Kingsdaughter613

The mental illness and the (badly) suppressed anger and trauma. Possibly the distrust as well. Not any good traits, but a similar psychology. For more info please PM me.

I always took Shallan's assault on Kaladin's parents as transference on her part. SHE had the horrific home life, but is suppressing large portions of it which are now surfacing. Transferring it to someone else is part of her coming to terms with it. As for why he's the victim of her transference... I have a theory that Kaladin reminds Shallan of Lin on an unconscious level. It would explain several of their interactions.

I think Jezrian is sitting at the beggars feast, completely drunk, during Gavilar's assassination. The description fits anyway. He says 'have you seen me?' to Szeth, and right afterwards Szeth walks by the Heralds statues...

Governor comes from the word govern, and can mean a variety of different things depending on the usage. At its simplest it merely someone in charge which works here. The Basin appears to be a collection of city-States, much like ancient Greece. However, I believe each city sends representatives to a Senate in Elendel. A Confederacy, perhaps? The Basin isn't exactly a unified country, but it isn't quite separate ones either. It probably has some resemblance to the American system, where each state is a mini country, but also part of a larger one. Maybe early Constitution United States, or even the Articles US. Elendel is the trade hub and it controls the other cities through a mercantile like system. The oppression is monetary, not physical. Taxes have caused more than one civil war. Which, though most Americans don't see it this way, is what our revolution WAS. It just happened to be successful, which is why it is a revolution.

As an artist, here are some thoughts. You get brown and grey the same way when mixing pigments. (It has to with contrasting colors.) I've never actually understood why awakening turns objects grey, as grey is itself a color and should be usable for awakening. It makes more sense to turn things white... Which DOES happen when a person with sufficient power drains ALL color from an object. So where does that leave us? Simple. We are not actually seeing grey; we are perceiving grey! Look up pointilism. See the pictures? See the colors? Now look VERY closely. Tiny dots. Tiny tiny dots. The eye mixes those dots into pictures... AND colors. basically, when you awaken something you don't suck all the color from an object; you suck MOST of the color from an object. On a microscopic level. The result is something our eyes perceive as grey (but isn't.) If you drain all the color you are left with white. if someone was VERY good at awakening maybe they could pull all the color from small amounts of fabric? Individual threads perhaps? As they'd be pulling more color from a smaller area most of the color should be drained. Because our eyes read this as one color a piece of fabric would appear to get lighter. Say, dark brown to tan? In reality a coat might be threads of dark brown and pale grey, but it would LOOK like a tan. and adding pale grey paint to a brown one is one way of getting tan... if i'm right about the grey versus white then we don't need to invent new rules for awakening. We just use the ones we have and assume Ven Dell is very subtle. Which isn't much of a jump - he IS a Kandra.

Yes, but then they stepped back. Wax and Steris will likely be recalled for beginning negotiations with the South, but it will be the leaders on both sides that will be the major players. It's quite possible that the negotiations will be what is actually remembered; those involved will be forgotten. (Do YOU know the names of the people who wrote the Magna Carta? I don't. John signed it to Richard's chagrin, but the people who actually wrote it?) If we are talking about the other major revelation, a lot depends on Wax's actions. If he keeps it quiet, which he may well do, then he isn't going to be remembered in regard to it. The Bands are going to be kept quiet, if anyone has any sense, and medallion technology will likely be associated with the above treaty negotiations. The greatest irony may well be that, despite all they've done, our quartet is all but forgotten by most people. Somewhat like Richard Henry Lee. (For those not into US history, he was the one who brought the official motion for independence to the continental congress. The result of which was a, considerably better known, Declaration...)

I have a crazy theory that full Feruchemists are as natural as Mistborn. (As in, they really aren't.) Basically my idea is that whoever took up the Well before Rashek used it's power to create Feruchemists among his/her people. (Or the means by which they became Feruchemists.) Those people became the Terris. It would also explain how they knew so much. Brandon has refused to tell us where the first Feruchemists came from, which is why I don't think it's natural. This was my explanation. I'm sure there are better ones... has Brandon said anything about the cycles before the Rashek incident?

I think the op may be referring to Steris finding the fights arousing. This isn't an unheard of reaction in real life though; it isn't even that unusual. Being in a fight causes adrenaline to flow and different people react to it differently. For some it is an almost euphoric experience. Others get very calm and focused, while others react in the exact opposite manner. So I'd say that it's interesting, but not unusual. If your referring to how she keeps calm in a crisis, again, that isn't unusual. Her asperger's may actually help her here, odd as that may sound. And she is shaken later; Marasi points that out.

The Southerners see ALL metalborn as deities. I have a theory that this predates Kell's visit (think about it; occasionally someone goes through tremendous difficulty and returns with strange powers. Of COURSE they would think of these people as gods.) So Kelsier is just a very powerful God to the Southerners, but in and of itself that isn't especially special. Allik's quote indicates that to me. What makes the Sovereign special beyond other gods is that A) he saved them and he united the different tribes under himself. He's their over king; the one person all the tribes follow. Allik and his people are clearly Germanic in inspiration; this wasn't unheard of among them. The Search for the Holy Grail is one of the Arthurian myths. A mythical weapon left behind and a king leaving this realm with the promise to return someday is another. And the Arthur of legend DID unify several disparate peoples, only for them to divide again on his (seeming?) death. It also adds to the dichotomy of the two groups if my theory is correct. To the North Kelsier is THE major deity. He is known for tearing down a ruling class, and bringing down kings. To the South he is just a more powerful god, but he is their king and overlord. He united them and reformed their society as their ruler. I am VERY much looking forward to the theological upheavals on BOTH sides!!

