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  1. Hmmm, doesn't Brandon know that foreshadowing is of Odium...
  2. This is really interesting. Given that he can now engage in the Nahel bond, presumably he was transmogrified into an expression of a Splinter of Honor. But he does talk about his siblings and I've always been thinking "three, one for each Shard"... if they predate the Shards then is that even valid? Or it could be that it was powered by a Connection to Honor and His Splintering has changed the kind of Connection that is required? Like a fabrial which has trapped no spren.
  3. I agree with other dissenters: the Sixth Heightening might given them implicit ability to Invest in Endowment, but it is likely because that are already so Invested via BioChromatic Breath in that Shard that they have instinctive ability to Cognitively translate their Investement from Spiritual "Potential" to Physical "Effect". Progression through the Ideals has similar logic, implicit ability to transfer Investments in Honor, giving effects like Shardblade and Shardplate, from the Spiritual Realm to its Physical manifestation. However, conflating both is conflating different forms and levels of Investiture from different Shards with different Intents.
  4. Similar to @Rossamund I think that a world where God/the Cosmere cannot effect change doesn't speak for a group of humanoids. That they existed likely indicates that Adonalsium had sacrificed some Investiture in making them, or they drew it from him. That they succeeded can be seen as a "fluctuation", and likely that there was a counter-group to those that sought the Shattering but through this "fluctuation" He was Shattered. This does not mean that Adonalsium or the Cosmere at large was not balanced against change.
  5. That's fair, I think it's sufficient at least then to say that all protagonists that aren't Hoid have humanity in mind, and hence it's important to determine whether Restoration of Adonalsium would appeal to them. Though, given humanity at large isn't aware of Adonalsium, this is probably moot for the plot as it stands.
  6. Does the allegory speak anything to whether Hoid would have the best for humanity in mind?
  7. Investiture is free if it comes from the Power of Creation through the initial Investment of a Shard. The Stormfather is the largest remaining Splinter of the Shard that was Honor, alongside all the contingent of sentient spren. Hence the Power of Creation that flows through them and hence over Roshar is indeed the body of Honor. Given that, Investiture can only be granted to those that have the pieces of the their soul arranged correct, or to artificial construct that are arranged such that they can (temporarily) hold Stormlight and use it by the perfection of gems. I've said in other threads that like Hemalurgy, the ability of Investiture on Roshar/generally to accept the design of fabrials is another of those "killer features" that have Cosmere wide significance. If an artificial construct can register for Investiture or at least catch it temporarily you've essentially got something as powerful as a computer chip for creating programmable magic!
  8. We have not heard why Adonalsium was Shattered, nor have we confirmed that Hoid or indeed anyone wants to reform it. In my opinion, the likely reason for the Shattering was for Change. We know that there are elements of Adonalsium that oppose and encourage change sufficiently that they balance out (Ruin Preservation, Dominion Cultivation). It's entirely possible that in a world where Adonalsium is whole there is no "Change". If Hoid or the original Shardbearers Shattered Adonalsium for this reason, there's no reason for them to put It back together. More likely, Hoid seeks to retain the separate nature of the Shards whilst holding back the ugly nature of the ugly parts of Adonalsium's nature: perhaps he wishes Cultivation, Preservation, Devotion and Honor to succeed where Dominion, Odium and Ruin are held back or balanced, so that the Cosmere as a whole becomes the ideal home of humanity (presumably he is "human" though it is never confirmed whether before the Shattering there even was such a thing, though given Preservation (and Ruin) based their humans off the original Yoleni this is a fair bet). Whilst I adore Wheel of Time, it adheres to the ultimate in tropes (which it in part created), and the cyclic nature does not fit the arc of Brandon Sanderon's current Cosmere (rightly so).
  9. I mean, I think whilst that is a fair point, it's a case of Chekhov's Gun. The whole point of this forum is we're under the assumption that if BS puts it out there, especially when he doesn't have to, it's meant to tease us. He knows we'll read into it. Whether it can be explained away or not after the fact is up for debate, but this quote is here to provoke: In my mind, this doesn't speak directly to the ability of a Truthwatcher. The likely reason it's forbidden in Vorinism is because it is not of Honor and is not of the abilities of a Radiant. It almost certainly goes against the Ideals of Honor, in that knowing the future and profiteering from it is not honorable. Instead, it likely indicates (and there's no real reason why this cannot be true) the influence of Odium or another Shard on previous era Radiants. They know that foreseeing the future is a dark Surge, or not of Honor, hence why they must whisper amongst their fellow Radiants when recording their gem. Instead, we should focus on whether there are other Surges/Orders that have exhibited "corrupted" variants of their powers, or are prone to the influence of non-Honorable intents.
  10. Story-wise I agree, I suppose there's no Cosmere or continuity reason why they can't bond on their own. I wonder what the real power of the Bondsmith is though, that warranted that name... it seems unlikely that it was creating a Perpendicularity, that seems unique to the Dalinar situation and Honor being gone. But the descriptions of the Bondsmith from Way of Kings is limited, and their job not fully explained.
