Kingsdaughter613

Have you read secret history? It is explained.

Well, keep in mind that Kelsier would still be around. Also

I've been rereading the HoA annotations, and guess what I found? "The Final Empire is at the North Pole. What's at the South Pole? Hum, I wonder..." Also the annotations for chapter 58, which tell us all about Kelsier ascending. This is where I found out about that, BTW. Even as a casual fan I love to read about an author's process. And AGAIN in chapter 63. Also a brief note in 72. Another hint at the South for chapter 76... Soon... finished rereading the annotations. I loved how Brandon says Vin and Elend will not appear in future Mistborn series... but neglects to mention Kelsier... Considering how long these annotations have been available, and they are something even casual fans might have been expected to read, I feel there was plenty of foreshadowing. Then again, that might just be me...

I think that might have been from the old civilization though. Before Rashek messed things up. They were on that technological level. With regard to Kelsier, Brandon did do a lot of foreshadowing through the beliefs of the Church of the Survivor. It's also in the HoA annotations, AND Sazed briefly mentions him, which lead to Brandon reconfirming in those annotations. That was how I found out. Am I the only one who reads those things? I also think it was fairly obvious who Sovereign was, if you knew anything about the characters. My tip off? “Well, yah, but everyone interprets it as a challenge. A test sent by the Sovereign? He was fond of those. Why would he let priests tell us about them, if he didn’t want us to come claim them?" This sounds EXACTLY like who it turned out be. Add in the Church of the Survivor foreshadowing? Marasi pretty much gives the whole thing away in the graveyard sequence. To be fair I DID realize Harry and Ginny were going to end up together in book one... and called Ron/Hermione too. I was six, and only two books had been released. And when all I knew about Star Wars was some lego minifigures and the first paragraph of the Phantom Menace book I called Anakin being Vader. (I literally knew nothing of Star Wars at the time.) So maybe I'm just crazy? South Scadrians are a bigger surprise, but looking back you can find the hints and get a 'oh that's what it was! I totally missed that!" moment on reread. And there is still book three to give context... whenever we get it... Here is the quote I felt gave it away. "The Survivor himself, of course, broke the rules. He always had. Doctrine explained he was not dead, but surviving—and planning to return in their time of greatest need. But if the end of the world hadn’t been enough to get him to return in his glory, then what could possibly do so?" I read this and was, like, Brandon, there had BETTER be a good reason why you are hitting me over the head with this in this book. Are you finally bringing Kelsier back into play? I half expected the Survivor to show up in person at that point... And upon rereading the annotations I came upon this gem: The Final Empire is at the North Pole. What's at the South Pole. Hum, I wonder?

As an amateur author I find that having too many ideas makes it harder to write a coherent narrative. Brandon deals with that by putting them in other books. If you look at the years between books in a SERIES, as opposed to books put out the number is closer to the average (though still faster.) Most authors either set those ideas aside, have them take over the narrative, or end up with writers block as they deal with them. JKR had a major writing block that prevented book five from being written for a while. WoT lost the narrative and we got several books of haphazard plots (which is my gut feeling on SoIaF.) Brandon writes a sequel, because the first book is giving him trouble... Oh, and a novela, because he had this OTHER story that just needed to be written. On a totally different topic, Luciellav, your reaction to SH was basically my reaction after reading this passage: "Well, yah, but everyone interprets it as a challenge. A test sent by the Sovereign? He was fond of those. Why would he let priests tell us about them, if he didn’t want us to come claim them?" Otherwise known as the moment I realized who the Sovereign REALLY was.

To be fair, there is a third possibility when authors add random plot elements. Sometimes you start writing and then you get this great idea you have to put in. Or you realize that character X would be doing Y and add that. Then, before you know it, you've lost all control of your story which gets progressively longer and more meandering as you write it. I feel this what happened to WoT for a while, and I feel like it's happening to GRRM as well. Less about milking a cash cow, and more about the author losing control of his story. That's why Brandon's method works so well; when he gets this awesome new idea he writes a NEW story, or novela, or book, or SERIES, instead of forcing it into his current book and bogging down the narrative.

I loved the Abhorsen series. They should not allow people to write these things without knowing how the powers work. Yrael is incredibly powerful, so the author of that match had BETTER not act as though Mogget is a cat. Read it!! And the author actually knew what the powers were and how they worked. As opposed to everyone writing Vin and Elend.

