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Depending on the type of buildings and the area we're talking about. Take Europe for example. Most old buildings will likely collapse as they aren't built to withstand those weathers - their roofs would fly and this would damage the entire structure, which might survive the first few Highstorms. Dense and high infrastructure would dampen the effects of Highstorm, but high buildings will be more damaged by strong winds and debris, more prone to collapse. Modern buildings built with steel and reinforced concrete would likely be fine, but still suffer a high amount of damage inside. Flying debris would cause much more problems than on Roshar, as everything will go up and it would cause the majority of damage. I think the first Highstorm could be very devastating, but many structures would be left standing (mostly without roofs). However people will have no time to rebuild before the next Highstorm comes and it will slowly grind a city to the ground. Older buildings would be destroyed first, and debris from it would damage modern, more studier structures. A port city would be damaged even more as hurricane causes water to rise and flood. It would be very bad, as not only wind is carrying debris, but now water as well in a powerful wave, flooding and weakening foundations of buildings.

We don't know what her Ideals and struggles were, she was a Radiant for at least 6/7 years, and she is Jasnah.

There is nothing responsible in nukes which leaves a radioactive wasteland behind. The Runit Dome is an example of "very responsible form of explosive". Assad proves you wrong. Putin proves you wrong. The Tokyo subway attack in 1995 proves you wrong. Good thing it's illegal to make it and buying ingredients and equipment do raise an eyebrow. The inside of plants that is flammable and outside that's also flammable but only rain stops it from catching fire? The heat wave of the initial explosion would vaporize any wetness from it and set it all aflame dozens of kilometers away from the epicenter. There is no time for any reaction. OB ch 17: Fire creates a high pressure area, storms are a low pressure area, plants won't retract like before a Highstorm. And they can still burn even when hidden. Repeat that after every Highstorm until most people are dead. It won't stop just after the first week, it will only get worse as people will get more and more desperate. Hunger kills, diseases injuries and lack of medical attention kills, homelessness in an area with hurricane every 10 days kills. I don't approve of that, I would ban fireworks and firecrackers if I could. The first example is simply irresponsible and just bad on every level, but still doesn't apply as those aren't nukes. There were 10000 firework related injuries in 2022 in the US. "Fireworks started an estimated 12,264 fires in 2021, including 2,082 structure fires, 316 vehicle fires, and 9,866 outside and other fires. These fires caused 29 civilian injuries and $59 million in direct property damage." Really responsible. Give them nukes, you have 10000 cities gone. "For fun" Not to mention the US is famously "good" at preventing a criminal use of firearms. Give those people nukes instead and there is no US anymore, just a hole on the map. They have that too, and more than you. They strike first, you're dead, and nobody will avenge you.

Very clearly the 4th Ideal is more difficult to say than the 3rd one. Kaladin knew the words for more than a year but wasn't ready to say them. It took the direct intervention of an unchained Bondsmith, who not only accepted his words, but reunited him with Tien, which then convinced him to let go of the past for Kaladin to be finally ready to say those words. Without this, he wouldn't say them. This isn't a luxury ancient Radiants had. Whole RoW is about Kaladin struggling to accept the 4th Ideal with which he struggled since the very first chapter of WoK.

Right, but that's because Rosharans call everything a Surge or Surgebinding. Allomancy is a Surgebinding for them. But it's still possible: And this WoB seems to be kind of related to this topic: If Bondsmith bound other Surges, and Syl meant spren, would this mean that Ishar did something to prevent other spren from granting different set of Surges?

Wax can use just Vindication to crack a plate in 1-3 shots. Skybreakers are proving it's statistically rare. Windrunners were most numerous because they had a lot of squires - which didn't bond with spren. There were 2000 Honorspren killed in Recreance, 100 Radiants at 4th Ideal is equal to 5%. That's not a lot, but not a little. We don't know how many Stonewards and their spren was back there, but we know they were also a frontline order with lots of members. I wouldn't be surprised if they could surpass Windrunners in numbers of plates. But I think it's reasonable to assume that 2 or 3 times more Windrunners were with plates (that's 10-15%).

