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I think he did. That was why he upheld human law for thousands of years even though he knew the Singers were the original inhabitants. The humans had won by right of conquest. Only after Odium kills honor, the other Heralds are broken and the Fused return does he consider the land retaken "by right of conquest" and follow Singer law. Justice actually has nothing to do with it, at least until the 3rd or 4th ideals. It is a "Divine Attribute" of Nale and by extension his order but is only tangentially related to the Oaths. It seems to me like most people who can follow the oaths have those attributes, not that you need them to swear the oaths. So while Moash may have his own valid view of justice, does he have the right attitude to swear the 2nd ideal and uphold the law above all else? I would say he definitely does not, so he could never become a Skybreaker.

Ialai, despite her many fault, doesn't seem to be the type to micromanage. I imagine she tells Mraize what she wants done and aside from that he is pretty much free to do as he pleases. Since he seems to have gained her trust, I think he would be fine so long as he got results and was there when she needed him. Besides his work for the Ghostbloods seems to be primarily as a coordinator, we have never seen him "in the field" outside of working with Ialai and finding Ash so as long as his people come to him under the guise of House Sadeas business he will probably be fine.

I don't think Moash has it in him to obey the Law long enough to become the law. We don't know how the singers take over will effect the way the Skybreakers follow their oaths, but technically Elhokar didn't break any laws at the time so there is no way to exact justice. I'm not convinced he will ever become a Radiant. Possible Voidbinder with an Honorblade is my guess.

You were originally talking about a wire one molecule thick, much thinner than the edge of a blade. As to blades chipping or not, the only time I can think when we have seen a blade in a position to chip would be in Blade on Plate situations which are rare and inconclusive since plate cracking or shattering may disperse the force enough to avoid chipping the blade. Parrying a blade was probably done with the flat rather than edge on edge. That or they do chip but when next summoned have reformed. I struggle to believe Sprenmetal is truly indestructible because that's not how Brandon works. It would probably fine within a certain limit, but I doubt it could be that long. We have WoB that Syl is about 15ft long as a lance I think, 6-7 ft long as a spear and about 6ft long as a sword. We also have a WoB that the largest Syl can manifest is about human-sized, so while there is clearly some flexibility to that, it sounds like there are max dimensions, not just a cap due to volume or mass. Either way, I am not convinced Shardwire can cut at all, so we'll have to RAFO and see if Brandon writes it.

Blades seem to be, but its hardly fair to assume that will be the same as a wire. If you get an incredibly strong RL metal and draw it into a wire you could snap it. A steel bar? No. Steel wire? Yes. One molecule thick would be easier. It is possible it's investiture makes it indestructible but both Lerasium and Atium seem to follow normal rules for metals, it seems likely Blademetal does too. We know they can be caused to remain with focus and training for Deadblades. It seems to be easier with Liveblades. We do not know about distance though. The outermost mark is between the Warcamps and the Plains for Deadblades and between Shallan and Kal for Liveblades (200ft). We also know a Spren would struggle to leave Roshar and can't move too far from their Radiant without losing the Bond, so some kind of outer limit seems likely, even if dont know what it is.

The point being made was that she could be a dual Radiant by bonding a Bondsmith Spren and Timbre. I dont think anyome meant to imply the envoyform spren grants surges. While Rlain's position between the Singers and Humans gives him a good position to live the second Bondsmith ideal, he isn't. Being between two worlds isnt enough, "uniting" instead of dividing is active. Rlain has shown no real desire to step into that role, making his unique position moot.

Mass is limiting true, but that doesnt mean a Spren can form a material 1 atom thick. Likewise Blades are still a physical material, albeit an incredibly strong one, so it's possible the wire would snap and I hate to think what that'd do to your Spren. Even if it didn't, could a Spren physically manifest if part of it would be so far away from you? I think there is a lot of flexibility in what Spren can do/become, but Brandon likes limits so I doubt this is possible.

I see Rlain more as a Windrunner too, I think he has probably sworn the first ideal already, but he might not have. I know a lot of people like the Rlain = Bondsmith idea, but it seems unlikely to me. He hasn't shown any Bondsmith-like attributes and the main thing in his favor seems to be that he is in a position to help lead the Listeners that are good, but it doesnt seem like enough, Venli is in that role and is not a Bondsmith.

Precisely, the sword would be imvested then left inside the time bubble to develop sentience. Once the sword was invested there would be no need to continue compounding.

Full Feruchemist for me, followed by Mistborn. They are easily the most "accessible" for our world and extremely versatile, as well as being very difficult to detect. Elantrians are hugely powerful and can do so much, but stopping to draw funny symbols on the air every time would either get me found out or a rep as crazy.

Stick would beg to differ! I think inanimate objects do "think" of themselves as what they are, we see this implied when Shallan and Jasnah interact with Cognitive beads and Shai when speaking of Forgery in Emperors Soul. The distinction is that they only think of themselves that way because others have thought them into that. So perception does make a difference but after that, they themselves wish to be what they are. We have several WoBs referencing an objects self-perception, such as the one about something half in half out of a time bubble (on phone, will find later) If the above is correct, I was wondering how much of a cognitive imprint a few hours/days would have on an the mind of a sentient object that existed for millenia in isolation. I had not thought about it that way, but I think you're right about Hemalurgy and Feruchemy. The storeable attributes are spikeable and vice versa. Likewise if you can't spike it then you can't store it. Have an upvote!

I'm inclined to agree, I just thought it was an interesting idea. If the bubble does serve as a cognitive barrier it would be fun to see. After all, a few hours of being thought of as a weapon isn't much compared in millenia long life. A sickle or something would be ideal. Does it think it's a weapon or a farm tool?

