Lightflame

Of course it's now flowery! Rothfuss hasn't finished editing Doors of Stone yet, so the ending was still in very rough shape when he showed it to me. It'll look much better in the finished version.

Okay, I can say with near certainty that "Taln" isn't Nohadon. Brandon confirmed that the "Taln" at the end of TWoK is the "Taln" in WoR. Nohadon was a Radiant. A few years back, he answered a question of mine, telling me that we haven't seen any Radiants in the modern parts of TWoK. Link So therefore we haven't seen Nohadon in TWoK. He can't be "Taln", then.

Well, it's the same gender as him, for one.

In that case, Hoid would return to the Cosmere with a new talking skull. And Harry would probably make Hoid take the Star Wars movies back to the Cosmere.

Okay, so the Cosmere will be 36 novels long, right? - 10 Stormlight [10] - 9 Mistborn (Not counting The Mistborn Adventures spinoff) [19] - 3 Elantris [22] - 2 Warbreaker [24] - 7 Dragonsteel [31] - 3 White Sand [34] - The Silence Divine [35] So, am I missing a book? Anyway, I've been wondering how Brandon is going to end the Cosmere. Will it be with Dragonsteel? Space Mistborn? The 36th book that I can't think of? And how will he do it? Will it be a massive crossover where all the characters come together, even the dead ones like Lightsong and the ones nobody except me cares about, like Crews Geffenry and Lady Patresen (props if you can remember who they are)? Will Hoid die for good? Regardless, what I really want is for the last book to be called There's Always Another Secret. Anyway, share your ideas for a suitably epic conclusion, please!

I would take the Shard of Lightflame, which would transform me into myself, with divine powers.

I've had three that I can remember. The first one is detailed here: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/2876-lego-cosmere-and-the-hunt-for-the-hoid/ The second one I can remember was really short. In it, Gaz was in the Hunger Games. He was running by a cliff with Katniss when a helicopter flew up and shot him, killing him. The third one happened this morning. Kalak had his Honorblade back, and he was working as a lackey for Sadeas. However, one of the Alethi warcodes was "You're not allowed to bring Heralds along on plateau runs", which made Sadeas furious. Sadeas sent Kalak to go kill people in the Kholin warcamp. Shallan was in the Kholin barracks for some reason. Kalak went to the barracks and killed every single one of Dalinar's troops except for the bridgemen. He tried to kill Shallan, but she escaped with Lightweaving. However, she tripped and knocked herself out on the way to Dalinar. There were no witnesses except Shallan, so nobody knew that Kalak had done the deed. Sadeas convinced Dalinar to sign some papers because of the massacre. However, Kaladin came by and realized that the papers would allow Sadeas to sent Kalak on plateau runs and to kill Dalinar, and neither Sadeas or Kalak would face any consequences. He warned Dalinar, who still considered signing the papers, but ultimately refused. Sadeas yelled, "Drat, foiled again!" and scurried back to his warcamp.

On page 549 of Words of Radiance, Shallan reads a book by a Shin writer who uses the phrase "Stones Unhallowed".

This is an old topic, but my brother was rereading Warbreaker, and he was looking for any character that could be the Terriswoman. He mentioned the nurse as a possibility, but he found another one as well. I don't have a page number (I'll have to ask him to find the passage for me), but I can paraphrase his words. "There's this one petitioner for Lightsong who only shows up for half a page. She causes him to flip out, and he wonders what was different about her, since he's been through hundreds of petitions before. She's never mentioned in the story again, even though she caused such a strong reaction in Lightsong. Perhaps she was using duraluminum to connect with him emotionally, making him more likely to hand over his breath?" I don't know which petitioner this could be (I'll need to get my brother to show me), but I suppose there's another candidate now.

Not that I think "Taln" is actually Nohadon, but it was never conclusively stated that the dude Dalinar met was Nohadon. Dalinar has a gut feeling that tells him it's Nohadon, and the guy made the saying that Dalinar uses, but aside from that we can't be completely sure that it was, in fact, Nohadon. I think that something more is going on here, and I'll need to ask Brandon some questions about it. However, I wonder if the answer to our riddle is that Nohadon is actually a title passed down between multiple people. After all, it wasn't Bajerden's real name.

At the end of The Stormlight Archive, Hoid will be punched by someone, and the punch will be so hard that it will throw Hoid right out of the Cosmere and into another writer's novel. After that, one fantasy novel a year will reveal that one of its characters is Hoid, and show his journey to get back to the Cosmere. The first of these novels will be The Winds of Winter, and the second will be Doors of Stone. I don't know who Hoid is in ASOIAF, mostly because I've only read A Game of Thrones and A Clash of Kings, but I'm thinking maybe he's Varys? Correct me if you can think of a better character. Also, while I'm only two thirds of the way through The Name of the Wind, it's clear that without a doubt, Skarpi is Hoid. Anyway, Hoid's jumping through other fantasy novels will end when Brandon starts the modern segment of Dragonsteel, at which point Hoid will make his triumphant return to the Cosmere. This puts the release dates of The Winds of Winter and Doors of Stone at one year and two years after SA10 respectively, which is far earlier than anyone anticipated. I wonder when we're getting A Dream of Spring. By the way, I know the ending of Doors of Stone. Enthralling, isn't it?

