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  1. Nyali
    Right, so that makes Araris likely the one in that list who didn't start with a shard.
  2. Nyali
    Do you know how (and more importantly, why) Elodin got Dominion then?
  3. Nyali
    The trick is to screw with people, but not in the way they think you're screwing with them. Like, include subtle errors in what you say that sheds doubt on townies and makes other eliminators less suspicious. I'm trying to figure out which of the people in the "list of shards" is an eliminator.
  4. Nyali
    Unless I'm mistaken, there's a WoB out there that says that Drabs can't Return. When a Returned dies by giving up their Breath, their body drains of color completely and they die a Drab (also, unless I'm mistaken). So, I don't think a Returned who gives up their Divine Breath is capable of being re-Returned. But, a Returned who dies in other ways, I could see it being possible. It'd be an interesting question to ask! But, thinking about it, people Return to fulfill a very specific purpose. They see something in the future that they want to prevent, and they Return to change it. They lose their memories until they approach that point in the future where they intend to die, and the closer they get to that point, the stronger their memories become. At least, that's how it worked for Lightsong and Calmseer, the only two Returned who know that gave up their Divine Breath (and that we know the circumstances of said sacrifice, though Calmseer's is in the annotations, not the text, since no character in the story has any way of knowing the truth). So, if they die before that's done, I could see Endowment letting them try again. I can also see Endowment not giving them another chance after having failed the first time. She's enabling them to try to change fate, but she's not intervening herself, just giving mortals the opportunity. Bringing them back over and over until they succeed would be interfering, and if there's no chance of failure, then choice is meaningless. Spoilers for Bands of Mourning: But, if Endowment really wanted to guarantee the success of the Returned, couldn't she just have them tell her what they want done, and she would use the investiture of a Divine Breath to heal the person that the would-be Returned wanted healed when the time came? That would be far easier and waste far less of her available investiture. Bringing them back over and over until they succeed would be the same thing as just doing it herself, which is explicitly what she's trying not to do.
  5. Nyali
    Hmm. I'm just trying to understand how they knew so many of us were on Roshar. Blowing it up roleblocked everyone there. They could have picked one at random, but we were planning stuff together there. ... if those were actually all starting Shards, then if anyone told them, the only person it could have been would be Honor's Champion, who does not automatically share the village win condition. (EDIT: Clarified wording)
  6. Nyali
    Regarding Warbreaker, a lot of the romantic progression is implied rather than shown, because there's only so much screentime, and it isn't a romance novel. We get to see glimpses of how their relationship progresses at various stages, but there's a lot more going on in the novel that needs to be covered. I feel that the scenes we do get to see do show how and why they are falling in love with each other, while you have to keep in mind that they're spending every single night together, mostly just talking once things get going. We don't see all of that, but knowing that happens behind the scenes lends context to the scenes we do get to see. Also, one of the biggest scenes that shows them falling in love with each other is the one where they order a ton of food. That scene was modeled after one of Brandon's strongest memories from his honeymoon, if I'm remembering right, where he and his wife ordered room service and had a similar experience, though the context was of course different. That scene, to Brandon, is romantic, real, and indicative of the sorts of things and behaviors that he considers romantic. If you disagree, that's fine, but to me that illustrates that you and the author have different views of romance, and if you don't agree with the author's views of romance, you aren't likely to enjoy the romantic scenes he writes. And that's fine! But keep in mind that there are people out there like us who do agree. ==================== As an anecdotal sidenote, the first time I visited my future wife's house, before we started dating, her brother happened to fart quite loudly. My future wife and I then spent a while talking about farts. That was one of our first real conversations. So, Shallan's first real conversation with Adolin was particularly amusing and touching to us, even if much of it was about poop. To me, the fact that they could discuss a normally taboo subject is romantic (while also being utterly hilarious). That they can be so comfortable with each other says a lot to me about where their relationship is heading.
  7. Nyali
    One of the people on Roshar was 17th Shard. Here's a list: Haelbarde leiftinspace Zephrer TheMightyLopen Nyali That just leaves Leift or Hael. EDIT: Also, Alvron. Stop killing us
  8. Nyali
    Isn't that what he said? You only have the one item (the Shardplate we all know you have)?
