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A very good point. Two things that may help neutralize that, are that we are in the middle of a Desolation, and the religious implications of having actual Radiants. Of course, Dalinar is a heretic, so that last reason may not mean as much as usual.

I am not at all convinced Kaladin and Jasnah would naturally make a good couple. I think there is a good case that it would take a lot of work, at best. At best! (at worst, they kill each other). Nor have I followed the Jas-adin debates closely, so I apologize if this has already come up. But I am not convinced Jasnah would spend much time even taking their compatibility into account. Of course, for that matter, I think it is entirely possible that Jasnah perfers women. But when she first realizes Shallan was a Radiant, she immediately has her engaged to Adolin. Now, there are far too many Radiants to that for everyone. But arguably the most important man on Roshar, after Dalinar, is Kaladin. He is the most accomplished Radiant so far (even if Shallan is technically ahead of him in oaths) and he has the most squires by far. Of course, part of that is his order's resonance/quirk, but still, he has the most. Jasnah is going to want him to marry into her family. This will be important for the Kholin Dynasty survival and stability. It would not be wise to have someone so powerful compete for power, even if utterly unintentionally. History will be a compelling factor here for Jasnah. I am sure she knows of other great dynasties that collapsed for similar reasons. So, if Jasnah can't marry him to one of her sisters, she will make a play for him herself. And I expect she will be terrible at it. Shallan might be helpful, with her powers of transformation, for instance how she helped the bandits become better men, even if she is helpless at transforming material. (I am a stick!)

Dalinar is certainly getting messages to unite them, from someone other than the Stormfather. Whoever that is from, it is very likely the same as Unity. Honor is dead, so if the Stormfather doesn't know about it, it can't be him either. I still stand by Adonalsium.

I am going to go with a third option - Cultivation. She has had time to plan and cultivate and she is has set up things so some Radiants (of which Renarin is the first) will have a powerset partly of Odium, and be completely invisible to him. The more power he brings to Roshar, the more powerful these wildcards become. Note, it isn't just Renarin. It is also Venli. She has a mixed powerset as well, when that shouldn't be possible, and again, Odium is ignorant of it. Cultivation is co-oping Odium's own power and advantages for herself, all under his nose and without him knowing. Prediction: When Odium does figure it out, he is going to flip out in a highly disproportionate manner. He will not be happy with powers mixing.

I was trying to think of somewhere to use a song from Paint Your Wagon. Depending what you have in mind, you might try Gold Fever. Plus, it is sung by Clint Eastwood. Edit: On second thought, you probably wanted those words, instead of just the idea, so this probably won't work. But the moral ambiguity would be great for Moash.

Brandon has really refused to clarify what was happening here, but he has said that Dalinar only said the third oath. So, when Dalinar said, I am Unity, I think Odium temporary confused him with Adonalsium. That is the only group murder we know of that Odium/Rayse was a part of, was the Shattering of Adonalsium.

One thing that occurred to me, is how quickly Jasnah decided to have Shallan marry into the family, once she realized that she was a Surgebinder. Of course, there are a lot of Surgebinders now and I certainly don't expect Jasnah to become involved with the Lopen! But Kaladin is a leader among Radiants, and the only one to be given land. He is the only one to start raising other Radiants. Besides Dalinar, Kaladin is arguably the *most* important Radiant. I am certain Kaladin rubs her the wrong way, but the political consequences of someone so important, powerful and charismatic as Kaladin is going to remind Jasnah of countless instances in history where this kind of thing has weakened or destroyed ruling families. She may pursue this as a political marriage for strictly political reasons. Of course, there are a lot of other things on their minds while they are in the middle of a Desolation.

People from Yolen must be pretty rare, or out of the public eye, as Khriss still has not found it yet. How do you get in touch with people that hard to find? The mechanics of of how this works still makes me curious. I still think a Shard of Communication makes a lot of sense. And a corresponding Shard of Sight. But there is more than just addressing a letter to Yolen.

My guess is that Cultivation is behind this strange merging of powers, and she made him relatively invisible to Odium in order to mess up his plans before he could even see it. Now, what we will have to look for in the future is, other sapient spren, who are also off of Odium's radar.

My thought has been that if humans have the Nahel bond, and Parshendi have their own bonds, for making forms, then Aimians have a different kind of bond, specifically for fabrials.

I think Taravangian and Rlain would be fantastic, if unconventional, Bondsmiths. Rlain in particular would be a good way to start unifying humans and parshmen.

Considering that Odium's response to the Unity line is "We killed you", I think he temporarily mistook him for Adonalsium.

If we compare most magic systems, they are all very different. Allomancy and the Metallic Arts are nothing like Awakening, which is nothing like what happens on Sel. Etc, etc, etc. But if we compare Surgebinding and Voidbinding, they are almost identical. There are some differences, but they are very small in comparison with any other magic system. So why is Voidbinding so similar to Surgebinding? We do know that dustbringer spren used to be voidish. And one Unmade may switch sides. The red we see in many cases, is due to one magic system running another system. I wonder if there is a lot more to the history of Odium and Honor and Cultivation.

Ok, I read the Liar chapters, but I have not read the Aether of Night book yet, but can any one give me a tentative non-canon explanation of Aethers?

It may be foolish for Mr T to make a deal with the devil, but I strongly suspect, it was unwise of the devil to make a deal with him. And yes, Renarin is a key. I wonder if Odium can see any of the half-void Radiants.

Tarivangian is a real possibility. Yes, he is a bit evil, but it is his goal to unite.

I am sympathetic to this viewpoint, but as it stands right now, we can't tell how things entangle, without a regular-speed signal. Keep in mind, that Entanglement is just a kind of statistical correlation. If it makes you feel better, one of the most interesting theories out there right now is called "ER=EPR", which suggests that those entangled pairs, are really connected by quantum sized wormholes. So, who knows? Maybe in the future we can do some crazy super-luminal stuff with it, but right now we just can't.

My suspicion is that it was the Skybreakers who scoured Aimia, for similar reasons that they were hunting proto-Radiants. I also suspect that the secret has something to do with Odium's imprisonment- they were somehow involved in trapping him. That also makes me wonder if the Aimians are also newcomers to Roshar.

Correct, but the only way to tell it has happened, is to double check with a signal that does not go faster than light, so any actual information can not travel faster than light.

Quantum Entanglement is supposed to be instantaneous, but it can NOT be used to send information faster than light.

In case no one has seen this WoB

There is some weird similarities there. Are there any other Steel Alphabet letters that are closer? I have no idea why we would be seeing something like this. Let's just keep an eye open on this. One possibility, is the quasi-Hemalurgy when the dagger was used on Jezrien, but I am still doubtful. (yes, there is a recent WoB that this is similar, could be seen as, Hemalurgy)

Questioner (paraphrased) Are the Parshendi of Odium? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Not originally. -- PadraicSeebrr (paraphrased) Are the Parshendi of Honor? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) No. -- Questioner (paraphrased) Are the Parshendi of Cultivation? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Not originally.

But why were the Voidbringers so intent on finding it, if it was just a random cryptic? There is something more to this.

Just a additional data point to consider: there is a WoB that the Listeners are of Cultivation and Odium, but not of Honor. Take that for what you will.