I'm a Silent Gatherer! I forgot what that's from, but I'll take it.

http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6844-how-do-the-parshendi-forms-connect-to-the-surgesdivine-attributes/ I posted something like this a few days back. Anyway, I'm going to give my thoughts on a small piece of this. I don't think the Voidish forms are Voidbringers. Rather, I think that only Stormform Parshendi are Voidbringers. The Stormforms create the Everstorm, which makes the other Parshendi Voidish. Thus, they "bring the void". The other Voidish Forms are the main warriors of Odium, and each of them is a counterpart to a Radiant Order. This is somewhat compounded by the Epigraphs of Part 2. Decayform, Smokeform, and Nightform are sung of in the Song of Secrets, but Stormform is sung of in a different song, the Song of Winds. As well, the songs refer to Decayform, Smokeform, and Nightform as forms of the gods, but of Stormform merely says that it "brings the gods their night". Also, it's mentioned in The Way of Kings that in superstitions, it's said that Voidbringers enter a man's heart and turn him evil. If humans and Parshendi used to coexist with knowledge of each other and possibly in peace, then the Voidbringers would have been seen as the agent that changed the Parshendi into the evil warriors of the void. However, as humans forget about the Parshendi, they still remembered the Voidbringers turning friends evil, so they thought Voidbringers turned you evil. So once again, I think that the Voidbringers are Stormform, and the rest of the Voidish forms are the counterparts to the Radiants.

As a loyal supporter of Jasnah/Szeth, I'm going to assume that they will gain a lot of respect for each other when they reveal that they aren't left-handed. "Hello. My name is Jasnah Kholin. You killed my father. Let's team up."

So in honour of the "What happened to Gaz?" topic (http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/474-gazs-death/), which has become one of the funniest topics now that we know what happened to him (Hoid killing Gaz to get some money was one of the saner theories), I suggest that we make theories about what happened to Sadeas. Rules of theories: We don't see the scene where Adolin kills Sadeas, and Adolin hides Sadeas's body really well. So the last time we saw Sadeas was back at the warcamps. Suddenly, his Shardblade shows up in a flower pot in Urithiru, while Sadeas himself is nowhere to be found in Urithiru or the Warcamps. What happened to Sadeas? My theory is that Sadeas is a Radiant, specifically a Willshaper. He went to Urithiru to team up with the rest of the new Radiants, but Nin attacked him because of his betrayal of Dalinar. Surprised, Sadeas summoned Oathbringer, only for it to start screaming. Sadeas freaked out, ditched his Shardblade, and accidentally teleported himself to somewhere where nobody knows who he is, like the Horneater Peaks. Then, when the other characters need a Willshaper, he'll come back and save the day.

This thread has become the most hilarious thing with knowledge of what actually happened to Gaz. Gaz as a Herald? Gaz killed by Szeth? Gaz killed by Hoid? Taravangian spelled "Taragavinian", "Taragavanivigan", and "Taverengavian"? Better than any joke thread I could make.

