Odium's_Shard

It does seem indeed. I too am unsure whether or not it is possible to be in the act of possessing a connection, but while 'possession' is a state, ie, in the state of possession of a connection, I feel that 'possessing' is an action, and thusly must be acted out. Does that make sense? I myself am unsure. Along the lines of verb confusion, I completely agree with you that 'Investiture' as in the broad term, as given by my definition, imply a state of action, in that 'Investiture' is the state of 'Investing', in much the same way as I believe 'Possession' being the the state of 'Possessing', and when you 'preserve' something, you have carried out 'Preservation'. I agree with your post in entirety, save for the wording of the definition, which can always be altered, if you believe, as I do that the storage of 'Investiture' must separate the verb of Investing to an actual object, a noun, that it is possible to coalesce. In simplicity, I believe that the storage of Investiture is differentiated from the action of possession of a connection as defined by 'Investiture' as a whole, due to the fact that when stored, Investiture becomes a 'thing' as opposed to an 'action'.

See, the hard thing is, I like the sound of your power. It is a neat power to have, with appropriate risks and 'pitfalls' in it, just the same as mine saying that there must be Gnats. However, no matter how cool it is, I must argue that it is both slightly overpowered and also doesn't follow the logic of Feruchemy: you get out what you put in. Pure and simple. If you store five days of health, there will be five days worth in the ring. Not six, not four. In the same way, one would assume that no matter how much 'raw Spirituality' that you put into the nicrosilmind, you'd only get the raw power out. And on its own, it can't effectuate any magic on the Planes, except maybe the Spiritual. And because a Feruchemist is a Physical entity, it can't use this Spiritual-tailored energy in the same way s a Shard doesn't use Allomancy, because it is Allomancy. Do you see my problem with it? Also, in regards to my views on Investiture storage, I'm the first to admit there are problems with it, and the potential uselessness of it is one. But on its own, your power too wouldn't effectuate anything, because the only power you have to 'sharpen' with the Spiritual energy (presuming you can do anything of the kind with it at all) is your ability to store the Spiritual energy you are using to increase your powers anyway. It's impossible to tap and store at the same time, and even if it was, it would nullify out. EDIT: Ninja'd. I will wait for your second post and reply to them both one after the other.

I think that, in a sense, this might be the point of Investiture as a storage. Powerful for Mistborn, not so much for everyone else. After all, if Allomancy has some powers that are, singularly, useless, then surely Feruchemy must have some 'holes' too, lest it be overpowered if a Feruchemist (full) came along and could suddenly increase his power exponentially using increased power! You mention that Soulbearing is being 'studied', however it is also mentioned in the AA that the Terris peoples don't know what they're doing when they employ this power. Which one might assume could mean that they don't know if it is working or not, or if they are using it correctly. I still feel it is appropriate to have one 'Gnat' in a Metallic Art. After all, Allomancy has Duralumin and Aluminium, and Hemalurgy has decay and the law of constructs (easily corrupted by Emotional Allomancy). One thing does bug me about the twisted power of Allomancy being the storage for 'Investiture'. It seems that all other Feruchemical storages can be stored whenever the user wishes. One always have weight to be stored, and speed, and warmth, and wakefulness, but it is not constantly that the connection to Preservation is being employed, or that one is burning a metal. I may come up with revisions to my idea based around this point.

One would assume it would be water-proof, seeing how it doesn't have any chinks in the plating (however the water may be able to get into slits that a blade couldn't), so unless he had oxygen, he'd pretty quickly breath himself out.

It almost feels as though Brandon will pull the entire 'sympathy deserving villain' plot device, as if Odium has been shunned down and then when the characters stop him the audience almost feels bad because he was actually the worst off and his plot for world domination was just a desperate grab for attention from the entire Cosmere, due to his hideous looks and bad people skills meaning that he has never even seen such a thing a Love, nor Devotion, which was why Aona and Skai were first on his 'hit-list' of retribution.

I think that a 'wildcard', any Feruchemical store-type Nicolsilmind would be far too overpower for Brandon to consider it. Unless that's the point of having a double-Nicrosil Twinborn in the next trilogy.

I have made a theory about the storage of Investiture, so its of particular interest to me, but if you want to see what we've come up with, you should all head over!

