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I have an Emotion Bracelet (edit: it's the one Luna started with, obtained after voting to lynch her). I started with a Painrial, but gave it away a couple nights back. Edit: I also had Joe's Shardblade, obtained by being his heir, but gave that away when someone publicly revealed that I had it.
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Yes, Twei and Burnt. But, he didn't give it. He had it on him when he died, and giving items happens first before anything (except thievery). I assume he didn't submit orders at all, since he didn't use the blade either. EDIT: Also, Mark told them, not me.
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Reading things in chronological order isn't necessarily necessary. The first few books/series he wrote do not contain any spoilers/references to other books in any way where you'd want to read one before the other. Here's what I would recommend as far as "read X before Y" goes to fully get what's going on, avoid spoilers, and fully appreciate the cross-book references: [in any order] Elantris // Warbreaker // Mistborn 1-3 (The Final Empire, The Well of Ascension, The Hero of Ages) // Shadows for Silence in the Forests of Hell Stormlight Archive 1-2 (The Way of Kings, Words of Radiance) Mistborn 4-6 (The Alloy of Law, Shadows of Self, The Bands of Mourning) Mistborn: Secret History The Emperor's Soul can be read anywhere at the moment, but should probably be after Elantris. I'm not sure there are any actual spoilers in The Empreror's Soul for Elantris, but I can't be certain (while they do take place on the same world, the events of each happen very far away from each other). (Also, you should read The Emperor's Soul. It's my favorite Brandon Sanderson story so far, and that's saying something given how much I love the Stormlight Archive.) I haven't read the short story Sixth of the Dusk yet, so I can't comment on that one. I'm not sure if the upcoming graphic novel White Sand works best before or after the other books that share characters. I'd assume after since it's coming out after, but chronologically, I think it takes place before those books. Note that the Stormlight Archive is a 10-book series, split into two groups of five books. It'll be a long time before the whole series is finished, but it's so amazing, I can't not recommend reading what's out rather than waiting for more. The second era of Mistborn (the Wax and Wayne books) is a four book series and the last book (The Lost Metal) won't be written for a while. There's nothing wrong with going right from The Hero of Ages to The Alloy of Law without reading Brandon's other books if you want to continue the story of Scadrial (the world that Mistborn takes place on), but you'll miss out on a bunch of easter eggs and references and such if you do. There aren't spoilers for other series or anything in the later Mistborn books, just oblique references. As far as the other two Mistborn trilogies (the modern era one and the sci-fi era one), those won't be out for a while. Brandon's focusing on getting Stormlight 3-5 done, working in a couple other books between Stormlight books (stuff like the final Wax and Wayne book, a sequel to Warbreaker, and/or a sequel to Elantris - what he works on when isn't set in metal, but he's expressed interest in working on those books in those spots). The modern era Mistborn books will probably be written after Stormlight 1-5 is done, but before Stormlight 6-10. The very last Cosmere books he plans to write, I believe, are Dragonsteel and the space-era Mistborn books. My understanding is that Dragonsteel is the prequel to the whole Cosmere series, and the space-era Mistborn books are the finale of the Cosmere series, but I could be wrong on that last point. I don't know if Brandon intends to write the ending or the beginning of the Cosmere's story last, but my impression is that both will come after all others. Given it takes Brandon two years to write a Stormlight Archive book, it could be quite a while before he gets to the space era Mistborn stuff! -
Okay, so the reason why the ship needs ettmetal "fuel" isn't because it needs it to keep running, but because it needs it to keep mimicking Iron Feruchemy, forcing the ship itself to store iron, keeping the ship light enough to float? And possibly a bit of Steel Allomancy mixed in there for some lift?
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You know, I never actually read your sig before. I generally ignore sigs, so I hadn't realized what yours said until just now. Now everything makes sense.
