Bigmikey357

You know, this kinda makes me want to expand the topic somewhat. That's my understanding as well. In practice this means that all magic on Scadrial will look like Allomancy, all Rosharan magic will work on Surgebinding principles, all Selish magic is programming language in the form of glyphs and so on. By extension, Odium's system looks different if he invests on Nalthis as opposed to Roshar. The Intent of the Shard determines how a magic user interfaces with investiture while the solar system determines what form the magic system takes. So what determines the magic expression of a planet in the Cosmere? Was it predetermined by Adonolasium or is there something else about the place Realmatically?

Even if we've barely seen what Odium's magic system looks like in the narrative, what we've seen so far looks like a Surgebinding hack more than something original. I don't believe it would manifest in the same way as it does in the Rosharan System. Maybe a Rayse-centric magic system would look a lot like the Sith Lords before the Rule of Two era. That's my best guess.

No theory, just some idle speculation. We know that the Rosharan System was not Rayse's original stomping ground. He's a late-comer that invested in the native magic system, co-opted so that the magic he drives looks rather similar to the Shards in residence. Badvadin does the same thing on Scadrial making new kandra with a different god metal. My question is, if Rayse had different priorities and did what most shards do i.e. finding a planet of their very own and pouring their investiture into it, what would his magic system ultimately look like? According to Realmatic theory the intent of the Shards drives the magical interactions. For example, Hemalurgy ruins, Allomancy preserves, Surgebinders both bind and cultivate. With a Shard whose Intent is hate, how would that manifest in a magic system?

I doubt that anyone has asked this, but can the spren coat an existing weapon that they normally would be unable to form? A whip for example. I envision a plain leather whip, the spren spreads over it like quicksilver, the weapon maintains its flexibility while also making it impossible to cut.

At this point it's not so much that Jasnah is actively looking for a mate or romantic entanglement. It's more that she can no longer ignore convention like she did when she was just a princess and not in line for any type of throne. If she had married, whatever bloke captured the brass ring would have used her position to gain political power and a favorable ear to the king, meanwhile restricting her choices and providing an obstacle to her persuing her studies. Even if that's not what would have happened, she would believe it so based on observations of her parents. Now however she must think dynastically. She must secure her rule. The fastest and most efficient way to do so is to marry someone, make him Prince Consort and pop out a babe or 2. There are other ways to secure her rule and she very well may explore them but there's a war on. There may not be time to come up with an unorthodox solution, one that will keep the jackals at bay and the knives off her back. Having Kaladin play the role of Prince Consort is probably the very best option out there. He's the leader of the new power in the land, he has the respect of Dalinar and his cohort, he's handsome and fierce and quite unlikely to either betray her or restrict her dwindling freedom. My issues with the union aren't with Jasnah but with Kaladin. Jasnah has been immersed in politics since birth; she learned the moves at her mother's breast. She has the temperment to make a pragmatic decision such as marrying someone for dynastic reasons instead of romantic ones. But Kaladin is a passionate, impulsive dude. It's difficult for me to picture him marrying anyone for convenience or political necessity. We've seen him struggle with difficult choices and politically he can be maneuvered. To fulfill the role he needs coaching. To have the marriage fit his Oaths he must at least like her. Jasnah may like Kaladin a little bit and the potential for friendship is there from her end. But are the feelings mutual? We don't know; Kaladin was pretty fixed on Jasnah's ward until pretty much the end of OB. And romantic feelings or not, Jasnah will turn Kaladin into a glass statue if she thinks Kaladin has wandering eyes. At any rate Kaladin has his pick of the litter if he ever takes a second to put down the Sylspear and look. At this point he might as well be Dalinar's middle child, a landowner in his own right, and has a seat at the table on Roshar's most important councils. Jasnah is certainly attractive, but will Kaladin prefer someone closer to his own age?

Thanka guys. Been a while since I picked up White Sand and I haven't read the graphic novel either.

I have a question. Is Kriss able to see in the infared spectrum like other darksiders?

I believe the most heavily invested spren in system is Stormfather. He's the largest splinter of Honor, plus now he gets the boost from bonding. Nightwatcher is next; Cultivation isn't splintered and she isn't bonded so she doesn't have quite as much investiture as Stormfather. Yet she remains Cultivation's avatar and is thus special. The direct conduits of their respective Shards, nothing can be higher in the Hierarchy than those two. The only way the Sibling could be in the same weight class as them would be if the Sibling was Odium's creature, which I find unlikely. Barring that occurrence, the Sibling must therefore be installed in the next tier in the hierarchy with Cusicesh and any other Mega Spren revealed to us readers at a later date.

How do you know when your post is solid? When Calderis or Rshara give an up vote.

