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I'm with Eternum on...everything here. Makes me very suspicious of the possibility that Eternum might be village. This post reads very villager-y to me in addition to the mind meld, and I've thought his other posts seemed to come from a village mindset too. Feeling pretty good about Eturnum rn. Also yes I'm confused. I'm a little conflicted on Illwei just because this is how they talk irl as well, so I'm struggling to see it as AI, but if I was looking at their posts over the last hour objectively I'd probably want to lynch them. I'll listen to people that have played with them before though. Connie did a good job pointing out the contradictions in Illwei's posts, which is often an elim sign... Similarly, I think Connie's posts seem to come from an elim-y mindset. I'd be more willing to lynch Connie, but people are defending both and people are attacking both. This makes me feel like there is actually a reasonable chance this is not a village-village lynch. If I had to guess, I wouldn't be surprised if Illwei was truthless or a neutral... But I think it's more likely Connie is an elim and either of those things. Due to that I'm going to vote on Connie. However I'd appreciate a vote count from someone if at all possible. (I'm color blind so figuring out myself is really difficult) Connie

How would the Shamen get them so that they could give them away? Unless you're suggesting each time the shamen gets one they give it to a player, then get one the next day and give that to the player the following day... That would take so long to build them up and no guarentee of the Shamen to hit a blade in the first place I think it's more likely the elims kill the player the Shamen has chosen and takes their single blade. We'd also have to make sure the chosen player has absolutely no chance of being an elim, however if such a player ever existed the elims would make killing them a top priority.

That's a good idea, unfortunately I think the GM accounted for it: Edit: Basically I don't think there's a good way for them to get all of them unless everyone in the game agrees to transfer theirs... Which is very very risky, and many players (myself included) likely wouldnt be willing to do that.

Yup, I thought you said "me and Illwei" not "mat and illwei" And no I don't believe that's a good assumption... Though people can assume that if they wish. : P Personally, I think Vedel very much could just try to protect someone every night and not open PMs, or maybe they choose to open PMs early in the game when the chances are lowest of saving someone, but later (even if it doesn't switch hands) chooses to try to save someone each night. For Chanarach I think it might be more likely AI... But depending on the kills. If they are killing people generally thought to be very village, it's holder will be more likely to be elim. If the people dying are suspicious or flip elim, pretty likely village.

4 pages already? Seems I didn't know what I was signing up for. Well, I'll do my best to get as much through the thread as possible. I would be cautious of this. Short of a mass roleclaim there wont be an easy way to find roles reliably. A player could try to reach out to everyone in PMs and try to get people's roles, but unless you know a sizeable amount, there's not a good way to know if the person you're talking to is lying or not. I'll have to look through your past games to be sure. I'm getting elim vibes, and this quote is one of several that makes suspect that. a 1/20ish chance of saving someone isn't amazing, but also using assumptions about the elim team through past kills and likely kills, it isn't quite that bad a percentage I think in successfully protecting. Personally I think we leave that choice up to the owners of the blades, but I personally value Progression more. 2 people with progression is a powerful thing, assuming both are in village hands. I also disagree about your take on Transformation. That's personally my favorite surge : P With this and what Araris said I'm now a bit less suspicious of Gears. I read his elim claim part as a kind of gleeful joke about how this time he did get elim, which feels a little too meta for a villager to make, but if I'm missing context I accept that. I'd be fairly confident the elims didn't start with Chanarach’s blade for balance reasons, but beyond that I'd agree. Ok, now we're up to 5 pages.......... Alright then Pretty hard defending Gears here. Another player I need to look into the history of I guess. I think this is sus because of what I bolded... but again, need to look at past games. On first read of this I liked it. Thought it was generally accurate based on what we have seen in thread... However it also doesn't provide anything new. It puts both Connie and Experience as slight elim, but both of them have been called out already and this is providing no individual perspective... I'm not too sus on this yet but I'ma keep my eye on Dice. You seem very confident about what the elims will think and do... PMs don't always benifit every faction equally. It depends on a lot of factors... One of which is who is on the elim team. So... here you are putting suspicion on Illwei and yourself... Not sure if that's intentional or not. xD Also keep in mind irl stuff is a thing. I for instance have very much read the rules, I don't remember everything or have a great understanding of possible ways to abuse the rules, which complicated games typically have to some extent. Good points overall though. Whole post reads villager for me. The more I'm reading of the thread the more villager-y Illwei seems and the elim-y Grammatical seems. As a side note, the Truthless may benifit from not being overly helpful to the thread to avoid the elim kill. Now that I've said that they might change their mind, but it's worth mentioning. I got pinged a little bit ago. Probably about how I havent posted yet? Thank you Eturnum... it seems someone poked me so I'll post this now, and hopefully complete the thread later today.