Looking over the Parshendi epigraphs, it seems that some of the forms match up to the Divine Attributes. I wonder what the significance of this is? We know eight of the normal forms: - Warform ("Warform is worn for battle and reign, / Claimed by the gods, given to kill. / Unknown, unseen, but vital to gain. / It comes to those with the will.") - Workform ("Workform worn for strength and care. / Whispering spren breathe at your ear. / Seek first this form, its mysteries to bear. / Found here is freedom from fear.") - Mateform ("Mateform meek, for love to share, / Given to life, it brings us joy. / To find this form, one must care. / True empathy one must employ.") - Nimbleform ("Nimbleform has a delicate touch. / Gave the gods this form to many, / Tho’ once defied, by the gods they were crushed. / This form craves precision and plenty.") - Dullform ("Dullform dread, with the mind most lost. / The lowest, and one not bright. / To find this form, one need banish cost. / It finds you and brings you to blight.") - Scholarform ("Scholarform shown for patience and thought. / Beware its ambitions innate. / Though study and diligence bring the reward, / Loss of innocence may be one’s fate.") - Artform ("Artform applied for beauty and hue. / One yearns for the songs it creates. / Most misunderstood by the artist it’s true, / Come the spren to foundation’s fates.") ("Artform for colors beyond our ken; / For its grand songs we yearn. / We must attract creationspren; / These songs suffice ’til we learn.") - Mediationform ("Mediationform made for peace, it’s said. / Form of teaching and consolation. / When used by the gods, it became instead / Form of lies and desolation.") Here are the divine attributes, meanwhile. (With associated Heralds, because why not?) - Protecting/Leading (Jezrien) - Just/Confident (Nin) - Brave/Obedient (Chan-a-rach) - Loving/Healing (Vedel) - Learned/Giving (Paliah) - Creative/Honest (Ash) - Wise/Careful (Battar) - Resolute/Builder (Kalak) - Dependable/Resourceful (Talenel) - Pious/Guiding (Ishar) Now, onto those divine attributes. - Artform obviously matches up to Creative. - Workform seems to match up with Resolute/Builder. Workform is all about building and doing labour with determination. - Mediationform is Wise/Careful. You need to use wisdom to find peace. - Mateform is Loving. It is associated with love, of course. - Scholarform seems to be learned, because those that use it are knowledgeable. I'm not sure where Nimbleform or Warform would fit, and I question whether Dullform even has a divine attribute. Meanwhile, the Song of Spren talks about the Surges of humans becoming the powers of the Listeners. (Chapters 32 and 33) The ten surges are Adhesion, Gravitation, Division, Abrasion, Progression, Illumination, Transformation, Transportation, Cohesion, and Tension. We know four of the bad forms. - Stormform ("Stormform is said to cause / A tempest of winds and showers, / Beware its powers, beware its powers. / Though its coming brings the gods their night, / It obliges a bloodred spren. / Beware its end, beware its end.") - Smokeform ("Smokeform for hiding and slipping between men. / A form of power, like human Surges. / Bring it ’round again. / Though crafted of gods, / It was by Unmade hand. / Leaves its force to be but one of foe or friend.") ("Smokeform for hiding and slipping ’tween men. / A form of power—like Surges of spren. / Do we dare to wear this form again? It spies. / Crafted of gods, this form we fear. / By Unmade touch its curse to bear, / Formed from shadow—and death is near. It lies.") - Decayform ("Decayform destroys the souls of dreams. / A form of gods to avoid, it seems. / Seek not its touch, nor beckon its screams, deny it. / Watch where you walk, your toes to tread. / O’er hill or rocky riverbed / Hold dear to fears that fill your head, defy it.") - Nightform ("Nightform predicting what will be, / The form of shadows, mind to foresee. / As the gods did leave, the nightform whispered. / A new storm will come, someday to break. / A new storm a new world to make. / A new storm a new path to take, the nightform listens.") - Smokeform sounds like Illumination, because it lets you hide and slip by men. I imagine this would let you cloak yourself with darkness. However, "slipping between men" could also be Transportation. - Decayform sounds like Division, the surge of Destruction and Decay. Because it destroys stuff. It could also be related to the Dustbringers/Releasers, who had the power of Stuff Blowing Up. - Nightform doesn't sound like a specific Surge, but rather like the Truthwatchers, the Radiant Order that predicts the future. Stormform doesn't seem to be like a Surge or Radiant Order we've met, and unlike the other three, we only see its entry in the Song of Winds, not the Song of Secrets. Something different, perhaps? They're called the Voidbringers, and they start the Everstorm, so maybe it's their job to start up the power of the Voidbindings? I may have screwed up on some of the divine attributes. By the way, the Ars Arcanum mentions that there should be a power other than Surgebinding and Voidbinding, one with ten different versions. Surgebinding seems human exclusive, while the dark forms could very well be Voidbinding, and would thus be Parshendi exclusive. So, what would come about if those two powers mixed? And what does all this stuff mean?

Taln mentions Vedel by name, so that's definitely her real name.

According to the Coppermind, the name of the last female Herald, the one associated with Chach, and with the Dustbringers/Releasers, is unknown. However, I know for a fact that it was revealed in Words of Radiance. Is this a case of me needing to edit the Coppermind, or did everyone else actually miss this? It was revealed in Hoid's "Fleet" story. This quite clearly confirms Chan-a-rach to be the Chach Herald's name. I'm not sure if this deserved it's own topic, so I'll just throw in a random bit of speculation. Since all the Heralds seem to be acting reverse-honourably, could Elhokar's wife Aesudan be a Herald? (Probably not, but maybe.)

Here's a topic to celebrate and pat yourselves on the back! Which of your theories were confirmed in Words of Radiance? How much did you get right? (And wrong too, if you care to share. We won't judge.) Personally for me it was that Shardblades were spren. I was slightly off (I thought they had spren trapped inside them instead of actually being spren), but I was close enough. Also, one of my jokes was, "Stormspren live in the Highstorms. They cosplay as Voidbringers, which is why superstitious people think that Voidbringers come out in Highstorms." I was surprised by how close it was to the truth. Now share your "I knew it" moments and give yourself a pat on the back!

I will soon, but my brother's had my copy of WoR since Sunday. I'll get it back when he's done with it, but for now I have to work from memory.

Unless Brandonalsium is trying to mislead us for some reason, the "two dead men" death rattle is definitely referring to Kaladin and Shallan, because the chapter where they climb out of the pit is called "True Glory". Similarly (unrelated but being brought up for the hell of it), "All is withdrawn from me. I stand against the one who saved my life. I protect the one who killed my promises. I raise my hand. The storm responds." almost certainly refers to when Kaladin spoke his Third Oath, because a chapter focused on how much Kaladin hates Elhokar is called "The One Who Killed Promises".

Awesome! Congrats to Brandon, and may the whole world someday bow to him as Brandonalsium the supreme!

It could be Nazh himself writing the Ars Arcanum.

Since the Stormfather is the spren of the Bondsmiths, then perhaps the 'Stormfather' part is part of the oath?