Let's try something a bit different. Ok so we know from the gem archive and other sources that the Sibling powered Urithiru and that it was withdrawing pre-Recreance. From that we can postulate that Melishi was not bonded to the Sibling at the time the Radients abandoned their Oaths and Spren. We also know that there is a hierarchy of Spren. Stormfather/Nightwatcher, as avatar of their respective Shard, are at the top of the hierarchy; Cusicesh is a step below them, at least a step above higher Spren like Pattern, Syl, Ivory and Windle ect. It's obvious to me that Cusicesh didn't power Urithiru so they have to be 2 different beings. Now this is where the crazy theorizing comes in. Where there are two Mega Spren, Cusicesh and the Sibling, there may be others. The Spren of Stone in Shinovar comes to mind as an example. And that brings to mind that maybe a Bondsmith has more options as to who they can bond other than the SF/NW/SIB trio. 3 is the upper limit for Bondsmith services at one time but that doesn't preclude there being no other options. I offer this quote: “But as for the Bondsmiths, they had members only three, which number was not uncommon for them; nor did they seek to increase this by great bounds, for during the times of Madasa, only one of their order was in continual accompaniment of Urithiru and its thrones. Their spren was understood to be specific, and to persuade them to grow to the magnitude of the other orders was seen as seditious." What that quote means to me is it were not seen as sedition, they could expand their Order, swell its ranks. If only the trio were eligible to become a Bondsmith Spren then it would be impossible to grow larger no matter how it was seen. That means there are other options available. Cusicesh could be the 3rd Bondsmith Spren, the one Melishi was bonded to at the time of the Recreance (Probably isn't. Calderis has the WOB quoted earlier in the post, but it may have been a Bondsmith Spren in past times). This theory hinges on another theory involving the nature of Mega Spren. I believe that the difference between our normal Nahel Spren and Mega Spren like SF and others is, to put it simply, Investiture. When a normal spren comes to the Physical Realm they lose much of their sapience unless, like Windle, them and their people take precautions. They are pieces of a God, but small pieces unable to withstand the transition from thought to matter. Mega Spren have more investiture so they can transition into the Physical and maintain much of their sapience with no need to be bonded. Nightwatcher, confirmed to be a Bondsmith Spren, can think and she has no one holding a bond with her. Stormfather had no bond with SF until the end of WOR. He was fully sapient in the Physical Realm. The Sibling and others might not retain as much sapience as those two but I think they can interact without a bond and not be completely stupid. And that to me means Cusicesh, the outlier, was probably broken by a Radiant.

How about I will Remember You by Faith Hill for Lyft.

What weapon does a Mistborn have that can penetrate living Shardplate? Their normal arsenal, glass knives and metal coins, wouldn't even scratch regular Shardplate much less the living variety. And all the Atium in the world won't help if nothing you are able to do can harm your opponent. They can't even push/pull the opponent without a significant anchor. Not only is a person in Shardplate going to be much heavier than the Mistborn, they're invested as well. I'm not sure it's even possible to affect them with allomancy period; if so, they won't be moving them far even with duraluminum. For the Radient, which order is fighting? The ones that do their damage at close quarters are probably not catching a Mistborn with all metals unless they are in an enclosed space. Even that is debatable when factoring in Atium. But the Surgebinders who can work at a distance or can alter landscapes have a better chance of the 'checkmate' like we see in Reckoners. Division to set the landscape aflame, Cohesion to make any substance surrounding them act like clay or quicksand, Transformation if you could do it like Jasnah. Illumination can counter emotional allomancy. With Adhesion you could pull a Szeth and spray Stormlight at an area and make that area sticky temporarily. The Mistborn needs to get in close to do anything that could actually hurt a Surgebinder with live Plate (stab in the vision slit ala Kaladin). But one slip up, and the Mistborn gets crushed. I see a draw, slight advantage to the Radient. Now if the Radient fights a Fullborn the Radient dies without contest.

Abrasion (friction) and Adhesion.

I think that some Orders would look to interpret that First Oath in the way the OP lays it out while others would interpret them in the traditional way. While reading my mind strayed to Jasnah and how she would view the Oaths in comparison to how Kaladin would. So, knowing that Orders interpret Oaths differently, which Orders do you think are most likely to interpret those oaths in the reverse complementary way and which would see them as straightforward?

You're right. Words are important. I meant resonance. I purposely did not factor in a Full 5 Radient because I'm pretty sure there won't be many of them, that there weren't many of them even before the Recreance. While a full 5 Radient would be super powerful vs Fused, their extremely limited numbers makes their use in battle of a limited utility. Fortunately you don't need to be at full 5 to get Shardplate. As far as healing with Voidlight, I'm not so sure that the Fused would even bother. They don't seem to care what happens to the bodies they inhabit and defeat in battle doesn't mean death for them, not permanently.