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So, here's a question - what metal is "ettmetal?" Is it sodium, potassium, rubidium, or cesium? Sodium and potassium don't seem reactive enough in water, and cesium is liquid at room temperature. That implies that it's rubidium, a soft silver-white metal. I assume you can't be an ettmetal misting because swallowing it will cause you to explode, and an ettmetal metamind or spike seems like a really, really bad idea. What exactly does ettmetal do? I wasn't super clear on it. Was it what allowed the "Primer" to work? Or was it used as more conventional fuel for airship engines to make the turbines and such move?
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Isn't the huge benefit of Hemalurgy that it can be used to do pretty much anything, while the medallions are confined to the metallic arts? Like, you could spike a Knight Radiant to steal their Nahel Bond (stealing Shardblades is thinking too small, imo), or an Elantrian to become an Elantrian, or an Awakener to steal the Breaths they put into something (and the ability to use them if you need a Nalthis-specific spiritweb for that). Or, heck, spike a larkin and put its investiture-sucking ability into a giraffe from Scadrial to really, really confuse random coinshots who try to travel through the Roughs. Or you can give Duralumin Allomancy to an Edgedancer and let them have fun with Duralumin-enhanced Regrowth. Or Nicrosil Feruchemy to any Knight Radiant so they can store their stormlight for later use, giving them a practically infinite store without needing to carry spheres into battle or worry about them running out. There are just so many fun things you can do with Hemalurgy that you just can't do with pure Feruchemy/Allomancy two-power combos.
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(Sorry if this has been brought up before, but I couldn't find it in a search) We know that in the Cognitive Realm of Scadrial, the cognitive representations of everything in the physical realm appear as wisps of mist. In the Cognitive Realm of Roshar, they appear as spheres. So, what about the other worlds? I imagine the Cognitive Realm of Nalthis as a vast field of flowers, with each flower being a cognitive representation of a physical being or object. The landmasses would be vast seas of flowers, deep enough to drown in, with the waters appearing as forests where the flowers of fish bloom. Taldain, I assume would just be a desert, with each grain of sand a cognitive representation, the landmasses appearing as seas of loose sand, and any water as bare beaches with bits of sand littering them. What about Sel? What would it look like? I can't imagine what the Cognitive Realm of Sel would look like. I mean, apart from the giant Dor Storm. But, before the Splintering of Devotion and Dominion, what would the Cognitive Realm look like there? And Threnody? I can't imagine at all either... (I haven't read Sixth of the Dusk yet, so I can't say anything about First of the Sun, and I haven't read the Silence Divine, so I can't say anything about Ashyn either. Nor about Braize, Vax, or Yolen.)
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I haven't yet read White Sand, so I can't say anything about Autonomy. The red eyes of the Trellian Kandra and the red haze surrounding the world full of dread and destruction really sound like Odium to me though.
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Just after the bit in the epilogue of BoM with Kelsier's coppermind, I was convinced that Kell was Trell. And then I read SH, and reread the bit of the epilogue with the Trellian Kandra, and I'm utterly convinced that Kell CAN'T be Trell. Kell would never destroy Scadrial. Even if he went evil, I just can't see him destroying Scadrial or working directly against Sazed, and Trell definitely doesn't care one whit about Scadrial. Now I'm back to the obvious theory of "Trell = Odium." Before it was revealed that "The Sovereign" was Kelsier, I was convinced it was Odium's Vessel on Scadrial, the spike through the eye being a sign that he'd integrated himself with the local investiture the way he did on Roshar in order to tie himself to the planet.