No, the use of the connection resembles the exact same instance in which it was formed in the first place. Snapping would, using your terminology, be the Primary Investiture (though I have to disagree with the term, seeing as we just came to the agreement that Investiture is unto itself the two combined, in a different way than having them separately labelled together) while burning the metal would be the Secondary, though the two instances are both directly descended from an innate connection to the Power. So, a new definition of Investiture is inevitable: Investiture is the act of possessing a permanent, though revocable, connection to an aspect of the Power of Adonalsium Following this, 'acts of magic' would be the term I would use to describe powers that stem from your connection to this Power, instead of 'Secondary Investiture', though, in a way, your term makes sense to, in that 'acts of magic' are the use of Investiture, but do not come under it themselves. There may also be other uses. I hypothesise that the act of Feruchemically storing Investiture refers to storing the act of magic itself, as a byproduct of Investiture, as well as other byproducts, but not the act of the connection in itself. For example, you could store the twisted power of the Shard, meaning that, while Satsuoni believed it would store raw Spiritual power, which it would be naturally impossible for a Soulbearer to possess due to his limitations as a mortal, if he committed the act of Coinshotting, or the power received from Preservation through Steel, then he could store this warped power in his nicrosilmind. A mind would be needed for each Allomantic power. But in accordance with the laws of Feruchemy being end-neutral, it would be silly if it stored skill with Allomancy, and so if he tapped his stores, he wouldn't be any stronger at Steelpushing than if he simply burned Steel. That's the point. It doesn't store Allomantic power, as that would be able to compound with the simply use of Allomancy. Rather, it stores the byproduct of Investiture, the act of magic, or the power that induces it in a mortal, itself, for use at a later date. Meaning, say he had no steel, he could use his reserves of Steelpushing to have access to it that he had previously stored during active storage. During active storage, he would have to burn Steel, but then receive no effect from it. During active transfer, he would have access to Steel's power without the need for Allomancy. In essence, his use of Allomancy has simply been moved through time. Although, obviously, to use this power, one would have to have access to other Allomantic abilities, meaning that a Soulbearer Ferring is essentially a Gnat of their own, unless they were Twinborn or Keeper/Mistborn. The only perceivable way, using my logic (in which I feel makes sense, and is my official proposition, and may yet make its own thread as to the storage of Investiture as opposed to its use as a term), to increase your Allomantic abilities using the storing of Investiture would be, say, you were Keeper/Mistborn. You store the act of Steelpushing for a time, then consume the Nicrosil, and burn it, and you have Compounded Steelpushing, which means you might be as powerful as a Lerasium Mistborn, but only at Steelpushing, and only for the duration of the Nicrosil burning. If you were a Mistborn/Keeper it would be more efficient to use Duralumin, but this lengthier way appears to give a lasting Duralumin-esque effect. That's how I see it.

"Odium" is a state of being loathed, loathing other things, or darkly broody. In a word, unlike Ruin, it isn't the sort of Hate that would, if it didn't get its own way, that would set fire to your house and laugh, its the sort that would sit in the corner for five years muttering to itself before staging an accident in which your entire family is killed while riding a carriage next to a steep cliff and you are mysteriously assassinated in your sleep, and then, due to years of ruthless planning, come away clean. Its that bad.

To have a Ruin in the sense of a destruction, in noun form, is impossible, but I am assuming that you are using the noun 'ruin' as in a destroyed place, for example, the ruin of an ancient temple. But as I said, there isn't a plurable noun for 'Ruin', because it is a notion as opposed to a thing, and so there cannot be multiple aspects of it, in the same way as there cannot be multiple 'happiness(es)'.