Even with the inherent disadvantages, Stormlight Surgebinders still have some advantages. First, the Fused are only imparted with one Surge instead of 2. That means every KR is a Compounder once they master both of their surges. Second, they get more bang for their buck. Stormlight is a higher octane Investiture fuel. Kaladin can fly faster and is more maneuverable when Invested than the Fused for instance. The Fused will win a marathon but they cannot possibly beat a KR in a sprint. Third, variable weaponry. A KR can never be truly disarmed because they fight beside their weapons. Those weapons can be anything metal, can incapacitate or destroy an enemy with a swing, can warn its welder of an unseen danger, and are unbreakable by any means the Fused would have available. Right now the Radients are at a disadvantage because they lack numbers. They will always have something of a disadvantage because due to the Everstorm any enemy they slay comes back 9 days later. But as the Radients build their numbers back to pre-Recreance strength the disadvantages they face become less and less pronounced.

I think the Fused get a direct flow of Voidlight, either from Bo or Odium. But I believe it's like Savantism. Spook burns Tin so much that when he runs out he is sensation-less. Fused are so stuffed with Voidlight that if they are drained past a certain threshold they can no longer function. I postulate the larkin drank much faster than could be replaced. Basically the Fused are a cup under a tap. The larkin put a big hole in the bottom of the cup. Or Voidlight flows like blood and the larkin vamp'ed it all.

Sixth of the Dusk is the farthest forward of the Cosmere works, presumably taking place during Mistborn Era 4. So that's one case where the timeline weaves in and out. The overall Cosmere Timeline as I understand it is as follows: White Sand Elantris Mistborn Era 1 Warbreaker 1 Warbreaker 2 (whenever he ends up writing it) Stormlight Archive first pentology, Edgedancer Mistborn Era 2 Stormlight Archive second pentology Mistborn 3 Mistborn 4 Sixth of the Dusk Shadows of Silence in the Forests of Hell and Emporer's Soul are mixed up somewhere in there but I didn't notice any clue to provide a place within the timeline. Oh, Dragonsteel is the very 1st but we won't see that book for another 20 years or so.

Um, according to Arcanum Unbounded, the Scadrial system only has Scadrial in it; no other planetary bodies exist in that system, probably due to Preservation and Ruin jointly creating the world.

So do you discount Ialai as a potential threat to Jasnah's rule? What about the other Highprinces? They have shown that they aren't a particularly unified lot, at least without someone like the Blackthorn to keep them in line. And with Dalinar having his attention set on Odium and the continued refounding of the Knights Radient, one thing that's certain is that someone will try Jasnah. Gavinor is such an obvious lever to use against her. Having her own heir would somewhat mitigate that problem and decrease the kid's threat. That way she won't have to do something terribly pragmatic and act against her natural instincts as protector of family. Having a respected male consort would help her just as much; female rulers aren't exactly common in Alethi history. Maybe you are in the camp that doesn't want Jasnah to form a romantic attachment and that's fine. She could be written that way and Jasnah finds another way to mitigate what I see is an obvious problem. She's smart enough to realize that there are issues and how she chooses to solve them may not be typical. I guess we'll see.

As matters stand at the end of OB, neither Jasnah or Kaladin have the time or inclination to pursue a romantic relationship with anyone, that's absolutely true. But the next book has a year break in between. Who knows what type of breaks book 5 will have. Then we have the break between the front half SA and the back half. It needs not happen immediately. Then we must look at the pressures each of them will face. Jasnah is enough a student of history to know she needs to produce an heir to solidify her position. Otherwise baby Gavinor could become a real wedge for a kingdom that's only 2 generations old. Ialai is still out there and she has the motivation and the means to wreck Alethkar and watch the world burn. For Kaladin his pressures are two-fold. One is securing his newfound power both as the head of a prominent Radient Order and as a political force in order to help Dalinar in the fight versus Odium. The second is more human. With war, especially total war, typically comes a biological imperative to reproduce. Look to post WW2 for examples of rapid population growth both during and after war. As much as Kaladin acts as though he's above it all he is still human and thus subject to that biological imperative. Now that isn't to say they end up a couple, only that someone will get a love interest eventually.

I don't think either character necessarily needs a romantic relationship. However, both characters are described as quite attractive. At one point Shallan describes Jasnah as an Ideal Alethi female. She describes Kaladin as a work of art. Both are healthy, strong, and seem like good people. They have many admirers and it seems like a stretch that neither will come across someone that attracts their interest in turn. Neither seems the type to engage in casual relationships, Jasnah because the price is too high, Kaladin because he is an absolutist. Do they need a love interest? No. But it's unrealistic to say that neither one will fall into one at some point.

I I agree. I was replying to goody's belief that Telsin will not be important in the next book.

If that is indeed the case then Roshar is about to have problems everywhere in regards to shortages. A nation has to have their farmlands if it expects to feed its people. Wars will have to be fought the old fashioned way, with supply lines and whatnot.

I disagree. Telsin is still the Series. She still has an unimaginable amount of connections and a considerable amount of money. Her organization is still working for a rogue Shard and she's like the CEO of that organization. She's basically Trell/Badvadin's avatar on Scadrial. If we look at it in a Rosharan sense, Telsin is Autonomy's Champion and Wax is Harmony's Champion.