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I dunno... they had vials of what seemed to me to be full of Dor. I don't know how they would get those from the physical realm if they didn't prepare before leaving it, leaving intentionally, to go off to form the Ire. Also, Elantris takes place many hundreds of years before Mistborn: The Final Empire, so they've had quite a lot of time. While they probably do transport themselves to Shadesmar via the Elantris Shardpool, which is almost certainly Devotion's Perpendicularity, I don't think it was the Elantrans that were put into the Shardpool during the events of the book, or before that. Even though they were described as ancient, I just feel like the left long after Raodan fixed Elantris, and they left knowing what they'd find and how to get there. Also, wouldn't they just get torn apart by the Dor Storm if they hadn't done extensive research first anyway? (Btw, speaking of the Ire, I love that the symbol for that "Part" of the book was the Aon for Ire (time, age), but done in the style of Scadrial metallurgic runes. When I looked at the symbol, I was like "Huh, this looks familiar..." and then they mentioned the silvery skin, and I was like "!!!" and looked up the Aons, shortly before it was obvious that "Ire" was the Aon Ire xD)
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There were two obvious points in Mark's favor - starting with a Shardblade and not using said Shardblade until expressly requested to do so by the town, and only using it in ways expressly requested by the town (or at least a large portion of it). Something like five or six people asked him to use it the first time, and five people asked him to use it the second time. Unless you think there are five GBs left, that's not GB behavior in the slightest. Killing Mark makes zero sense for Stink to have done if he's a Noble. But, I'm not convinced Stink necessarily cares about acting sensibly He wanted a Shardblade, so he attacked someone who he thought had a Shardblade, not caring if they were Town or not. It's just like DC's duel declaration on someone he openly admitted he thought was a Noble. Something done just because he could and was bored. It's not about winning, it's about "hey, I have this neat toy I haven't used yet that I want to use." I guess some people like playing like that, and that's fine, I guess. It's their game too, they can play it however they want. But I'm not convinced it was anything more than that from Stink. "This is boring, might as well shoot someone. Who to shoot? How about the guy with the shinier weapon so I can attack with that next time?" There's so many vig kills in this game, any bored townie can just tank the town for fun. So, personally, Stink isn't high on my list of suspicions. I think he's probably going to kill another Noble tonight for fun, possibly me for this post, but I also think we should try to lynch an actual Ghostblood if we can this turn instead of going after the bored townie with a gun (at least, I think of him as a townie, you're welcome to disagree - I'm not trying to put words in other people's mouth, I'm just talking from my own perspective).
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So, you think me successfully defending him from the Ghostblood attack was a WGG? I've been wondering about that... If you think it was a WGG (and I'm not arguing against it here, I have no idea), do you think they expected me to use the Painrial on him, or do you think he was otherwise protected as well (holding Shardplate or the target of a GB Painrial)? I'm asking because the only person who knew I had a Painrial the night after I declared Stink my heir was Wilson. I'm not trying to argue for Stink or Wilson to be Ghostblood here in this post, I'm just trying to form connections ("if X is Ghostblood, chances are that Y is also Ghostblood," and so on). There are 2-3 of them out there...
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I gave my T2 item response above. Also, my other two actions were filled with stuff I couldn't do - attack with the blade that Mark said he gave me and defend with the plate Mark said he gave me. So, if you believe me, then I couldn't have done the kill, but that requires you to believe me, which would kinda mean you believe me already, so that kinda defeats the point...
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... can other people vote? Please? Even if it's against me? The game isn't that fun or interesting when other people aren't participating
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Sorry! Blame DC. If he hadn't started acting super suspicious, you probably wouldn't be. If you want to help me correct that, you are welcome to cast your vote for Sheep too?
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Thinking about it more, Mark's plate had one normal hit of protection left, didn't it? So, Maill could have randomized who broke the plate and who dealt the killing blow. If true, that suggests that Stink isn't the Ghostblood killer. I'm willing to believe that he just hasn't been paying much attention and killed Mark on a whim, despite us knowing he had a Shardblade (edit: and DC's plate too from what I've shared, which we also knew had a hit left from what's been shared publicly). At least Stink or Mark's heir has that blade now, not the Ghostbloods... Looking at things not through the lens of irritation and frustration, I think it's most likely that the Ghostbloods include at least one of: Alvron or Sheep. If Mark had handed off his blade in our game of hot potato intended to keep the Ghostbloods guessing about which of us had it like he meant to do (but I guess he forgot to submit actions, or he was lying to me), I would have killed Sheep last night. The lack of Shardblade kills suggests that Zas could be a Noble, and that supports Wilson being Noble and just not trusting the rest of us. So, I guess, Stink and Sheep. And, sorry for overreacting to irritation and frustration. I'll do my best to rein it in from here on out.