Sorry for the double post, but the last post was so long already, and Telcontar ninja'd me with his sneaky post. However, me and Telcontar agree with the basics, except there are a few things I'd like to straighten out within your post. First, the definition. Yours and mine are almost the same (the one displayed in the OP), except for the minor fact that you feel that is the act of the power being transferred, rather than my opinion that it's about the existence of the connection that allows the transferal of power in the first place. For examply if you 'Invest' an object, you haven't just given that object the temporary burst of power it needs to do something. In storage, for example, you Invest it once during active storage, but the connection between you and the Spiritual pocket full of, say, health, through the, say, ring, is maintained until you remove the entire contents of that pocket. This mean that when something is 'Invested', it maintains a connection to the original power source until all power is revoked, meaning that Investiture is always permanent (until of course the object is wiped from existence or dies), and that it is the process of the connection rather than that of the power flowing down it. I'll explain why I feel that all Investiture is permanent. In Allomancy, some may argue that you only access the power from the metals for as long as you burn it, and so once the metal is consumed, or you cease to burn it any more, the Investiture stops, and so is temporary. However, I say to those people, that you're looking at it wrong. It's not that the metal is Investing you, for the metal holds no power, and so both me and Telcontar's definitions, the metal cannot be Investing you. Its that you have a connection to Preservation (presuming that he powers Allomancy) that the metal recognizes, and allows power to be funneled through the connection. In this way, even while you have no metals, no access points, the connection is maintain from the time at which you Snap, to the time that you die. If you haven't any metals, your connection to Preservation, as an Allomancer, isn't nullified, it is just unavailable. It's not that the connection doesn't exist any longer, just that power isn't being pulled down it. Secondly, Telcontar believes, like I do, that the verb 'to be Invested', or an 'act of Investiture' is different from the Feruchemical aspect that can be stored during Nicrosil. If you tried to convey that they were the same, it would be impossible to store 'the connection between a power source and the Invested object', just as it impossible to store a feeling between two specific things, rather than the feeling itself, ie, one can store sight, but not the act of seeing a certain object. Lastly, as to your last question, Telcontar, I don't believe it would make you full Feruchemist, because I'm not under the idea that storing Investiture is storing Feruchmeical or Allomantic strength, but is something to do with how one operates around power sources, or the Spiritual plane itself.

*Bold sections my response. Can someone also tell me how to use this 'Multi-Quote' thing, as I can't get a handle on it and it would be incredibly useful to be able to use whatever you do to separate the posts into idividual quotes, each maintaining 'user' and 'timestamp'. Thanks in advance.

Are you implying, by stating that a person storing calories is in fact storing the aspect of Preservation and Ruin in themselves that are shaped like calories, that a person must be of Scadrial, or at least of Harmony's get, in order to use Feruchemy, Allomancy, or Hemalurgy? In this way, you are saying that these calories: which were from food, an external and non-Splinter source, must in this way be converted by the body first into the power of Ruin/Preservation, and so all the things that can be Feruchemically stored are, when part of a Scadrian (?) are in fact simply present as Shardic aspects? If so, you imply that a person from Roshar (unless Shard's got together in order to create these humans too), who doesn't have these Spiritual signatures, cannot feel determination or doesn't have the health to store, simply because it is there as its external and original appearance, instead of masquerading under that of Shardic power? If so, this simply makes no sense, for it implies that all that is about a person is part of their Spiritual connection to Harmony, and thusly, they would have no Physical substance, nor would they be able to use these calories, or this health, as it wouldn't be within their get as a mortal, Physical being? It would make far more sense that an aspect of them, warmth, alertness, is simply 'converted' into raw Spiritual energy for storage, and this change is reversed upon drawing from the metalmind in order to convert this energy into its original source, and only the metal and Feruchemist that created the store combined can achieve this reversal. That is unless of course, as I proposed above, stored Investiture is in fact, like luck or identity a 'state' in which one can touch and take the Spiritual aspects of others.

Thanks for the confirmation about metal size, and now it makes sense to me. For example, assume the store is a ring. It would most likely only create a similar, ring sized space in the Spiritual Realm, through which you can connect to and store these attributes as raw power. Here I am assuming that with a store, what happens is that when the (say, health) passes through the ring from the Bloodmaker, the Spiritual composition of the ring as a gateway in some way converts it into raw Spiritual power, in that it may be stored on a Spiritual level. In a way this is similar to the way in which the Enigma machines processes code. You need the right key (exactly the right key) in order to reverse the process and convert the health back from the raw power. This is where it becomes tailored to the Bloodmaker specifically. His sDNA adds the finally coding, so even if you used gold with the same composition, or better, the ring used to store the information, you would not qualify for the health as you wouldn't meet the final test (that of identity of individual). As with your definition of 'to Invest' as a verb, and also 'Investiture' as a term to denote that you place a part of yourself, soul, calories, health, into the object (which in turn places it in this 'locker' Spiritually). However, I stuggle to see how this term works for Allomancy (with Hemalurgy, it is practically just external Feruchemy), or 'other forms of Investiture' in the Cosmere. For Allomancy, the power doesn't come from you, and thus you cannot be the one who 'Invests'. In this way I am tempted to think that the one who Invests is the Shardholder who gives you power, whereas in Feruchemy, only you give yourself the power. But if it were the Shardholder, and you, in the different cases, it would be difficult to summarise it in a inexhaustive definition.

