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  1. Devotary of Spontaneity
    Why didn't you vote for Biplet at the end there? The most likely explanation is that you didn't want to vote for a teammate but I guess it's possible you rioted your own vote for some reason.
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    Books, Biplet Edit: Gears, don't you have steel to redirect?
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    I think your Books reasoning is better than your reasoning for me, or at least more likely to be accurate. I don't think I've ever had a game where I was sure of things and had strong opinions.
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    @Ashbringer is the other person who hasn't voted. Four votes on me all of a sudden. We have Books as a possible Cett, Illwei definitely not a Cett but could still be a Straff. Killing one doesn't really say anything about the other. Going after the Cetts first gets the kill down to one, but supposedly the point of having two elim teams is that they'd kill each other at some point. I don't actually remember why Illwei would be Straff though and I do remember why Cett!Books is a thing, even though that could be caused by simply lack of time. I think I'll vote for Books this time.
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    It would have been nice if Straff had killed Matrim and let us exe someone else, but I did indicate that the odds of that were poor enough that it would be better to exe Matrim. I voted for Gears in case Tani had actual suspicion that he was evil, tineye scan of him targeting Quinn/Liranil. Ash's Seeker idea where she scanned Gears and didn't see him burn a metal would have also been plausible. I assumed an elim Tani would have lied and blamed someone to stay alive, which she didn't do. If she had said 'Gears targeted Liranil C3' she probably would have lived and maybe not died this cycle even assuming Gears died and flipped Vin. The refusal to give information and the indignation when people didn't trust her made it seem like she actually had knowledge but that it wasn't enough to be sure that someone was an elim.
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    Tani should have learned something over three cycles that would be worth saying to attempt to save her life, but Terris does mean that any reprieve would be short lived. Decent enough chance that Tani learned something about Gears combined with his survival means it's not a good idea to vote for him. Tani choosing Gears over Books as someone who already had a vote should be either knowing something about Gears or thinking the chances of Books being a Cett were too high to risk voting for them.
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    All information that's helpful is either evidence that someone is village or that they're elim, which inevitably hurts someone. Getting someone cleared as village makes them a kill target and gives the actual elim fewer places to hide, while someone being revealed as an elim gets them killed. Telling elims what to do mechanically and claiming elim in RP is just something Gears does regardless of alignment. It still looks like you're going to die so you should reveal what information you have before rollover.
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    @Tani, I can't think of any role that could guarantee learning something useful. Also, almost by definition information that doesn't hurt anyone can't be useful. The standard way to deal with IKYKs is to trust them at first and then exe the person who brought it up if they're lying, but if your information won't lead to anyone's exe, won't lead to someone being cleared as a villager, and won't cause someone's role info to spill out into public knowledge, all of which would hurt someone, I can't think of what you could be trying to learn. Coinshot doesn't really help you learn anything. Lurcher goes off even if you die and also doesn't provide any information unless your target gets attacked, in which case we could figure that out ourselves. Tineye could learn something maybe, but the primary use is seeing if someone targeted the person who ended up dead, especially if that was the case the last time you scanned them. Kills are largely randomised and that would also for sure harm someone if you saw them target a kill target twice in a row. Thug gives no information. Rioter and Soother tell nothing since everyone who voted last cycle voted on Matrim. Smoker doesn't provide information to you. Seeker could help you find Vin, or check someone who didn't burn a metal last cycle to see if they do so this cycle, which could indicate they killed someone last cycle. Terris is too random to assume you'll accomplish something this cycle. Vin is the same as all the other metal roles, except you would be able to use atium/duralumin to amplify your results. Overall, I'm going to assume you're claiming Tineye who saw someone target Quinn or Liranil last cycle and wants to see if they target someone who ends up dying this cycle in case they had done something innocuous like another Tineye scan. If they do target kill victims twice in a row that would be worthy of an exe, if they don't, you don't really get any new information. While there's obviously no reason to assume a tineye or whatever you are is village regardless of whether you catch an elim, it also does seem like you think you'll learn something else. I'd be willing to vote Gears if you have reason to believe he could be evil other than giving advice to elim teams.
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    Cett members, knowing that Matrim was indeed their Mistborn, easily could have assumed he was doomed, dropped a vote ahead of the inevitable rush to exe him, and then dipped for the rest of the cycle having fulfilled their obligations. I think there would have been some trying to defend Matrim when it looked like he might live, but having two people who were on the defend Mat/attack Illwei side of things flip village does increase the odds that there are Cett(s) in the early votes before serious discussion.
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    Liranil may or may not have been a unanimous vote, but I don't see a reason to assume that she was a redirect or killed for her role. Just from last cycle there was her saying it wasn't necessarily ideal to kill Matrim, immediately jumping on the idea of Mat being Vin saying there's no reason for him to fake-claim, and saying that the elim teams had four players with no indication of doubt. I can see that being enough for someone to take a shot. Somewhere in there, I said that the elims (Straff) would prefer not to kill anyone they thought could be exed (Matrim), but might do so eventually if he somehow survived long enough.