I don't remember that and can't find it. Could you post it? Vasher has only been on Roshar and Scadrial beyond a few other places in CR. I find it unlikely that they were on Scadrial, and that's where Nightblood was created. And there is a timeline problem. As for now Warbreaker itself happened generations before WoK, and creation of Nightblood happened more than 300 years before Warbreaker. This fully excludes the possibility that Nightblood was created at the same time as Harmony. It's impossible as Catacendre happened around 340 years before WoK. Moreover Nighblood wasn't supposed to be like that. It went terribly wrong. If they wanted to involve Ruin consciously and went to Scadrial, that would mean they wanted to do something like Nightblood, so it wouldn't have been a mistake. And we also know Nightblood is leaking corrupted Breaths - so Breaths were put into it, they were corrupted with other investiture (Ruin's) and are leaking. So most investiture were of Endowment, but was corrupted by Ruin. Nightblood turned black in the moment of creation, so corruption happened at that time. Also also also, they didn't need to go to Scadrial - Ruin's investiture is everywhere. Harmony isn't in balance. He is imbalanced which is evident by the end of TLM. He didn't do anything with his extra Ruin investiture yet. TLM epilogue 4: Nice theory but it's likely untrue. Nightblood however contains Ruin's investiture, that's a fact for sure. I need to start reading all posts in the thread before responding, Treamayne already provided all WoBs and information.

Did I say that? Do you understand the implications of using nukes for fun? First it kills everything in the area of detonation, every animal, insect or a plant in a huge area, it destroys the land and agriculture, and scares the living hell out of everyone in an enormous radius. Secondly it sets up an example. People will look at you and say "if he can I can too" and will use their own nukes. Then there will be people angry at others that will say "if they can blow up stuff for fun, I can use it in my just and important cause" and will start blowing people up. And then there would be others that will see people using nukes with no repercussions and will start blowing up entire cities, because they are crazy. That's the reason why the US didn't use nukes in the Korean war, as it would set an example and say to every other nuclear state that they can use their weapons in every other conflict they want. Just because. They've always existed. And always will be. That's my point. For me a town and a city mean the same. But that's a translation problem. I used a different data. London 1500 had around 50k population that was 2% of English population, because Alethkar can maintain 100k active troops, while usually the medieval standard is around 1%, Alethkar would have 10 mil people, with 200k in Kholinar. But Alethkar is a militaristic society, it could maintain a bigger army, let's say 2%, so 5 mil population with 100k in Kholinar. You can disagree with "comparable time" but either way it's hundreds of thousands. The largest city in the western Europe in 1500 was Paris with 225k, second largest was Naples with half of it. Kholinar was packed with refugees to its limits, now there are Singes living them with humans as workers. I would say that population didn't change or even increased. Yes, Shallan's brothers were definitely having a time of their lives, when armies crossing through their lands devastated it and they had to be rescued by Ghostbloods. What a time to be alive. What do you think would happen if a capital with a king and all administration, which also often is a production center, was all gone and nuked? Civil war. Now nobility will clash to gain power over regions or fight to protect their regions from intrusions of other nobles. Foreign powers will use this situation to gain more power themself. Everyone will be affected by armies crossing their hometown. They will take your food, farm animals and other supplies, force recruitment, and tax you, and if some village would want to disagree, they will burn it to the ground to show force. There will be nobody that would protect them, as the king is dead, the army is separated into noble houses, fighting with other nobles for control, and there is nobody who will enforce order. The very thing that happened in Jah Keved. The very thing that happened in revolutionary France, Napoleonic wars, 30 years war, war of roses, times of troubles, punic wars etc. A tale as old as time. Living in a small community isn't a solution, you are only a target with no protection. Edit: @Frustration not to mention the economic disaster that will follow. Farmers and village workers rely on selling their goods to towns and cities. Without them they have no money, without that they can't buy food, tools, supplies or do anything at all. They are doomed. This isn't sustainable. No, testing was and is crazy too. It was done primarily to show power to other states. First off I disagree with your assumption, but you know that already since page 1. Secondly "during war" is a very important part. Considering only a military use, you have both sides armed to teeth with nukes ready to be used. Let's say they are aware of MAD and are cautious of using them. Eventually the war will either grind to a stalemate or one side will be pushed to the wall on one front, forced to use nukes to recover. And because most Fused are now insane or at least focused purely on ending the war at all costs, they are very likely to use nukes to gain advantage of any kind. Look at the history - WW1, first use of gas on mass scale was less than a year after the war started. It was during the second battle of Ypres, and it gave the Germans only 3 miles of land. Such a victory. After this both sides were using poison gas constantly. Even before that, in the very first month of the war, the French used tear gas (which now is a war crime). There were no boundaries, only questionable strategic decisions based on "numbers". There are no Geneva conventions on Roshar, no war crimes, no tribunals or anything like that. One side will use them, and that’s the end of Roshar sooner or later. But you took it even further - you gave everyone nukes. That's the immediate end of Roshar. Do you remember Moash chapter from OB, when he was in an occupied town and he met “local underground rulers” stocked to the brim with food and supplies, while other poorer people were starving outside the bunker? They wanted to recover their land, and were furious. Give them nukes, they will use them on Singers. If Mink had nukes he would likely use them to, on a battlefield, supply lines, not in cities. Give Parshendi nukes, they would have used them on Alethi in the war of Reckoning. And that is only considering a somewhat military use, related to the ongoing war. This excludes crazy people, terrorists and extremists of all kinds and people like you who "blow stuff up for fun". You will have a nuclear winter on Roshar, which is rich in atmospheric oxygen and fires will burn more rapidly and fiercely, destroying every forest, every field, every vegetation, every village, town, city. Highstorm won’t help as ashes will rise above them where the air is calm. They will block the sun and cause a nuclear winter. If not a nuclear winter, you will have a total collapse and destruction of society on a global scale. Everything will collapse at once. That would be worse than any Desolation ever. Massive global extinction and total collapse of everything, not only in human/Singer kingdoms, but in animal or plant kingdoms too.