Something people may have missed is that that at least some of the Shin train with Honorblades, and not just one, enough that Szeth is trained in all 10 surges.

I wonder if the way said sword was created would have an effect on it's personality though. After all, it has "grown up" in isolation for millions of years with no interaction of any kind. Depending on how the bubbles interact with the cognitive realm then it may not know it is a weapon.

@Confused I am with you on most of these points, though I think most of what you are saying is the most common opinion and what you are refuting is in the minority, but either way you are still right. I just want to point out though that some of your points seem to focus on your opinion of a word's definition rather than genuine misinformation. For example, you could easily argue Investiture is infinite, so long as infinite is defined as "can't run out", for example.

True, we know that you can project a speed bubble using the allomantic grenades from Mistborn Era 2. The bendalloy required to give the object thousands of years to develop sentience would be insane though, probably making it unfeasible.

I don't think they have to be in the exact center, but I'm not sure. I am almost certain they have to be inside it though, otherwise in AoL they could have put a bubble just around miles instead of needing to be in it too.

Yeah this is the WoB I remembered, I just hadn't remembered the line about how it views itself. I still think "how it views itself" is probably related to whether it's center of mass is in or out, or something similar. Even with cognitive perception playing a role there has to be some kind of rule of thumb for non-sentient objects. True, but Rick Riordan =/= Brandon Sanderson. I think for the I guess this would depend on whether or not it has to be wielded like a clay-cutter for it to cut at all. But I agree that if it could cut no matter how it was wielded then it would cut the inanimate like a normal Shardblade.

Sadly that wasn't just my opinion, we have evidence from the big man himself: When I say low-investiture world I mean there is less ambient investiture and manifestations of investiture and/or magic systems are relatively low power. Sure, Preservation and Ruin created Scadrial, but for anyone except the Shards themselves, that makes no difference to the power available there. Even the Shards would have to destroy the planet to access that power again.

Did you read the whole post? If so I clearly didn't express myself very well, I apologise. I agree 100%, what I was trying to say is that since the wire isn't "sharp" it wouldn't cut the physical in the same effortless way a Shardblade would. I then went on to say that id used as a garrote (or other way of breaking the skin) it would cut the physical in the same way as a regular garrote, but then will pierce the soul once it reaches it. Do you have the WoB saying this is why the bullet is either in or out? I remember him saying that it was, but I assumed that was just based on where the majority of the bullet was for meta reasons to avoid things ripping themselves in half. I don't remember him saying it was based on the cognitive perception of the object. I could imagine this, but would the potter then have to use the wire in the same way as a clay cutter for it to work? He couldn't just whirl the wire around his head and kill everyone, because he would know it doesn't work that way, If cognitive perception matters I imagine that it would either cut physically like a Blade or it wouldn't, I don't see why a distinction would be made between animate and inanimate. But I agree that any Shardobject would damage the spiritual if brought into contact with it.

I see your point but I am not sure how much the view of the wielder would matter. Wire doesn't "become sharp" when pulled against something with reasonable force. It will cut, but thats not the same thing. Based on the WoB about the Shardrock and what we know of Lifts Shardrod I dont think the 50ft wire wouldn't have the physical realm cutting ability of a Shardblade unless the wire itself had an edge. It would still cut if used as a garrote but, like any wire it would because of the force applied, despite its lack of an edge, not because of it. That would then "get into the spirit" like the WoB says and mess them up.

@Calderis what if it isn't the lack of intelligence that causes the lack of screaming but the shallowness of the bond? After all it seems unlikely that they are bonded to the same extent as the Radiantspren. Maybe they do scream, the Radiant just can't hear it?

As has been stated, the Shardplate forms around the Radiant. For your other questions, there is no screaming from Shardplate and it is not formed by the radiant's spren. The two most popular Plate theories are that is formed of lesser spren, their reduced mental capacity meaning there is no screaming, or that it is somehow made of solidified Stormlight, so no screaming because it isn't alive.

There is a limit to how large a Shardweapon can be, but we don't know that it is. It is certainly possible that it is by mass, in which case the 50ft wire would be fine, but if distance from the radiant is an issue, it may need to be smaller. As to whether or not, it is tough to say. We know the flat of a Shardblade won't cut, whereas the edge obviously does. Will the wire count as sharp enough? Assuming it does then it would retain the soul cutting abilities of your regular Shardblade. Sorry I can't give you anything more definitive, maybe those more knowledgeable of WoBs will be able to help some more. Something worth noting is that Spren metal still has material properties that may prevent this being feasible. Who knows if it can even form flexible wire? You then also have the issue that, depending on the materials physical properties, said wire could snap upon hitting anything it couldn't cut, such as Plate, and that could do weird things to the Spren.

If I am understanding you right I don't think that would work. Scadrial is different to Roshar and Nalthis in that the investiture is tapped directly, there is no Stormlight/Breath equivalent. Without that I am not sure you could do anything with the investiture from a Metalmind other than tap/burn it. Using nicrosil or A-duralumin to mess with your levels of investiture won't grant you a power to somehow solidify investiture being tapped from a metalmind when that power doesn't usually exist. Even the idea of that seems beyond the scope of the metallic arts in my opinion. I think your best bet for a Scadrian Shardblade would be to just pump a metalmind full of so much investiture that it eventually gained sentience, but since even the bands weren't that invested I don't know if its plausible with Scadrial being such a low-investiture planet. Now if we are talking about making a Scadriam metalmind using powers from various planets, maybe. But at that point its probably easier to just get a regular Shardblade.