I don't think that by storing Investiture itself, you store the connection to a Shard, and so renewing it would make your Allomancy or Feruchemy stronger for a time, in the same way that for Kaladin, saying an Ideal increases his power by Honor. Otherwise, a Soulbearer Ferring on their own would be as useless as an Aluminium Gnat, and by the naming of them, it assumes that this isn't the case, thought by 'Soul'bearer, it is most likely to do with the Spiritual Realm, as the writer of the Ars Arcanum states (they say that Feruchemy has a mixture of Physical, Cognitive and Spiritual stores, though the latter are not well understood [which, on a side note, seems to imply that they in fact know of how they are used while the Terris peoples don't]). As for Shardpool, I simply meant the place from which as Shard's power comes from, not something such as the WoA, rather just a pocket in the Spiritual Realm that the Shard can tap or is perhaps made of, and can give mortals chances to reach in certain ways (giving the different powers). If as you say, 'Investiture' was simply a knot of Spiritual energy within a thing, then it wouldn't so manifest as to give these numbers of powers, and rather would be the pure force of a Shard, which a person (a Soulbearer, say) on their own cannot access in its pure form (though if Twinborn, a lesser strain in the form of Allomancy), and thus would have no hope of storing. But given as Nicrosil is in the same Quadrant as Aluminium, which stores 'identity', and Duralumin stores 'connection', then one could assume that these, and maybe luck (?) could be classified as the 'Spiritual' stores. This means that, while Aluminium seems to me to have the same purpose as Determination in Electrum, Investiture must have some purpose similar to, maybe the opposite of 'luck' (if there is one), because to me, Connection to others is Duralumin, and Connection to oneself is Aluminium, which are opposing. So maybe luck affects how the world revolves around you, whereas 'Investiture' (as a store not as a term indicative of powers granted by Shards) could control how you affect the world, which seems strangely and poetically in tune with the powers granted by Shards, in that they 'affect' things. My personal opinion on what Investiture is as a store is not your connection to the Shard, but rather 'access' to the Spiritual equivalents of the powers. So as you said, maybe humans (as pieces of Harmony) can slightly touch the world Spiritually around them, with 'luck' perhaps being when an area of energy passes through them on the Physical plane, but they brush it to Spiritually, and this ability to grasp the Spiritual things around you is 'luck', whereas the ability to touch the the Spiritual things in others, and objects, is 'Investiture' as a store. In such a way, as you suggested, perhaps if one amassed a lot of it, you could swap stores, or access those of others, such as turning a Bloodmaker's health into useless warmth, or simply just taking it. Or perhaps it allows you not only to tap Spiritual stores in objects, but within humans too, such as not stealing it from the gold ring, but straight from the source and into a ring of your own, while the Bloodmaker hopelessly attempted to plug the gap you are leaving in his health (though I highly doubt this). In this definition of a store of Investiture, it forms a neat Feruchemical 'internal/external' couplet with it's base metal, Chromium, and Duralumin and Aluminium already, in my opinion, form a pair. Though this doesn't seem to work in other quandrants, except, perhaps 'Weight' being an external speeding of other objects, while Steel 'Speed' is an internal acceleration.

How do you know he was 'kicked out'? Perhaps Shards can simply release their hold, and give it to someone else. This seems to lie within Kelsier's logic, as he felt that he was the catalyst in the downfall of TLR, but not the direct cause. Also, seemingly, he resides in the Spiritual Realm side by side with Harmony, as the 'Survivor' whereas had he continued to hold the Shard, he would have had to counter Ruin and have died, though now he lives on, waiting for his chance to help the world again.

Even subconsciously I can just feel Harmony whispering to me through my mind. I knew that eye spike was a bad idea. But my Tineye brother was so annoying, as I do hate wearing glasses...