I'm in. I'm going to be pretty busy over the next week or two, but I think the rule set looks really cool so I'll be as active as I can.

I propose: (I) Before a rule is seconded, it can be amended by other players. After the amendment is proposed, there can be no voting on the initial rule. That amendment goes through the same process a rule would go through. If the amendment passes, the amended rule now gets voted on. If the amendment fails, the previous un-amended rule may now be either amended again, or seconded. Reasoning: This rule will allow further discussion and involvement by players in the process of making fair rules. But... they do have 7 "a"s in their post don't they? 8 a's in fact.?

Hi, I'm Fura and this looks fun. I think I have been told people can still join, and I think @Illwei was trying to exploit me for us to get money and stuff... so yeah... that. Spider monkeys are cute. Joining this game now is difficult, as I've got to read all the rules and make sure I don't break any. Though I think I've used enough a's at this point as well. So, do I make rule proposals now? I'm ready to lose all the Atium I just gained. xD Amend: 206 - Strike, "It is not be allowed to just put them all in a row like "aaaa" in order to prevent someone from benefitting from this rule", and replace with, "Only a's that add meaning to the post are allowed to be added" Introduce: (1) The Lord Ruler may appoint a noble as Senate Secretary. This noble will be in charge of assisting other nobles get rid of spelling errors and grammatical mistakes in their laws. If anyone comes to the Secretary with a future proposal, the Secretary is not allowed to propose any idea from that proposal for the duration of the page. A Secretary in violation of this will lose their role, and be fined 5 Atium. Reasoning: Reading through the current laws, there are quite a few instances where slightly altered wording, while having the exact same legal effect, would assist in new players such as myself being able to understand and learn the game quicker. This will make it easier for new players to join. (2) For each spelling error in a law, the house that created said law is fined 1 Atium per error. The Secretary would pay a 3 Atium fine per error for any law they create or assist with. Reasoning: Just motivation to make sure people spell things correctly. (3) All players are allowed to create up to 1 PM per page. They are only allowed to use this PM for the duration of the page. Each PM may have up to 2 players in it, and must include either The Lord Ruler or a proxy The Lord Ruler designates. Reasoning: Being able to talk in PMs will remove random discussions from the thread, making it easier to follow. People will of course be free to continue talking in thread if they prefer that. The Lord Ruler (or representative) also should be party to any private discussions happening to ensure there is no plot of uprising, and to ensure anyone plotting such a thing can be adequately punished. Also PMs are fun. =) (4) Players are allowed to sue other players for damages. If a player breaks either a contract or rule that directly hurts another player financially (Atium) or otherwise. The victim may propose damages and take the offender to court. Each party may choose one member of the court, and agree on a third. TLR may deem any member of the court unsuitably biased, if so, they must be chosen again. Court proceedings can be dismissed at anytime by the person proposing damages. Reasoning: This will both proactively discourage people illegally exploiting others, but also allow victims to recover any losses they may have suffered.

Thanks. That'll force me not to change my mind. xD Edit: Also, is this the same game we were discussing in the LG56 spec/dead doc?

