Andy92

I also thought it seemed strange to believe TLR would make his bands an unkeyed metalmind. A 1,000 year dictator making his power usable by literally anyone who could get their hands on it seems like a bit of a dumb idea...lol

This topic makes me think a bit about what Hoid had to say about Tanavast. I think it's a common theme that the Vessels of the Shards are far from perfect. Makes me wonder who Hoid would consider the "God of the Cosmere" to be, or maybe he doesn't view the Cosmere that way at all. I am curious to see how long Sazed stays around as Harmony. It will be interesting to see if this continuous into the next era of Mistborn or if something drastic will happen in The Lost Metal.

I also agree Adolin is a pretty relatable character for someone that lives in a fantasy world. I think the way his character ends in WoR with Sadeas adds a new dimension to him. It'll also be interesting to see how he develops as one of the major characters that doesn't become a KR (for now at least) while a lot of people around him including his father and fiancée are.

Yeah that is interesting, thanks! So apparently it is possible for a Vessel to survive when its Shard is Splintered. I've been reading through some older threads on here and the wiki pages about how Shards/Splintering work. It's starting to come together for me lol.

I think a lot of the technology progressions in Mistborn will end up mirroring what has happened on earth (and beyond if planet traveling becomes a thing). Harmony makes a comment in one of the books about how he fears the people of Scadrial are becoming complacent because their technological advancements aren't as far along as they should be. Since you haven't read all of the newest books, I won't spoil too much. You have some cool ideas, but I think what we'll probably end up seeing is that Scadrial will undergo the natural evolution of a technological society as the years go by...an evolution enhanced by Allomancy of course.

When Elhokar ends up at Lopen's mom's house at the end of WoR...that's pretty funny lol

Yeah that makes sense. I've been wondering how the power of Splintered Shards could still be used by characters in the book, so I understand that better now. I guess it's possible we could see a character take up the power of a Splintered Shard one of these days...could be interesting.

A lot of my favorites have been mentioned, so another one of my favorites is the first time Kaladin as bridge captain decides to switch from the back to the front of the bridge on bridge runs. It's the perfect showcase of true leadership.

Thanks, @Yata! That clears up my understanding of it. Appreciate you taking the time to type all of that out.

Thanks for the answers. That helps clear a few things up. I've mainly been confused as to whether or not Splintered = permanently destroyed, but it seems to be that Splintering mainly causes the power to be stuck somewhere without a Vessel to contain it.

I have a question about how Splintering effects a Shard. So far I've read all of the major Mistborn books plus Secret History, both of the Stormlight books, and Elantris. I know Devotion and Dominion were Splintered on Sel, and Honor was Splintered on Roshar. I have some questions about what exactly this does to the Shard itself. On Sel, Devotion and Dominion became Invested in the planet and this is what is now known as the Dor (to my understanding). On Roshar, Honor was Splintered, but he's still able to talk to people like Dalinar through visions of some sort. I know Shards have Vessles like Rayse for Odium, Ati for Ruin, Sazed for Harmony, etc, so part of my question is what happens to these Vessles when a Shard is Splintered? Does the holder of the Shard die? The Stormfather can still speak in Stormlight Archives, so does this mean the Splintering of the Shard just weakenes (or disperses) its power, and the holder is still alive? Or maybe it can be different depending on each situation? I'm rambling a bit now so I'll try to summarize this into my three main questions. 1) Does Splintering a Shard completely destroy it, or does it just fragment the Shard's power (similar to what happened to Adonolsium)? 2) Does the Splintering of a Shard kill the Shard's holder? 3) Is it possible for a Splintered Shard to be reformed (or is that currently unknown)?

This part of the prologue: "The parshmen were like you once. We stopped their ability [to enter the?] transformation somehow by capturing a spren..." Reminds me a bit of...

Do we know where Navani was during the night of the assassination? (I can't remember if her presence was mentioned in the books or not.) I think her perspective in book 4 could be interesting if she was there.

Gavilar seems like a WWII general who's tasked with the decision to risk thousands and thousands of lives for a chance to end the war once and for all. It's a touchy call to make, but I think he just seems like the guy who doesn't want to sit on the sidelines and watch the world burn. I think his end game was luring out Odium in an attempt to crush him.