  9. Nyali
    Which dictionary is that? I'm used to this definition (Merriam-Webster): EDIT: I guess the distinction I'm trying to make is that I think of "Domination" as aggressively taking control of another person, group, or country, whereas I see "Dominion" as having control over a region. One has strong negative connotations, the other is completely neutral. Some dictionaries apparently conflate the two terms though, but I still think that when Brandon says "Dominion," he's talking about ruling, not conquering. Yes, the people we all associate with Dominion are all about dominating, but from my reading of Elantris, the point was that they were twisting their religion and beliefs to mean they should conquer, but that isn't what the religion or beliefs was actually about. Similar to Christianity being used to justify conquest during the Crusades, or Islam being used to justify terrorism in the modern era, both of which are religions that actually revolve around being peaceful.
  10. Nyali
    I might later, but I don't have the time right now to go through all 49 pages x.x I really want to though, to see if it's clear who the 5th Ghostblood is from how people have talked about the other four.
  11. Nyali
    We're not being patronizing... We're joking with each other, sure, but I think you're totally misreading our tone. I think it's fine to have different opinions, and I think we're not going to see eye to eye on this (and that's also fine). I personally feel like the relationships do have enough page time, and gave my reasoning. You disagree, and gave your reasoning. There's nothing patronizing going on here...
  12. Nyali
    This can be hard due to items discarding if you already have one, or one in the same category (for 1A/1Ds).
  13. Nyali
    Breath is also expensive. Stormlight is free. Or, at least, it has been for all of Vasher's life so far. Fun fact: Vasher was originally written in the first draft of the Stormlight Archive, and Warbreaker was written in part because Brandon wanted to write his backstory.
  14. Nyali
    When did you check? Last night? EDIT: Actually, it doesn't matter when you checked. If Kyne is GB and was Alv's heir, then the Painrial would have been destroyed since Kyne already had a defensive item. So, it wouldn't show up on a spy.
  15. Nyali
    I'm expecting her to be a Worldhopper, but I'm also expecting something to have happened after Warbreaker (like, in the unwritten book Nightblood) that resulted in her getting fed up with Vasher and ditching him. Spoilers for Words of Radiance:
  16. Nyali
    Getting off topic, so:
  17. Nyali
    No. Clearly, we must discuss defecation. It's traditional around here. <.< (And I have a wife, not husband - same sex marriage ftw!)
  18. Nyali
    I guess that makes sense. That'd mean whomever he passed it to has the shard now, not his killer (or the last person invested in). It also means that whomever has the shard could have another shard (which couldn't be the case if it was an investee) and could be Odium/Autonomy/17th Shard. I guess it's most likely he handed it off to someone he was absolutely sure of, like Devotion?
  19. Nyali
    Sounds right to me. Personally, the only person on that list who hasn't given me any reason to trust them is Kyne. Of course, one of the people who's given me a reason to trust them could still be the GB instead. Still, I'm going to have to go with Kyne, yet again, for now. What do other people think? (EDIT: Wording - double negatives aren't not confusing.)
  20. Nyali
    <3 Clearly, we must now romance.
  21. Nyali
    This can't be right. When Elodin died, it said he was a Vessel, though not what shard he held. Doesn't that mean he was originally one of the starting shards?
  22. Nyali
    I think I have to disagree on Brandon being bad at romance. I think some of his romantic situations are pretty downright adorable and interesting. I love that he almost never writes love polygons, which I find contrived and utterly stupid (I'm polyamorous, so I have a really hard time understanding love triangles and the like). I like that his apparent triangles are actually something entirely different, and the characters take time figuring that out. He has plots where characters fall in love with each other in absence of direct conflict against that love, and to me, that's pretty refreshing after some of the other stories I've been consuming. That said, Brandon has written a specific romantic scenario four times now that I can think of, and let me put this behind a tag just in case (spoilers for most of Sanderson's books): (I apologize for any name spelling errors - I listen to audio books mostly these days and am just guessing on some of them.)
  23. Nyali
    Why would Autonomy give up the shard? How would that even work, since it doesn't change anyone's win conditions, it just makes it so Autonomy can never win?
  24. Nyali
    Yeah, same. When you mentioned the idea that the GBs were just sitting back and letting us kill each other as long as we weren't putting active suspicion on them and kept vigging each other, it suddenly struck me that Alv hadn't posted much and was sitting back and letting us do what we were doing. But, he was active on the forums and in other games. It just seemed like such a good tactic at that point, especially with none of us pointing it out or calling him out on it, that I had to hit him.
  25. Nyali
    That was my hit, by the way. I changed my mind at the last second and hit Alv instead of Macen. I'm glad I did. EDIT: What's our player list at this point? Kyne, Stink, Macen, Twei, Wilson, and me? EDIT2: Oh, yeah, and Zas! Hi, Zas! You're still around! So, that's seven.
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