Now, I have just returned from a long trip through Asia, which lasted about three weeks, and out there in the mountains, where I add the weather was surprisingly, though I admit this with a hint of bitterness, warmer than current British weather, even at 200 foot altitude and the middle of a crisp spring, I have had some (a lot) of time to think about things. And, as some of you may know, I have purposely been abstaining from reading AoL, and this is the reason why. No other books have involved me as much as those written by BS, and none at all like WoK. See the original plan was to read AoL, and save WoK (which is far bigger) as reading material for this trip. But I got too tempted. And it turns out it was a good thing, as in WoK I saw the connection between the 'worlds' and the Cosmere, and that led me here! But obviously, in life, some things just don't go to plan, and I ended up reading AoL within two days of setting off to Asia. That gave me the rest of the trip, and the journey home, to ponder the event of AoL. And this is the first book I have seen from BS where Investiture is specifically stated (to my knowledge), and if I remember correctly only in the Ars Arcanum, and its use led me to believe that it meant a particular thing, but coming here, I see that alot of people differ in their opinions of the meaning of 'Investiture', and as the person who writes the Ars Arcanum uses the term in a broad manner, there will always be doubt as to what it refers to until it is explicitly confirmed by WoB, and even then some will argue that it doesn't quite fit with them. But here, I hope at least to make people re-assess their use of 'Investiture', and hopefully put in their opinions and help make revisions to the term so it can be used with complete correctness. Now, many people seem to be confused by the fact that Feruchemically, Nicrosil can store 'Investiture', and in part it is hard to explain, and so for now this will be put away and maybe covered at the end of this post. There is always the chance that the person who writes the Ars Arcanum themselves doesn't know exactly what is meant by 'storing Investiture', or isn't accurate with the list. So, Investiture, I propose, as a starting definition, could be pinned down as: 'The state of connection to a Shard/pool through which an act of magic/power can be committed.' Some people seem to (in my eyes wrongly) attach Investiture to the act of magic power itself, in such a logic that every time you 'burned' a metal, or each time you went to active storage of a particular characteristic, you would be Invested. Whereas, by my logic, it feels that, by grant of the name itself, Investiture is a permanent link, or at least a temporary state, of connection between you and a Shard/pool. For example, to get Invested, is a synonym to being introduced or involved into something. In reality, people don't reintroduce themselves to something every time they see it, but only the first time, or after a lapse in their connection. The Ars Arcanum, I believe, also states that the metal is simply a 'gateway' by which the power is accessed, that is consumed in the act of passing on the power and selecting the particular effect that is produced in accordance to the metal's Spiritweb, and also of the permissions in the Allomancer's Spiritweb to use this particular metal, in line with my 'prismatic theory'. This means that Investiture, like I have said, is not to the metal, but rather to the pool of power in the Spiritual Realm from which the ability stems and is warped from. Similarly in Feruchemy, the metal doesn't store your attributes itself, which is why the metalmind is not corrupted or destroyed when the metal is broken, nor (correct me if I am wrong, this has no basis) does the size of the mind matter to how much can be stored within, but instead the metal is a gateway to a specific 'locker' the the Spiritual Realm, to which you have the only key, down to your particular Spiritually genetic coding, while the metal just holds the locker in existence. In this way, things such as Inquisitor's spike can be melted down by reused in other forms when cast, as the metal as a Physical thing is just the access point by which a Physical mortal can access, with sDNA coding, this spiritual locker. So, please discuss what you believe should be the official meaning, or at least as close as we can describe, of Investiture! All feedback very welcome!

Actually Honors works in the same way as Ruin, as a verb. But because all the others are in a non-verb state, as in a thing, noun, such as Cultivation being a thing, and to cultivate being a verb. But technically 'Ruins' isn't a plural. /nerdrant

My favorite imaginary (yet, you just wait til Brandon hears of this, he'll HAVE to make it canon) Shard would have to be the Sheep Shard. Not only is it impossible to change forms in order to create a plural (which is a MUST, in my opinion, for any decent Shard, like Preservation [try saying Preservations]), it's power makes it necessary that you follow current trends. Shardholder: Womankind. Opposite Shard: Beer.

Here is a question that has been picking at me ever since I read AoL. Now, I'm sure there might be a simple answer that I, in my stupified state of reading well into the night twice in a row, have missed, but I'll be glad of it. Also, there are some pretty heavy Cosmere questions too, for you all to try to answer! Firstly, the identities of the mythological figures. Leading on from Mistborn Series, I took Kelsier as the Survivor, Spook as Lord Mistborn by instinct, but then I felt that was wrong, as Spook was referred to as a 'Survivor' in HoA. Was I correct in also assuming that Marsh was Ironeyes, whom for some reason I originally pictured as Spook, but then saw the Brandon quote saying Marsh was kept by Harmony (who is Sazed?). Vin is the Ascendant Warrior, and Elend the Last Emperor? Also is House Cet the remnants of Cett, Elend's ally in the Final Battle in HoA? Secondly, to do with Compounding and Feruchemy. If a Cadmium Ferring, as Gasper, highly oxygenates their blood as is described in the Ars Arcanum, what happens? Do they become more alert, or do they gain more stamina? Lastly, to do with Hemalurgy. Can it, if used with an alloy of a God Metal, acquire Twinborn Powers, and also 'steal' Feruchemical stores? Also, on a side note, do we know of any definitive Hemalurgic properties of the Greater Metals? Or the purpose of storing 'Investiture'? Bigger questions there. Thanks,