Nightform is for predicting the future, Relayform is used by scouts, Smokeform is lightweaving, and there is even one that heals. And that's from forms that we know exist. There are more Regal forms unknown to us. See, this discussion is pointless now. I didn't say you will blow up a village, just that you will use the bomb for fun. Not in the village or any populated area, which I noted in the first post. You are willing to use it. There are people that will do it in a populated area as explained in my first post in this discussion. Yes, Kholinar definitely has "hundreds of people". Yes, Alethi war camps definitely have "hundreds of people" in them. Kharbranth or Azimir as well. There are thousands of people living in large towns, tens or hundreds of thousands in big cities. You need just one person in every major location like that and those are gone, millions of people are dead. Administrative hearts of nations are gone, whole nations are in chaos. Look what happened in Jah Keved after just the king and a few Highprinces died.

I can only think of Venli and Dalinar. Dalinar was fine being bonded with Oathbringer and later with another Shardblade, it only started to scream when he bonded with Stormfather, not weird feelings before. Venli in OB I-3 also didn't feel anything unusual when she picked up Eshonai's blade, no feeling of wrongness, no screams, nothing like that. When she picked up the blade she heard the old Rhythm of the Lost, but she heard it a moment before too, when she discovered Eshonai was dead. But this doesn't exclude the possibility that in that moment Kaladin reached more into SR and felt something through his future connection with Syl.

It was about Heralds: In this context "their souls" are Heralds' souls.

It didn't, WoR ch 82 Not every type of Regal fights, like Venli. I said more than that, but yeah, let's shorten it to this, which is still true no matter what you say. You said it yourself that you would blow up a nuke just for fun. You proved my point but you still are denying it. You realize that the blast radius of a nuke is enormous? And we're talking here about anti-matter bomb.

OB ch 47:

No idea. Ishar made a circle and combined neighboring Surges together? But seriously, True Spren were likely already limited in what Surges they can give, based on their mixture of Honor and Cultivation's investiture and their individual nature. A Honorspren wouldn't be able to use Progression as that's more aligned with Cultivation than Honor. The orders simply represented the nature of existing spren and were bound that way. Now if new sapient spren were to appear they might mess the system up. Or Ishar's bindings prevented humans from becoming Radiants by for example bonding with Ulim. Or, which I think is the most likely possibility, this has nothing to do with Radiants. Ishar formalized Radiants by limiting their power and capabilities, chaining them with Oaths and Ideals. Powers of proto-Radiants were still the same as now, but then they weren't limited by Oaths. You might be interested in this one:

You can touch with tools. Far away from perpendicularity - yes. I don't know if Odium can not allow it. I was quite sure it did, but not to humans. Yes and Yes... I gave you. You don't have to tell everybody, just a group of trusted people. They won't be throwing nukes at each other constantly, at best using anti-light to kill spren and fused and sometimes bomb a strategic position. It didn't happen. She was afraid it would happen because she didn't have a time to test it. Shardblades are machine guns, anti-light is nuke. Not comparable. This discussion turned back to what it was in the Mistborn sub-forum. I don't see any sense in continuing this back and forth.