Interesting read, and thanks to everyone who worked on transcribing the recording. It seems like Gavilar has been trying to bring back Odium/another Desolation for the purpose of uniting either the Heralds or maybe even the other Shards within Cosmere? When he says, "Unite them. I need a threat. Only danger will unite them," this seems to point towards something along those lines. Gavilar wants to bring back the KR, but for what purpose? Is it really just because he sees the people and squabbles on Roshar as drab and pointless? Or is there a larger end goal he's trying to achieve with this?

The 4 hour version of Return of the King wasn't the theatrical release. That's the extended cut edition. The theatrical release was still long though. The main problem is that one Stormlight book has the same page count roughly as LOTR in its entirety. You could easily make a trilogy of movies out of one Stormlight book. I'm kind of a fan of making two movies for each book (similar to how Harry Potter did one book like that, Hunger Games did one). You have to decide whether you want multiple movies per book or if you just want each movie to summarize the main parts of the book in one sitting. You're just not going to see theaters accept 4-5 hour movies. 2-3 is what you'll get.

I don't think anyone would go to a theater to see a 5 hour movie...I know enough casual fans who complain about the length of LOTR.

I'd put my money on Sean Bean.

Once Dalinar became a Bondsmith, I imagined that was what Gavilar ultimately meant by that statement. I've just been curious to know if there was anymore to it than that.

I used the search function to dig back through the forums on this topic, and I can't find anything that isn't a couple years old. When Gavilar says his last words to Szeth in WoK, he tells him that Dalinar must find the most important words a man can say. Fast forward a couple books, and it seems logical to believe Gavilar was talking about speaking the oaths of the KR. But does anyone have any theories as to what else Gavilar may have meant by that statement? I don't feel like the two books that are out ever truly re-elaborated on that statement. Maybe that's because it's simply referring to saying the oaths, but I've always wondered if there was more to it than I'm anticipating.

I just don't think you have to spend a lot of time on Shallan trying to steal the Soulcaster. That whole situation ends up resolving itself because Shallan is just so persistent. But you do raise a valid point about needing a female lead. You don't see much of that in the Kaladin and Dalinar parts of the book. I'm not saying Shallan should be eliminated from the movie, but her story takes a huge break in WoK. You don't even read about her much in the middle acts of the book. She should have a part in the movie, I'm just not a fan of making her screen time a 50/50 split with what's going on at the Shattered Plains. I think they should probably stay away from a lot of Kaladin's flashback scenes for the sake of time. I would like to see them do something at The Tower similar to how the book tells the story of Tien's death at that moment. I'm imagining a scene where Kaladin basically sees his life flash before his eyes. The audience would see short images of Kaladin holding Tien's body on the battlefield, Amaram ordering the execution of Kaladin's soldiers, and Kaladin being thrown into a slave wagon. When he snaps out of the vision, he infuses himself with Stormlight and charges the Parshendi army.

While I do agree a TV series works better for books of this length, I think you could still make a decent movie of the book in 2-3 hours. You just have to watch it with the understanding that the movie isn't meant to retell the entire story in the book, it's just meant to bring the story to life. I agree a lot with the first post. You'd have to cut out basically every interlude. I would reference Shallan by name and maybe even show her character a little just so the audience recognizes her in WoR. But you can get around telling the story of Shallan trying to steal the Soulcaster and save a lot of time. The movie would probably summarize her part in WoK as "this is Jasnah's ward, she'll have a role later." I would start the movie with the prologue to show Gavilar's assassination, then I'd jump into the scene where Kaladin is facing down a Shardbearer on the battlefield. Advance his time as a slave quickly to where he's being moved to Bridge 4. A lot of the movie should focus on Kaladin and Bridge Four. Show a few bridge runs, show Dalinar, Adolin, and Sadeas fighting on the chasms, give Dalinar's visions some screen time, introduce the audience to Stormlight, etc. Then you end the movie with the infamous scene at The Tower.

One thing that I don't think has been discussed much in here, how much emphasis does Sazed get in this movie? Thinking about his character in the grand scheme of the trilogy, he's the Hero of Ages. He struggles a lot with his faith in the later part of the trilogy, but the way he finds hope in the religions he studies is a huge part of the story as a whole. I know his character doesn't have as large of a role in the first book in comparison to Kelsier and Vin, but he's definitely an important character to show early on so the audience isn't surprised by his importance at the end if there turns out to be 3 movies.

I feel like Investiture is explained in the Ars Arcanum of the book as "this metal stores Investiture, we don't really know what that means" lol. I think all you really need to know is that you can use Investiture and Identify in unison to create metal minds that can be accessed by other people. I don't really worry about the details beyond that personally.