wins. They just have to hold on long enough to leach their stormlight, and coins still help in range combat. Option 2: Division is a forcefield of death. Anything that touches it while active is just gone. In this case, the Skybreaker very likely wins. Pewter is awesome, but if they can't touch their enemy, then the fight is pointless. The only thing the Mistborn could do would be to stall and wait until the Skybreaker runs out of Stormlight. Which is possible. It all depends on how much Stormlight the Skybreaker has, and how Stormlight Intensive Division is. If Division can be used at Range, the Skybreaker very likely just wins. But if this was the case...then Nale would have done it to Dalinar when he decided Dalinar should die...and he didn't...so...imma say that's probably not possible? It would be cool if Skybreakers could shoot lightning, though.

This is, at least, a better thought discussion than Windrunners. There's too much overlap with Windrunners. Judging by the WoB's above, I'm going to rule out Soulcasting the Mistborn. That just doesn't seem like it would work for a 3rd Ideal Lightweaver. Which, btw, I'm not sure exactly what a 3rd Ideal Lightweaver CAN do. They get a blade at that point, but it's hard to tell where Shallan is during the books cause she's so weird. I think her 2nd Ideal was "I'm terrified" and her third was "I killed my father." So that means she was 3rd ideal during Words of Radiance, and fourth during Oathbringer, when she made the illusery army. So a 3rd Ideal Soulcaster can lightweave fairly well, though is still limited, and can Soulcast to a limited degree. So no huge armies or Lightweaving a whole theater production. But hiding one's self and some others is possible, and changing something as large as a ship into water is possible. So lets go over the comparison. Bronze. Bronze can sense Investiture. There IS an argument that they wouldn't be able to sense the Lightweaving, though, since Lightweaving is 'quieter', and the Secret Spren couldn't sense it. So that is something. So I'll make a ruling that Bronze cannot sense Lightweaving, or if they can, it is very feint. But then, the Lightweaver could make use of this and attach a Lightweaving to an object, using it as a destraction. Soulcasting, in my estimation, doesn't work on the Mistborn themselves, but can work on just about everything else. Soulcast the glass dagger into water, for example. They'd likely have to touch it, but it's POSSIBLE. They can also create an Aluminum cap, to protect themselves from Zinc and Brass. And yeah, Soulcasting noxious fumes or whathaveyou. The main problem there is Pewter, letting the Allomancer survive the fumes. I'll be entirely honest, I don't see the Lightweaver lasting very long. The main thing they have going for them is Stormlight Healing and their Blade, but Mistborn have Pewter and Steel. Pewter is such an I Win button in close combat with anyone who doesn't also have Pewter, and Steel lets them attack from afar. Lightweavers don't have th esame defense against Coins that Windrunners do. Once the Mistborn has located them, all they have to do is send a single coin through them...and back...and back again...pushing and pulling over and over and over and over until the Stormlight healing runs out. Ok, sure, the Lightweaver may be able to Soulcast the coin. That's a valid argument. But I don't think that'll work if the coin goes through their head. Imma call it for the Mistborn on this one.

Your Anti-Dinosaur drones won't get by my drone eating wambats! Seriously, we're just talking circles at this point. Roshar can float on beads. Great. Someone's already pointed out that a Ferring could invest a metal boat so it could float in the mists and you conveniently skimmed by that. You want Roshar to win, so you're going to give it all the plot armor, despite the fact that literally no dominant culture on Earth uses spears and chain mail anymore, and hasn't since the invention of gunpowder. Rosharans are stuck on Roshar. They'll have an advantage on Roshar because of High Storms and Stormlight. Everywhere else they lose, because no Stormlight, and bullet beats spear. That's that. There is literally no way to convince me otherwise. Doesn't matter how many spearmen you have. Doesn't matter how many useless fabrials you can create. If they can't get Stormlight off Roshar, they lose. Period.

First off, if Rosharans magically get a means to move around the CR without those issues, than so does Scadrial. My Dinosaur eats your force field dog. Second, it very much does matter than Scadrians have machine guns. And Grenades. And Metalborn that can use their powers by swollowing metal anywhere they are and isn't tied intrinsically to their home system. Including an entire class of metalborn, coinshots, who manipulate metal, which ALL Rosharans use. What was it that Ham said in the second Mistborn book? An army will typically break after losing 10% of their number? Two Mistborn (and I know there aren't any in Era 2) took out almost the entirety of the 1,000 men that Set brought into the city. Once the Machine Guns run dry, drop a few coin shots down there and let them use all the bullets to take care of what's left. Unless they are on or near Roshar, the Rosharans won't have their Stormlight powered anything. No Fabrials, no Radiants. Just spears. Rosharans are basically stuck where they are unless they find a way to move Stormlight off world. Even Dalinar is stuck, unless he learns how to go off world. Which, granted, he probably could figure out, but that's a HUGE weakness to have your entire warfare economy based on the abilities of one single individual. They'd have to literally bring him all their Gemstones and let him recharge every single one every single week. That's just ridiculous. He'd do nothing but open Perpindicularies every day, all day. You can't supply an army like that.