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    Right, okay, I'm confusing atium and tin because atium sees everyone who targeted you with an action so far that cycle but tin would only see permanent actions, so you couldn't have seen Striker attack Illwei unless he was selected as the killer and that isn't the case because Illwei wasn't attacked.
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    What do you mean your Seeker scan failed? Do you learn the difference between your target being Smoked and your target not submitting any allomantic actions? I'm assuming that Striker burning atium and seeing someone target him for a kill would use steel on that person to redirect it, and I highly doubt Illwei put a kill on Striker. Matrim lying means Illwei is not a Cett and Matrim telling the truth means Illwei targeted Matrim. More that Striker could have been a Terris, but you're right that it doesn't look like a Terris would show up as targeting someone. Non-scanning actions still go through even if you die, so Striker using copper should still have been visible to a tin scan.
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    Just like a normal Mistborn in any other game, Zane doesn't get to choose which metals he gets every cycle. If Striker got copper for C2, he might as well use it. Since Zane can burn the same metals in consecutive cycles, if he used atium and saw somebody targeting him with a kill, he should have used Steel to redirect it. Since he died anyway, that means that somebody other than Mat submitted the kill whether or not Striker saw Matrim attack him, Gnkdsljf!Matrim decided to use steel against Striker just in case, Striker redirected Gnoreidjs!Matrim's allomantic action instead of the kill action, or a weird scenario where Matrim did kill Striker who had lied about the atium and was just throwing out a name at random. Smoking doesn't block a tin scan, so if Matrim did use tin against Striker he should have seen who Striker targeted. Not entirely sure why Striker would have decided to Smoke Illwei in this scenario. I don't think Matrim could have known that Striker was using copper on Illwei though. Seeing him target somebody without an accompanying metal being burned could have also meant an attack or even a second Terris.
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    It's mostly just a game of chicken at this point. It's not worthwhile to exe Matrim if Straff is going to kill him, and Straff won't kill him so long as they expect Matrim to get exed. Matrim needs to die at some point but nobody especially wants to kill him. If we leave Cett!Matrim alive for too long, he might be able to muster up the votes to save himself. There's not really a good solution here except hoping somebody folds before we get to that point. It's not bad to vote Matrim though, since that should still help.
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    I am in the game. I read all the posts from the first two cycles but hadn't been trying to figure out alignments so the only thing I'm going on is Striker's last post. Would you kill Matrim even if we exed you? @Matrim's Dice, would you kill Illwei if we exed you?
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    So Striker being Zane makes more sense than him being Vin, since Vin!Striker should have been able to survive an attack by burning Steel and redirecting his attacker. Zane's team doesn't seem to have a Lurcher since they didn't protect Striker either time. Assuming Striker did burn atium, he might have been able to tell that someone wasn't on his team. Atium reveals all actions and the players who submitted those actions, and since Straff players know who their Mistborn is, there's no reason for them to target Zane with any metal other than iron or copper. I don't think that matters in this case though, since if Matrim isn't the Cett Mistborn, he's a Thug who wouldn't have been able to target Zane with anything. That or Matrim is Vin/was Lurched, but I assume he would have claimed that if it was true. I also would have assumed Striker would prefer the village to waste an exe or two killing Matrim instead of killing him personally as Illwei says, but I guess that's not the case. If Striker didn't burn atium and just named Mat randomly it especially makes no sense to kill him, unless some other Straff member put in the kill and didn't pay attention to remove it. Overall, Striker was more likely to have attacked Matrim if he was telling the truth about using atium, than if he's just throwing out a random name. If Striker had scanned Matrim doing some other metal action it especially makes sense to kill him, but then Matrim wouldn't have survived unless he's Vin or was Lurched, and he's claiming just Thug. The scenario where Matrim is a village Thug is one where Striker was just fully lying, assumed Mat was too hostile towards him to be a Straff, and got unlucky that a Straff teammate picked Matrim as a kill. That gives enough reason to believe Matrim is a Cett, and likely the Mistborn since having elim Thugs is a lot of lives to chew through. Straff would have to kill Cett Mistborn!Mat at some point, and Mat shouldn't be able to survive unless he picked the right player to burn steel at. I don't think the elim teams have to be so symmetrical that Straff's apparent lack of a Lurcher means Cett doesn't have a Lurcher, but also Lurcher's can't save people twice in a row. I do however think that should be trying to get the elims to fight each other, and I don't know if trying to kill two members of the same team does that better than keeping things even. If Illwei dies and is Straff, then Cett won't be hunting for any remaining Straff, though maybe since there's not really a good way for the elim teams to work together, remaining Straff members would want to go after Cett by killing any they find for a while. So killing Straff!Illwei makes sure Matrim gets attacked tonight, killing Illwei is objectively worse if they're a villager, unclear if Cett would attack Illwei today as a Straff suspicion if Matrim dies as their Mistborn. The optimal scenario is exe Matrim, have Cett kill Illwei, but it's hard to gain cooperation by actively going against their interests.