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You do realize that you vig killed one of the three most obviously Townie people that were left, right? I can't see any reason why you'd do that unless you were Ghostblood. Or not paying attention? I totally get why people would go for Burnt, my trust of her was personal and there was no proof. Mark had a lot more going for him there. Oh, and Burnt didn't do the GB kill. I decided to check up on her, just in case, figuring if she was Ghostblood, she was likely to do the kill since she knew at least some of the people who have EBs trusted her. That doesn't objectively clear her or anything, but I figure it's still useful to know.
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Stink Edit: since we only see one name, I assume Stink attacked him twice, once as a Ghostblood and once with the Grandbow. I guess the time I successfully protected Stink was a WGG after all... What I don't understand is why Mark didn't put on that order to give me his Plate and his Blade that he said he put in... Giving items happens before kills.
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Cool! We just need to narrow the search for Hoid down between those ten then.
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Of course not - we know it has to have been Hoid using a non-murder ability on Elbereth, which wound up killing her because Stick. So, it certainly wasn't intentional, he just wanted to redirect her vote or vote against her in secret (almost certainly the former since we can see a different secret vote in the tally).
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natc's post could be the right answer, but there's another possibility. Vasher has spent quite some time on Roshar, even long before the events of Warbreaker. Nightblood was inspired by Rosharan Shardblades, after all (there's a WoB on that). Vasher could, in theory, have a stash of Stormlight to feed off of instead of Breath, even on Nalthis. Of course, he couldn't replenish the Stormlight except by going back to Roshar, and, as far as we know, you can't store it for any length of time (it degrades over time as it spends its Investiture to give off light when not otherwise employed). Vasher, being the Investiture scientist he is, could have figured out a way to preserve Stormlight, like food in a fridge. natc's post is probably the right answer though. It's the simplest, and the events of Warbreaker last far longer than spheres full of Stormlight would without being renewed (unless they were huuuuge gemstones, I suppose), and I doubt Vasher took a detour to Roshar for takeout between his scenes in Warbreaker. We don't know how hard Worldhopping is or how long it takes, but I'd guess it's not THAT easy OR quick. EDIT: Err, wait, ignore me, I'm being stupid. Even if Vasher was sustaining himself on Stormlight, giving away his Divine Breath would kill him. So, nothing I said above has anything to do with your question, and natc's answer is the right one definitely. I was accidentally answering the similar question, "How can Vasher survive without any breaths other than his Divine Breath for an extended period of time?"
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Well, I think that clinches it. Hoid redirected Elbereth and then Secret Voted for Aman. By the rules, Hoid can't be any of the people who voted.
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You're right, honestly. When I said "another plate," I still had it in my head that you were Ghostblood when I posted that, but that faulty logic. Sorry about that. And I wasn't saying that Kyne was cleared or anything, just that I, personally (just me (meaning, not you (or anyone else (just me)))), thought he was a red heiring and thus a bad choice to choose, from my (yup, still just me) perspective. I wasn't talking for you or the rest of the town.
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Voters: Araris, Conquestor, Phattemer, Lopen, Paranoid King, leiftinspace, Nyali, DeathClutch, cloudjumper, Mailliw, Young Bard, Elbereth, Sheep, Amanuensis Non voters: 1. Par Degaton (Master Elodin) 2. Jonly (The Only Joe) 3. Hal Heatherlock (Parodium Haelbarde) 4. Seznith Seridanon (Kynedath) 5. Alkazar (Zephrer) 6. Bernte Ghetti (Burnt Spaghetti) 7. (MarkIV) 8. Nila Hamming (Arrenae) 9. Valan Quivar (Quiver) 10. Second of the Sky (Alvron) Oh, I miscounted because Elbereth both died and voted. Still. That's a nicely small set of people, if the OP is correct and the invisible vote is Hoid's secret vote. And if Hoid can't also post a public vote, or if he does, if it's ignored in the public count.