Once, I had a dream. There was a box. It was floating in the middle of an empty universe, and all I could do was watch. I had the sense that I couldn't move because it wasn't necessary, not that I couldn't. Suddenly, mist started warping in from the sides and shrouded the box slightly. And then, when the mist moved away, I woke up. But when I started to go back to sleep, I just had the notion, in the self-assured way of knowledge procured from dreams, as if it were in existence in my mind's eye and was just waiting to be seen to be discovered, that the box had turned into a sphere when the mist moved away. And from that sphere, I started hearing voices. They slipped me back to sleep. And this was once of the weirdest, out of body experiences I've had. Imagine Kaladin being pulled by the Highstorm over Roshar, but in the blink of an eye, and with the ability to see all, remember all, hear thoughts, and the recall everything the second I woke up. My eyes opened, and I just received millions upon millions of different images, thoughts, snippets of wisdom, and facts all at once. I had a complete second where I felt like I knew everything, and then it was gone. And surprisingly, all I could see after that for about a minute was a symbol, and it looked exactly like this: Atium. Weird right?

*beep**beep* Guard: Well, what have we got here? Shady Figure: Sorry, that was my.. watch. Guard: Oh, sure, please can you place your.. watch.. on the desk? Shady Figure: Ok... *place watch on table*. Guard: And the rest. Shady Figure: *sigh* *takes out other metal things* Guard: Ok, and walk through again please. Shady Figure walks through. Guard: Oh, your clean. *hands stuff back, including three foot copper spike* Guard: Here's your watch, mobile, and your...? Shady Figure: Crutch. *runs off*

This is true. Maybe, because the nature of the Pulling power is Allomantic, and thus Preservational, thus linked with the mists, it Pulls on the light (weak as it might be) around the mist, towards the Allomancer, allowing them to see behind and through the mists?

Telcontar! And you said you wouldn't be back for a while? Now allow me to constructive deconstruct your post! I believe that what actually makes a spren 'abnormal' is that it doesn't follow the typical rules of a spren. These rules do not impact 'shape' or the like, as this is merely a human 'Physical' perception, and gives no clue as to what the spren resembles on the Spiritual or Cognitive Planes, and thus is in some way a mask. For this, you could conclude that in order to maintain the 'mask' a spren needs to have the energy to do so. Now, you may have seen my theories around the many boards and pieced them together to presume that I feel that spren appear when something changes. This change gives them some energy. But also, I don't think that spren sit around and wait for their 'assigned' change to occur, so that they can be Spiritually siphoned into the Physical Realm. In this way, I feel that 'spren' applies to a large force of Honor that resides in the Spiritual Realm. It is a great centre of energy, but as yet contains no specific 'cases', such as flamespren, deathspren, etc. Instead we will just call it the 'Spren Origin'. Now, when the change occur, there is a Physical change, which pulls on the Cognitive Realm, as we have discussed in all Realmatic Theory sessions, which in turn pulls on the Spiritual Realm. Think of it like diffusion. Now, as I have discussed, the 'light', or energy, in whichever form it takes, is 'bent' upon leaving or entering a vessel. Now, the Spren Origin may be considered a vessel for this energy, and so would the new place in the Plane of existence, ie, near a kindled fire. As the energy is drawn from the Spren Origin to fill this place, the movement 'bends' it into a new and according shape. If this didn't occur, all spren would be the same. Instead, the produced result is altered energy, in the form of a flamespren. Because the energy the pulled it into existence (that of the fire) isn't great, then it in turn has only limited energy to pull up a mask, and thus appears simply as concentrated energy, or other simple shapes. Whereas, say, a spren that is pulled by a change, an Honorable change, within a person is given greater energy and thus can form a more complex shape, and can place more of its energy into a Cognitive presence. As the change within the person grows larger, so does the pull between them, and thus the Bond, and also the energy that is granted to the spren by the Spren Origin, as a greater power is pulling more of it into the Physical, Cognitive and also partially Spiritual Planes, in order to tie it to this person. Thus it can form even greater shapes and even greater sentience. I feel this theory make a load of sense, but if you see any loophole, please don't hesitate to tell me. I'll wait a while for responses before reconsidering it and then maybe posting it as a full Spren theory.