Awww, you had the perfect opportunity to PAFO. : P I've been hearing rumors about this game for almost a year now, and I have been looking forward to this game so much. However, due to finals coming up and becoming more and more busy IRL, I regret I'll have to sign up only for the spec doc. : /

No... I genuinely missed that xD I forgot that the regular lynch is also important. Because you're right, once the elims outnumber the village, they have control of the lynch, and will most likely win at that point. For some reason I had it in my head that the elims only took over the game at a 3/5th Quick tip, there are other options too: Copy/Pasting the quote into the post you are editing. Using quoteation marks Using the quote box, and @ing the person you are quoting. Or anything else you can think of. .You're not bad, but these games do take practice. The only way to get better is to play more. : ) Archivist's question to you was a legitamate response to your post, and is just trying to figure out if you are an elim or not. Orlok's "confession" was a joke. Jokes are NAI. Aaaaand, actually no. There have been games won on the first cycle before. : P I mean, technically proving my role won't prove anything about my alignment... But that's just a technically. : P Targeting someone that died is not proof of being an elim. it's just suspicious. This reads as very weird to me.Saying DeTess's defense is "completely sound"... Unless I'm misunderstanding what Kynedath is talking about, there is no "completely sound" defense barring being the primary force in lynching elims. And now I'm back to school. I really didn't have time to sign up for a 30 person game. Lol

I've PMed DeTess. That's what you're getting out of me. : P DeTess has yet to get online, probably because they're sleeping.

Ok yeah, that's true.

Just woke up from a much needed nap, but if tied lynches kill both people, we should tie the vote between Pyro and Straw. Also @Orlok Tsubodai I asked for the vote count because I'm color blind. I looked back at my old posts, and still didn't see a vote count.

. . . 0.o You think Joe would count that? Pryo Pyro

Or if I will respond at all Ok then xD I think that's a lot of protections flying around. If there is a high elim count, they probably don't have a bodyguard, and the village might have 1/2. If there is a low elim count, they probably have 1 (or even 2) bodyguards, and the village will probably have one. This all being said, there could be none in the entire game, or lots with lots of bartenders. Joe is a troll so who knows.Hmm, for some reason I thought bleeder attacks couldn't be blocked at all, but apparently that's only on Lord Winsting. I'm getting tired again, but I'm pretty sure the most likely option on this list, assuming you are not an elim, is that Karnage was redirected. The fact you jump straight to assuming he is evil, rather than giving him the benifit of the doubt sounds like a flailing elim. Because Flogs is the main force stopping the SK from winning. Giving him an extra life makes the SK's job harder, as Flogs can't be killed by a random elim/SK hit. Also... hedging... got it. : P What are the chances of lynching flogs on C1? Well, it's the same odds. xD Agreed. Unlikely? It's possible, but it would be rather poor etiquette to buss an active team member on C2. Like, the deciding thing in Straw dying this cycle is Karnage's claim, so for all we know Straw may not have died. If this is a bus, the elims must be desperate. Lol Ah, so the thing I thought was most likely, is impossible. And I'm skimming through these last long posts, as I'm done with reading for a bit, and have to do some more reading for school a bit later today. I'm going to put my vote on Pyro, as I think asking a bartender to kill Straw will be more informative as to the elim team comp. Pryo Edit: I spent a ton of time reading and responding and stuff, and every time I was about to post, I got ninja'd like 20 times. Lol

Ok, I'm mentally exhausted, but my essay was just postponed by 2 more days, so I'm going to procrastinate a bit and do some analysis before the end of the cycle. And the Shard just deleted everything I had... sigh I'm going to look over the 4 main people up for the lynch. It's worth mentioning that the votes are dangerously close, so up to 3 people could die from this lynch if we don't consolidate the votes somewhat. Karnage: Anyways, elim read on Karnage. I voted him as a joke originally, but throughout the turn has done plenty suspicious, I think. TGK: Just ninja'd me with a vote on Pyro. There is a clear progression in TGK's playstyle this game, and I'm kinda liking it. Not voting on him. Ok, I was going to look into Sart and Straw, but I've been working on this for 2 hours, have other stuff to do tonight, and have to get up early, so I'm pulling the plug on this post here. Straw Karnage

I'm not really on. Just trying not to fall behind the thread while working on an essay... But here is something I started writing before I went to homework. Yes, I jumped from Karnage's wagon because of the rush of votes. They died down so idk now. I'd have to look back through the thread as to who voted when. Something I'll do when my essay is done. Did I mention a bad gut read on DeTess? I'm not really thinking about this game right now, but I don't recall saying that? I think I just disagreed with them. I'd have to go back and reread our posts. Because people aren't piling on you a ton? You sound a bit defensive? You do realize there are like 4 other people up for the lynch with you right now, right? Lol Mostly it's the first, like I keep saying. It's something I've seen Drake do a lot, and I've found he is normally right. When no one is defending someone, of if too many people are jumping to them, then they aren't a good lynch. Also, it's D1. No one is going to have perfect reasons. Are we just doing this every game now? Lol

Assuming no one had extra lives remaining, who would win in that case?

Oh, I thought with all the votes we must be seconds away from rollover. xD

Does Pyro have any votes? I'd check but I'm color blind and doing other stuff at the same time. xD

Great, so three people in danger of the lynch.

sigh That was because I was ninja'd a bunch. I don't know the vote count, but I know the lynch is something between you and Karnage right now. I don't like how Karnage got so many votes so quickly, so I'm getting off his lynch. If someone wants to give me a vote count, that would be appreciated. =)

When new players join the thread, they typically speak in a certain way with asking question in thread, sounding super innocent, etc. I know this isn't always the case, as I wasn't quite like that my first game (Probably in large part to it being a Free for All). However it is a trend I've seen. It also seems to correlate with being village.Due to this, Emi is probably village. Exceed parity by cycle 4? My analysis said that lylo would be C5, so C6 would exceed parity? Am I misreading my own analysis? I think you are though. Something about your paragraph about Araris and Sart is throwing me off, though I'm not sure why exactly. But it seems that you are assuming Araris is an elim, then clearing others based on that, then saying Araris isn't actually an elim. Why do you have Orlok in your top village leans? I don't believe anything Orlok has done so far is AI at all for him. I also will say to be careful about Araris. His playstyle is very aggressive which some take to be suspicious. I disagree about info lynching. First, I'll say I'm not super fond of it on principle, as I feel like it isn't fun to be lynched for information. However, I do believe it to be effective and a good strategy for finding elims. Even once you say you are info lynching, the elims still have to try to find a way to avoid lynching their teammates. There will still be discussion. It's kind of the same as regular D1 lynching anyways. That's what the game is. A struggle between gaining information and not knowing what information is real or fake. Then we use this information to make educated guesses to gain more information that might be real or fake. We did gain a lot of useful info. However the elim team played really well. It was mentioned that Sart may still be an elim bussing a teammate, but the villagers in that game made the wrong call and trusted him anyways. It happens. I've taken several hours to write this soooooo... I've been ninja'd way too many times. It seems that the lynch is shifting to Karnage though, which I don't like. I voted on him as a joke, but why is everyone else moving to him? Karnage Straw

Ok, so this threw me off when I first read it, but I did some looking at the kills and: Votes needed for Dispersing the party C1: 18-12 (30 -lynch, -elims, -sk) C2: 17-10 (27 -lynch, -elims, -sk, -bartender(?)) C3: 14-9 (23 -lynch, -elims, -sk) C4: 12-8 (20 -lynch, -elims, -sk -bartender(?)) C5: 10-6 (16 -lynch, -elims, -sk) C6: 8-5 (13 -lynch, -elims, -sk -bartender(?)) C7: 6-3 (9 -lynch, -elims, -sk) C8: 4-2 (6 -lynch, -elims, -sk -bartender(?)) This is if everything goes perfectly for the elims, and no kills or lynches target them. 25% of 30 players is 7.5, so there are probably about that many, but it doesn't make a big difference to if there are 6-9 elims as long as there are less than 10. And especially in this game it's wise to assume the most amount of elims, so 9 is probably a good number looking at this as the elims would then win on C6, which gives plenty of time for the village. Another thing to consider though is a perfect village game (assuming 10 elims): C1: 19-10-1 (30 -lynch, -elims, -sk) C2: 18-8-1 (27 -lynch, -elims, -sk, -bartender(?)) C3: 17-5-1 (23 -lynch, -elims, -sk) C4: 16-3-1 (20 -lynch, -elims, -sk -bartender(?)) C5: 15-0-1 (16 -lynch, -sk) This also seems reasonable. With either 9 or 10 elims it would take 5 cycles to kill them all... And I had a lot of stuff to do, but got distracted with a PM, and now have stuff I need to do IRL. I'll be back later tonight. Hopefully this makes sense... Lol... I've been working on this for so long I've kind of forgotten why I was interested in this... xD