  11. Perhaps Brandon is hinting with that quote that something could happen that might allow Adolin to revive the Blade, but he also points out it might have to be the same person and even that is difficult enough, although perhaps he was pressured into that "--Yeah" to avoid giving too much away. Though, in my opinion it might be the purview of Bondsmiths such as Dalinar to facilitate direct connections to Honor: he has Investment almost certainly at the Splinter level at this point, he might be able to "Reforge" Connections to old Blades with sufficient closeness, Adolin included.
  12. Personally I think that the reason behind Adonalsium being able to take an action is that the Intents do not have to exactly cancel. In the case of Preservation and Ruin, these Intents are clearly opposed, but other Intents may be more nuanced in their cancellation or their interference. Is creating Roshar an act of any one Intent, or merely an expression of will. Perhaps Roshar was created by Adonalsium as it was the will of the people of Yolen, and he could find justification there. Perhaps Adonalsium was able to take action on in the case that the creation/destruction of something was neutral: he did not Preserve Roshar, nor did he Ruin it, per se, he had no Odium nor Devotion. To me it seems more likely that the Intents did not exactly overlap like Preservation versus Ruin: he could Cultivate something without any other Intent going against it, for example. But to me the most likely reason for Adonalsium's Shattering was that it was unable to act to the desire of the people of Yolen, so 16 conspired to destroy it and take the individual Intents for themselves and act out their desires. Adonalsium should be perfectly balanced, and the exact Splitting of the Intents (even into 16) might just be a particular coincidence of the way it was Shattered. But it might be likely that a Big Bang or a Creation was conceived at the moment Adonalsium was, and in that moment it created Roshar and the whole system, and it slowly became completely constrained by its unified Intent. Alternatively, if all Intents are present, there is no restriction at all, because the don't cancel, they just balance. He might have no preferences either way, but still be able to take action. Though, that would beg why He would need to be Shattered.
  13. The concept of planet-spren might be a bit ambitious (especially Cosmere-spren) since it seems to me most likely that the Stormfather, Nightwatcher and Sibling are just very large Splinters of Honor, Cultivation and Odium respectively, in the same way that many if not all spren are simply just smaller splinters (enough not to capitalise): they're definitely Invested Cognitive aspects, which is as good as any definition for a splinter of a Shard. However I doubt that the "spren" concept extend much beyond Roshar or its system, though it might to Braize. The concept of spren seems to be unique either to Roshtar or to Honor/Cultivation's original design (which Odium may imitate, or be similarly constrained by Roshar), as in other planetary systems like the Elantris system, Invested Cognitive aspects do not look exactly like what spren are (more like Seons). I think it unlikely that the gravity of the system is decided fundamentally by the Gravitation Surge or its Anti-Surge, since other planetary systems also experience gravity and have no magical way to change it. From my understanding of the Gravitation Surge, it actually affects the relationship the user has with the planet or point in question, more "Connection" becomes more gravity, or vice versa. So the planets need not be complicatedly tied together through planet-spren Surges. I think the main point of interest is what you point out in regards to the connection between certain numbers and certain symmetries in the Cosmere. At this point it seems we don't have enough pieces to say conclusively what the numbers mean. And interesting point I've seen made elsewhere is that the Nine Unmade plus Odium's Champion might make the Ten, but it might equally be that Odium made nine simply because it is an unholy number in the Rosharan system. To me, 16 and 10 are the two most important numbers, 16 being slightly moreso due to the Scadrial and Adonalsium splitting references, whereas so far only Roshar has a definite 10 as a symmetry (Nalthis has Ten Heightenings but there might be more people didn't reach...).
  14. Whilst we have no evidence that Selian teleportation and Stormlight's spanreeds do in fact transport information faster than the speed of light (since for the kind of distances used throughout the books the light transfer would be almost instant and there would be no way for them to record whether there was the required 'lag' in motion)... it would imply that if Investiture forms used from Scadrial's system can go FTL then there are ways to use the other magic systems to also go FTL if the systems are balanced (they may not be since it seems its easier to worldhop using Selian magic, seem to remember a WOB on that). But I'm guessing its harder to go FTL than a ruby spanreed or one of the most basic Aons? Unless the reason its so easy using Selian magic is because teleportation is built into the magic system for use by any Invested party. The way to go FTL using Scadrial magic involved complex concentric time bubbles to create the warp drive effect, so it seems to a bit anti climactic if just about anyone on other planets can move ships FTL using simple mechanisms, it seems like it should be a technology that is hard to develop. Beside, spoilers for Sixth of the Dusk:
  15. Is perception of what a Shardblade/real weapon should look like also what stops Szeth from tranforming his Honorblade, or are Honorblades (whilst not technically dead) not quite alive enough for that function? We have no evidence that any of the Heralds were able to transform them, and I seem to recall in the opening sequence all of them were left as blades when the Heralds abandoned their pact (unless the Honorblades revert to that form when relinquished). Because even when the dead Shardblades are used, many of them have details and features that relate to their previous owner before the blade was killed, and these are not lost from the blade being 'dead'.
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