  17. Devotary of Spontaneity
    Sonnah should have known there was no getting away clean from the Steel Ministry, much less an Inquisitor. It had only been three months since they had been attacked by a steel eyed enforcer on the way to the drop point with the requisite load of explosives. Sonnah had immediately pretended to surrender upon command, no sense in getting shot full of holes before she could get in close. Upon getting within 30 feet, they'd ignited one of the more portable bombs and thrown it at the Inquisitor, who made no effort to dodge it. She'd been horrified to see the terrible wounds inflicted seal up almost immediately, momentarily blanking on a plan to escape. Taking advantage of Sonnah's distraction, the Inquisitor had taken a bronze spike out of a blood filled thermos and driven it deep into Sonnah's heart. They staggered, fully expecting to die at any moment, but after a few seconds remembered the most important objective, making sure their explosives didn't fall into the hands of the Lord Ruler's servants. She'd ignited all the remaining explosives and run, fully expecting to feel coins ripping through their body at any moment. Instead, the bombs all went off at once in a tremendous explosion just as Sonnah made it to the relative safety of the woods. She looked up just in time to see the Inquisitor sailing away through the air. Sighing in relief at having survived, Sonnah took the more cautious route to the dropoff point, scrawling a letter that the shipment had been lost in an attack and that the location was no longer safe, before heading home to start working on a new batch of explosives. The voices had begun a month later just as Sonnah had gotten over the novelty of having a permanent piece of metal embedded in their heart, whispering secrets of alchemical destruction in her head. Tried and true recipes had mysteriously changed, suggesting methods of making new, more powerful explosives. Strange voices couldn't necessarily be trusted, but chemical formulas could be tested, and they couldn't deny the efficacy of the new designs. Perhaps this new entity and its knowledge could be the key to dismantling the Lord Ruler's empire and reducing the noble houses to rubble. She didn't realise this god could be just as cruel as the previous one until she followed an anonymously delivered note's instructions to the new drop point only to find several familiar individuals, people they recognised from Fallion's Tears, similarly impaled with bits of metal in the company of a Steel Inquisitor. They tried to run only to have the voice in her head shriek so loudly she thought everyone would be able to hear it for miles. As they stopped to clutch their head, the Inquisitor had rushed to her side faster than anyone should be able to travel and shoved a vial of metal down their throat. "Now burn them," ordered the Voice. Sonnah resisted. Allomancy was the Lord Ruler's tool, not something an honest skaa would use on behalf of his servants. "Now burn them," said the Inquisitor in the exact same tone as the Voice. She reached for a match with which to blow them all to bits but then Marll and Arenta were there, each holding one of their arms back as the Inquisitor withdrew two bloody iron spikes and with the same supernatural quickness jammed them into her thighs, then a steel linchpin in the back. Sonnah opened their mouth to scream but it was the Voice that emerged. "Unfortunate that this one wouldn't cooperate. Make sure that she's worth it." Everyone present nodded, and to their horror Sonnah did too. "I do apologise for having to take drastic measures. Perhaps I should have explained that the Inquisitors serve me now, just as you do. Our first order of business will be to purge your little village and prepare for my ascension. I assure you, together we can make sure the thousand years of noble rule will finally come to an end. In the meantime, won't you accept the gift I have given you? The blood has cleansed its noble taint, leaving only the power." And so for the first time, Sonnah burned copper. "Once the nobles are gone, you'll be next," she told the Voice, and smiled when it didn't respond. If it couldn't hear their thoughts it could be beaten, and if there was one thing an alchemist learned it was patience.
  18. Devotary of Spontaneity
    Ruin Will Win.
  19. Devotary of Spontaneity
    There's no e and no l in the first word. Let's just go with N for now to be safe.
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    W
  21. Devotary of Spontaneity
    I don't know why people voted on Reading beforehand, but coming back just to threaten Illwei is unforgivable.
  22. Devotary of Spontaneity
    I'll be a pinch hitter.
  23. Devotary of Spontaneity
    Apparently when the Mistborn dies, some other villager becomes the Mistborn and might be able to Lurch the kill target.
  24. Devotary of Spontaneity
    Sadly, or rather fortunately, Fifth's ability only works on villagers. My Seeker ability only works on elims, and we're only pretty sure that the 'random' ability it confers is always bronze. I'm going to give it one more try tonight.
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    Araris, Condensation
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