I mean...Nicrosil is just a metalmind storing investiture. What would make that different than another Metalmind?

I...honestly just assumed the general had used an Allomantic Grenade to drain the bands. Or perhaps someone did. Can a Chromium Misting wipe investiture in a metalmind if they touch it? Adawathwin or whatever her name is touches the bands first. She could have a Chromium Spike, or be Twinborn. She could have wiped them the moment she touched them. And if the Nicrosilminds in them are wiped, they're basically just pieces of metal.

Scardrial may not have a reliable, large scale way into the CR yet, but if they ever did findone, moving a vehicle into the CR to transport troops and such is relatively easy. Their power sources (both electricity and Allomantic metals) isn't dependant on being on a specific world. Roshar's is. If going after a contested world, Scadrial would win simply because Roshar couldn't bring their stormlight, or radiants, with them. They wouldn't even be able to bring their Fourth Bridge, because it requires Stormlight, which not only can't leave the system, but even if they found a way to make it leave the system, it wouldn't be infinite. They'd have to continually port Stormlight from Roshar, whereas Scadrial can just set up a generator or power plant. Fuel may be an issue, depending on the world, but Fuel doesn't have the expiration date that Stormlight does, unless they get ahold of a whole bunch of perfect Gemstones.

Without direct quotes: Atium seems to ONLY show a split shadow when the other person knows the future as well, because knowing the future changes it. The person BURNING Atium doesn't see what his changes will do as splits. He only sees what everyone else WILL do if he does nothing. When someone else can see the future, they both see split Atium shadows, because everyone can see the future, so everyone can change it. I would imagine that fighting with both people burning Atium would be absolutely impossible, though that's not how it is percieved in the books. Apparently, the extra mental accuity that Atium provides shuts itself off from the overload of information when two people are burning it. What Vin did was, literally, to see the future. She saw her future when the looked at Zane. She saw what she was going to do in his reaction. She correctly realized what his moements meant she was going to do. So she did something different. She saw the future, and then changed it. And it created a split Atium Shadow. The exact same way it would have if she'd have burned Atiuim. But it would not have been possible if she had not seen the future through Zane's actions. She would have just followed the same Atium shadow without knowing it. And about the Heralds, I want you to go stand in a room and let me shoot blow gun darts at you all day, and let's see how many of them you actually catch. Pretty sure the answer will be literally 0, because I don't think it is literally possible to catch a dart from a blow gun. Same way it is literally impossible to catch an arrow. Mythbusters proved it. Literaly impossible. Even if you got your hand in the exact right spot to do it, and gripped fast enough, the arrow would rip through the skin of your hand. It's just moving too fast. The Heralds have some insane enhanced abilities if they're able to do things like that.

When did this happen? I was under the impression Hoid ate the nugget of Lerasium he found.

So how was Malatium created? It's an obvious alloy of Atium and Gold, and it was made by a random Mistborn Nobleman. WITHOUT electricity.

First, someone mentioned not appreciating my snark, and Snark is my first language, so I appologize if it comes accross rude. Translational issues and all that. But you know what would be really cool? A War/Strategy Game based on these worlds. Create rules for a Roshar Map, a Scadrian Map, as well as give points to various advancements and abilities. Special Invested Unites (Mistborn, Ferruchemists, Mistings, Ferrings, Twinborn, and Radaints). It would get hella complicated, but then you could just play out what a Scadrian Invasion on Roshar would look like, and isa versa. Not sure how you'd do that, but it would be fun.