Those were Bindspren. That was Full Lashing, sticking two objects together, surge of Adhesion, not Gravitation. They aren't purple but dark blue. https://coppermind.net/wiki/Spren#Bindspren

In Listeners songs "gods" are called "splinters of a soul" which excludes Odium - he wasn't mentioned even once directly or indirectly (except one time, in songs of Secret, not by name "Of one who seeks to take control"). Splinters are spren and Fused. But Songs mention Unmades as Unmades, and I think in the RoW flashback there was even said that their songs named them or something. So the only thing that's left are Voidspren and Fused as gods - both trapped on Braize. Of course both Unmades and Odium were also the gods they swear never to follow. The Last Legion had to abandon Odium before the Last Desolation. They had to have contact with Fused and Voidspren. RoW ch 73: They weren't Singers anymore, they were Listeners. We know he isn't but not in this case, at least intentionally. Mistborn/Cosmere: Cosmere: Now they aren't. They're connected to Roshar and Odium, but they aren't invested enough to cause problems. They can leave - but their spren in their gemheart are invested enough to stop them. This is a problem. They are tied to Roshar like no Singer or human is. That's true. He needs a strong way to manipulate his connection.

Oh. "Floor is the warm sand" isn't that fun anymore

Only on Roshar. WoB isn't about their immortality but their souls' investment. I wouldn't call it a big difference. This doesn't mean they are that much more invested. Impossible. Ivory or Jasnah said that you can search Heralds through CR, if every Radiant was glowing more than them, this wouldn't make sense. I see no possibility for any Radiant to be as invested as Heralds.

No problem. I wrote it not precisely enough and didn't avoid this tone you saw, which wasn't my intention. Was it said somewhere? The 2nd epilogue didn't say that. It said they needed new planets from ruins and shade for "normal plants" - for me that's clearly indicating that the planet is back to how it was before the Shroud. There is no reason for the planet to get suddenly cooler in just 1700 years. But still the planet will need some time to get hotter, a few days or week or so.

Metric is officially used in many governmental facilities, especially related to NASA. And the US government didn't enforce the use of metric, if they wanted to convert, they could make laws and teach only metric, force every company to label their products with metric etc. People would adapt, not have a "black market of imperial units”. No greater than Raboniel's soul suffered. They can use Voidlight and Anti-Voidlight. Boats. They need investiture, they can start requesting unkeyed Dor. Much harder to get. Every Regal can get their own Voidlight by praying and needs it. Everstorm gives them Voidlight. How? Singers can do it without Raysium, sing the tone of Odium and guide the Voidlight into a gem with Anti-Voidlight. They can have a special group of loyal Regals making it for them and distributing it. Yes, because historically speaking entire towns weren't slaughtered because they didn't open their gates, or rebellions happened, or crusades, or mongols, or huns or… I can go on and on. Restrict knowledge and accessibility to devices used to make it (vacuum tube and Raysium dagger, tuning forks etc). This won't work. You're dead because you live with crazy people with nukes. See? A nuclear winter. Kaladin won't be able to make a nuke if he doesn't know it's possible or how to do it. Right, we have it in a modern, industrialized world with a highly educated population. For an average Rosharan this would be like magic. Yes, Navani and her few scholars know about it now. Only. Where? Share with scholars not random people. No. The scale is simply incomparable.

Fully agree. You can have your own opinion and dislike it. I don't try to convert you, just spark a discussion and give my opinion. Unfortunately I'm a bit late to the party.

Hmm, you're right, this might work just like Yumi and Nikaro. However I doubt Kel would just spike a random, sapient and consious person hijacking his body - that's torture. I think in WoBs Brandon suggests that's a Mistwraith using his bones. Mistwraiths should survive, they hide in caves or cracks in the ground during daytime, they should be fine.

I think Brandon is talking to investiture of Adonalsium who created Roshar. Some Shards would be more or less invested, depending on what aspects of himself Adonalsium favored when creating Roshar (Cultivation was one of those). All 16 Shards are represented, but their mixture and proportions define the "natural investiture of Roshar" - that's my interpretation.

Kel is stampled to a mistwraith: