SwordNimiForPresident

Brandon used the words "certain psychopathic tendencies". You could say this of anyone that is able to kill another human and not feel remorse. Personally I think that most of the people he killed had it coming and he was justified in not feeling guilty. He chose to die to save a few of his friends. Not even people that were important to his schemes (unless you count that he needed OreSeur to imitate him after he died {super not selfish} and who also would not have died from beheading). He pretty much gave up any chance of getting revenge personally in order to save a bunch of nobodies that he felt responsible for. Your hypothetical "better way" was right there, all he had to do is not save them. You could also say that those things helped someone else first and Kelsier as a happy bonus. It's not self serving to giving someone else great power and have hope that they can help you out of a bad situation later. Of course he could, he is a terrorist. He also happens to be fighting for a good cause. Mile's situation would basically be like Kelsier working for Rashek and then trying to say that he was fighting the system. If Mile's was like Kelsier, Suit would have been dead in book 1. Maybe worship is just a natural reaction to the Immortal Fullborn that single handedly saved your entire civilization. It's probably what made him leave TBH, he wouldn't have liked the obvious parallel to Rashek. TLR 2.0 who set his people up for success and then left them to make their own destiny.

Out of curiosity, what gives you both such negative impressions for Kelsier? Certainly he has murdered a lot of people, but is it really murder to kill your enemy in a war? Listing his known goals throughout the books. Save the oppressed from their semi evil quasi god. Save his people from their actually evil actual god (which also involved willingly giving away the power of a god). Saving a foreign group of people from the sudden ice age caused by the end of the world even though he owes them nothing. I'm not seeing the uncaring bad guy that you guys see. I also just realized how off topic I am, so I apologize.

Hopefully this isn't to raunchy. Shard "adult paraphernalia" *Pattern hums nervously*

@Inky Weird. Well if he's not off world then I'd love to know what his excuse is for letting things go sideways with the Set. They're basically trying to build a kind of institutional slavery based on debt (which is way to real). "I literally died to save these people from slavery. Oh look they're getting enslaved again." *shrugs* -Kesier, Era 2 probably.

Was there a WoB on that or something? I know he couldn't leave while he was a cognitive shadow, but what's holding him back now?

Could be. Personally I think Kelsier is off world right now kicking names and taking chull. I imagine him countering threats before they can reach Scadrial, while gathering intel for Harmony about other beings like himself.

The question was “who are the worldhoppers we know”. I have no clue how they got to Roshar.

It was a major plot point of Oathbringer that the Voidbringers were actually humans and that they had migrated to Roshar after destroying their home world. The revelation of this was part of what caused the coalition to fracture.

Humans are not native to the planet Roshar, and unless I’m mistaken, the Heralds predate the migration.

Tell that to Malata. Also, you could easily Soulcast or Lightweave from inside the bubble. I'd say that swinging around a sword is one of the Radiant's least useful abilities. You could also put someone else in it to protect them.

The Heralds..

If you can summon a blade, you don't need to breathe, you have Stormlight. Same goes for the minor blunt trauma of getting tossed around.

Oh you mistake me, the armor wouldn't make the bubble, the blade would. Near as I can tell, Shardblades are indestructible. A bubble formed from one should protect you from almost anything.

Mistborn killer ends up being the hero. Everyone they killed was part of the Set.

Archangel from the X-men's wings (the Adamantium ones that Apocalypse gave him), just because. I also still stand by my Shard hamster bubble.

Bah, sorry for double post. I had another though in regards to this. Hemalurgic spikes can be used as metalminds. This means that there is no issue with the different Investitures inhabiting the same object. Similarly, two Feruchemist can store attributes in the same piece of metal (though the attributes remain separate from each other in an Identity sense). This makes me think that it would be reasonable for two Hemalurgic charges to inhabit the same spike.

So for a hypothetical multi-charge spike, you're getting the same effect as two or more of those charges in one, which would probably start warping you much more than a single ordinary spike with the same power simply because there's more of it. Bolding is mine. It says nothing about how charged the spikes are, only where they are, what they give, and how many of them there are. Aren't they always in the side of the torso? I'd have to go back and reread, but I'm pretty sure that's where the spikes were. Again, its what, where and how many, as per Harmony. Edit: Found something else in the epigraphs, bolding mine.

Ignoring all of the practical things a Mistborn could do with the ability to create illusions, lets talk about how cool they would look. So I was thinking about how impractical Mistcloaks are and a really cool visual idea occurred to me. Imagine, as the title suggests, a Mistborn with access to Lightweaving (any kind, not necessarily Stormlight). They could create a Mistcloak with their Lightweaving that doesn't make noise and can't be grabbed or snagged. This made me think of a scene in The Wheel of Time where one of the Forsaken (Mesana I think) appears to one of her minions. She covered herself in an illusion of black ribbons which twist and blow in a phantom wind (think Patterns head in cloak form). Apply that to the Mistcloak idea and you're left with a perfect garment for scaring guards Marasi, being sneaky looking cool, and brooding on top of Gothic architecture. As another benefit, you could burn pewter all the time to stay warm and just walk around naked with Lightwoven clothing. You could really mess with people by letting the illusion drop for a split second every once in a while.

That's what I was trying to say. There's probably a hard cap somewhere between "mistpoint" and Rashek/Elend. Fair enough, though with compounding it wouldn't be much of an issue. I guess depending on how nicrosil compounding works, it wouldn't matter how Invested your Allomancy spikes were either. edit: Again, you'd be naked without your nicrosilmind.

Welcome to the avalanche.

Unite them...

Yea, I assumed that a spike wouldn't be able to hold Investiture past "mistpoint". There wouldn't really be much point to double charging a Feruchemical spike since that's more of an on/off switch. You're either a Feruchemist or you aren't. F-Nicrosil is good, especially if you need to burst your powers over "mistpoint", but passively having higher Investiture levels would still be greatly beneficial. You would be really vulnerable without your metalminds for an example, just look what happened to Rashek. I think the warping effect has to do with where the spikes are placed rather than how many soul chunks are in them, otherwise Inquisitors would be abominations that make Koloss look cute. Pretty much any amount of Hemalurgy leaves you open. If you're going to use it, be ready for Harmony to take the wheel (even though he probably wont), or use less than three spikes. If you're worried about Soothers or Rioters trying to take over, you could probably prevent it with A-Copper or F-Electrum. Edit: or an aluminum foil hat.

If we're looking for a good historical analogue to Elantris, I would lean more towards the Napoleonic Wars, scecifically the War of the Third Coalition. The battle at Teod has a fairly direct paralel to the Battle of Trafalgar. The major land power (France/Fjordel) losing a large naval battle, thereby losing its ability to threaten the island nation (Britain/Teod). It didn't end the war, but it did set the invaders back significantly and allow the defenders time to build a coalition, eventually pushing the invaders back and winning the war.

This piece from the HoA epigraphs caught my attention. Bolding Mine. This seems to imply that you can use the same spike on multiple people to increase its power. Does this mean that you could kill multiple Coinshots with the same spike and then gain steel Allomancy at Rashek/Elend levels or beyond?

Bolding is mine. Except for the giant scary red blob to the east. As an American, our version of WWII is a bit like reading the interludes from one of the Stormlight books, and then trying to pretend you read the whole series.