It's also worth pointing out that a trilogy of trilogies is an interesting method. Essentially, the books can be looked at in several ways. The first book in most individual trilogies can often stand alone but introduces us to the world. The second builds on the first and the third concludes. They can also be looked at as one 'big' trilogy. Era 1 then is our introduction to the world and stands utterly alone. Era 2 can stand alone but builds on Era 1 with its own plot. Era 3 concludes the trilogy, expanding even further and wrapping everything up. However, as each series is a full trilogy they can each stand alone to an extent. So what are Mistborn Adventures? Essentially, the midquel that most authors would write BETWEEN writing Era 2 and 3. Brandon being Brandon, this got written first. (He is the man who wrote the sequel to SOS before writing SOS.) If we assume, and it isn't much of a stretch, that South Scadrians were always going to be part of Era2 and realize that Era 2 would usually be written prior to the midquel it actually makes a lot of sense why their appearance here feels out of left field. They were supposed to be explained in the series Brandon has not gotten around to writing yet!

I don't remember. Reddit maybe? I remembered that one because I found it fascinating. I'm not very good at remembering where or when I read these things... Or when they were written... The purifier thing is my own opinion.

That's why I specified space trilogy. Aluminum gnats have little use on Scadrial, except to possibly mess up hemalurgy and soothing/rioting attempts. But take them to, say, Threnody and their powers suddenly have a far wider range of use. Burning aluminum does prevent the withering. It might also interfere with use of the Dor, and possibly some surgebindings as well. It's the ability to keep the gnat safe from some variants of investiture that makes it useful. Good for a first contact diplomat perhaps? On a related note, I'm of the opinion that Aluminium gnats should more accurately be called purifiers. Also, WoB is that aluminum does not do what Scadrians think it does.

Oh, good. I'm new to the forums and was worried I'd messed up.

I thought the stuff outside the spoilers was only from HoA? Where did I mess up?

And Brandon gave us an awesome dialogue between Kelsier and Moiraine. No actual fighting, but very true to the characters. Oh, and a potential Cosmere spoiler too...

Thank you Landis.

Since my spoilers should hopefully work now: Without reading SH; there were a few minutes between Elend's death and Vin killing Ruin. Then a few more before Saze took up the power, and still more as he fixed the world. Brain death occurs in 8 minutes, approximately. Saze also says in his note that he expects he'll get better at bringing people back as he gains experience. 300 years later...

Natc, THANK YOU!!! Hopefully I'll get it right in the future. Thanks for fixing my post.

A female Aluminum gnat in the Space trilogy. I want to explore what aluminum is REALLY capable of.

I think King made a great point there. I'm not an avid follower of the interviews or forums, but I do read all the annotations and try to keep aware of the greater Cosmere. Brandon has explained the difference between brain death and heart stopping, which is the general method to determine how long someone can be brought back. Investiture changes this somehow, at least on Scadrial. (If this is only true of Scadrial it may be due to preservation. We have yet to see if Investiture does this [keeping the person around for a bit] on other worlds.) Not knowing any of the above would certainly make it feel wrong. What makes this really interesting is that, for those who only read Adventures, those points would not be much of an issue. They would assume it was mentioned in the first series! For those of us who try to keep aware of WoBs this has been hinted for years. For those who only read the various books, but not the outside information, those plot points came out of nowhere. WHY do spoiler tags never work for me?

I have two names and know exactly one other person with that combination; my second cousin, and she's a baby. It can happen. That being said; Vin , Kelsier and Elend are likely common names to the extent that Jesus and Mohammed are common names. Keep in mind that we don't know the names of most people; only a handful of main, major and secondaries. It's not that odd that they don't share names. Kaladin's bridge squad has an even better reason; many are from different regions and cultures. In a class of thirty two, only two names were repeated. How many people are actually named in any one book?

The thing is, I see Bruce as having found his way to Scadrial, as opposed to Rashek finding his way to Earth. In large part because Earth is not part of the cosmere and we can't say whether or not Investiture works outside it. DC heroes finding their way to another planet though? Happens all the time. Keep in mind, Rashek is complacent, and has no personal experience with our kind of technology. Or plastic... And Bruce would not fight Superman without Kryptonite.

spoiler/[if White Sand is a thousand years before Elantris, then the people of Taldain are likely in space by the time we meet Sarene and Raoden.]/spoiler If I'm not allowed to post that then let me know and I'll take it down. How do I get the spoilers to work?!

Except this is Brandon's world. The author who writes a vs. match that ends with a forfeit and no fighting. Unless you count the 'victor' being tied up by the 'loser'...

Batman did beat superman. And my theory is that he finds a way to neutralize Rashek's power. It's how he works when faced with more powerful opponents. Aluminum grapples to pull off the bracers?

It was the story in the BoM newspaper. The in book one, that is. The broadsheet.

I actually think Kell is a cross between chaotic good and chaotic neutral.