So...what I'm gathering her...is you're...trolling? That's really the only thing I can think to describe your argument. You hyperfocus on the world "Lean", giving the same false argument (if he leans, i can lean further) that has already been discredited. No, you couldn't just lean further. And even if you COULD just lean further, the Atium burner would KNOW that you were going to just lean further, and would move in such a way as to make you miss. He'd grab your hand, because he knows where your hand is going to be. He'd tap your blade and shift it, because he'd know exactly where to put his finger so it wouldn't be cut. Sure, Zane 'leaned' back, because he had pewter, and his balance was impecable, and he could do Neo Matrix crap. I mean, that entire image (I just lean further, then you lean further, then i lean further until one of us falls down) is just ludicrus. Is that what you do during a fight? You punch with your arm at them, they move back, and you, keeping your arm straight, just keep moving forward hoping for them to fall? I'm no fight expert, but I feel like if you had a dagger and jabbed at someone, and they were suddenly out of reach, you'd, i don't know, pull your hand back, because if you just kept your arm outstretched and moved forward, they'd, I don't know, grab your wrist? What I think Atium does is show you the most likely future. And within a few seconds, it's ALMOST guaranteed. You see what they will do for the next few seconds. And yes, what you do changes what they will do...but Atium ALSO increases your mental accuity to adjust for that as well. Their atium shadows change, they have to, but you can keep up with it, you know when and how they will change. You SEE THE FUTURE. What happened with Zane is that Vin, at the last moment, had two directions she could go that were equally plausible. It was a litteral coin flip. She only won because she happened to decide to use the one he didn't block. Look at it this way. The future branches out into multiple possibilities. The further you look, the more possibilities. Those possibilities funnel into one point, the present. If you look at it like a line, then a new line branches out (a new possibility is born) with every possible choice that is made by every person. But in the present, there is only one choice. So the past is a line, the future is branches. Now, most people make these choices a second or two ahead of actually acting on it, cause we think a lot faster than we act. So if you're looking at that line, then for most people, that line won't start to branch out for a few seconds in the future. For a few seconds, their furture is pretty much set. That's what Atium lets you see. Flaring Atium lets you see further. Using Duralamin lets you see a LOT further, but you start seeing all the branching possibliities. But you don't HAVE to have that second or two of a set future. If you can move purely on instinct, making the choice in the moment, reacting instead of acting, then your personal future line would split a lot closer to the present. But it's HELLA HARD to be that much in the moment, because of the way our minds work. Someone trained to fight will be better at this, because reacting to what your opponent is going to do is pretty much what defrintiates a winner from a loser, but there will still be some delay between the decision and the action, and Atium lets you see past that delay. Vin, in that moment, was pure instinct. Her future timeline didn't converge into a single, set future until the present moment happened. So Atium couldn't parse it. It couldn't see that one, set future. Because in that moment, there were two set futures which hadn't been decided yet. And Zane picked the wrong one to block. A literal coin flip. Zain lost by a coin flip. So...you can sit here and spout "It's just bad writing" all you want...or you can stop being a troll and just suspend your disbelief for a series about people who swallow metal and gain mystical powers from it.

I struggle with Depression. I Identify with Dalinar quite a bit, being a tad older than Kaladin and the idea of taking responsibility for my actions, but I FEEL Kaladin. I've been there. So many times. When it feels like someone hitched an anvil to my heart and it's dragging everything down. When it has NO REASON. When life is fine, but still I feel like the world is somehow darker and there isn't anything I can do to stop it. I did a lot of soul searching when i was younger, and I realized that Depression doesn't NEED a reason to happen, but it will LATCH ON to whatever is around. Kal's depression has latched on to his percieved failures. It makes him see them as failures. It makes him see everything as a failure. It makes his successes into failures. And I feel that. I know that. I am there right now. I've listened to these books half a dozen times in the last few years. Partially to hear Dalinar's conquering of his past. And partially to hear Kaladin push on. To move forward anyway. To drag that anvil through the dirt behind me. I mean him. This last book broke me. I hated, HATED, Kaladin being taken off duty, but I felt so RELIEVED when it happened. Isn't that weird? I felt Kaladin's feelings of betrayal, but I was relieved. It was like...can I finally rest, now? Can I have a breather? But there's so much more to do...And when he was fighting at the end. When he figured he could "be Kaladin Stormblessed one more time." God, I've been there. I can be Tony Glass one more time. Just one more time. Every day is just one more time. I think someone close to me struggles with it, as well, only they haven't faced what it is. They still think there's an external reason for what they're feeling. That it's happening TO them, instead of something inside warping their perspective. So they continue to blame and spiral down. And I see it. I see what's happening. And I just want to tell them that it'll be ok. It's not their fault. It's not the fault of whatever they're blaming, either. It just is. And they just have to ride through it, because there is light on the other side. But they won't listen. Because that's what Depression does. It makes you think that there never were any light. You were always in this darkness. I can fight the Depression sometimes by ignoring the voices in my head. By recognizing it for what it is and riding it out. But if they won't do that, if they refuse to believe the problem is likely a chemical imbalance or whawtever Depression is...there's nothing I can do. I just don't want them to go to the edge of the chasm and not have a Sil to give them a leaf...