I suspect one of those will be little more than footnotes. (Wayne.) Wax will probably get a paragraph or two, for his part in Aradel becoming governor. Wax and Steris will probably be mentioned for helping in the initial meetings between North and South. As they seem to have stepped back now, it will likely be little else. Wax might be shoved onto a list of lawmen. They'll both be listed in the peerage. Marasi is the wild card. If she ends up as a reformer she may end up the best known of the bunch. These four aren't radically changing society; they are keeping the status quo which means that, while important, they are not going to be of much interest to anyone but historians focused on the time.

Tolkien wasn't just writing a fantasy; he was writing a mythology. The Silmarillion was written FIRST but the editor didn't want to publish it. And there is no 'magic' in Tolkien's world as we think of it. And Gandalf isn't actually a wizard. Gandalf is a Maia, not human but an angel. Different Maia have different abilities. As a Maia of Nienna and Este, Gandalf tends to focus more on the internal. His powers are likely more subtle, as befits his status as the servant of Vala of mourning (Nienna) and healing (Este.) He is limited when dealing with mortals. The Balrog is ALSO a Maia, aka. a fallen fire angel. Against another of his kind Gandalf is not nearly as limited. He accepted this when he and the other Istari came to Endor. They had a good reason too; the last time the Ainu came to Middle Earth they destroyed a continent. He's also not the most powerful Maia (Sauron, for example, is FAR more powerful.) Not to mention that he cannot truly determine things; only men have that sort of freedom. Not sure why you felt Gandalf would 'fix' everything; he wasn't anywhere NEAR Sam and Frodo. Everything else was a distraction for them. The eagles appear twice: Gandalf mentions their aiding him in a conversation, and again after the Ring has been destroyed. As for Sanderson's rules; Next to NO magic in Tolkien's world. What Gandalf does isn't 'magic' exactly. It just looks like it. And even then it is almost never used. If magic is not used why explain? Teleportation, btw, doesn't exist. 'Magic' is very limited, which is why it isn't used, which is why it isn't explained. The Silmarillion, where it crops up more often does explain a lot more. But the Silmarillion, as published, is a synopsis so it doesn't explain as much as it should. The lack of explanation is intentional here, because it wasn't needed then and there. The Silmarillion isn't Tolkien's Secret History; it's his Hero of Ages. He wrote that story first, not knowing it wouldn't be published in his lifetime. There is also the fact that Brandon writes novels. Tolkien wrote myths that can be read as novels. And Brandon doesn't explain everything at once either. It took three books to learn SOME of how and why allomancy works. There is exactly ONE confirmed instance of Deux ex Machina in LotR. (Gollum slipping into the lava.) I notice you avoided my first point; I heard a LOT about Gandalf, who is just a Maia. No comments on Eru, the actual God of the setting? I'd love to continue this, but it is WAY off topic, so PM me if you want to keep discussing this. (I'd change this to a PM, but my stupid device won't let me copy my post so I'm stuck.)

You have heard of the Lord of the Rings, right? Monotheistic fantasy with a supreme, overriding, omniscient, big G God. Yes, Eru Illuvatar certainly makes the books boring... Having a monotheistic universe doesn't have to be boring. It just has to be done well, which for some reason many authors find harder to do than writing a polytheistic one.

I actually think they tapped a Lerasium/Atium alloy, but we really can't say. Could you show me where the Southerners say that the Sovereign needed the Bands? My understanding was that they knew he'd made them, and that he said he left them there for himself, which they interpreted as a challenge. In fact it seemed to me the opposite: '“You must be very skilled,” Allik said. “More skilled than any who has lived among us. Or…” He chuckled. “Or you’d have to have all the powers, rather than adding yours to the medallion, then passing it to another to have it added to! If that were the case, you’d be a great god indeed. As powerful as the Sovereign.” '“He did create one of these,” Waxillium said, rubbing the medallion with his thumb. “One with all of the abilities. A bracer, or a set of them, that granted all sixteen Allomantic abilities and all sixteen Feruchemical abilities.”' Alik followed this up by explaining that the Sovereign left the Bands behind and told his priests to protect them until he returned. I didn't see any indication that the Sovereign needed the Bands, but I could easily have overlooked something. (Like not noticing that the Sovereign's statue's spike is in the right eye. That was my hubby's discovery.) On a totally different topic; Does anyone else get a Once and Future King feel from the story of the Sovereign? (Legendary ruler said to return someday being the obvious one, but there is something about how the Southerners talk about the Sovereign that makes me think he's King Arthur to them, as opposed to how the northerners do.)

My guess was always that Kelsier learned how the original Feruchemists got their powers and just did whatever they had done when he returned. So he'd basically be the Feruchemical equivalent of a Lerasium Mistborn.

Influence is not the same thing as presence. He could be on Scadrial, he could be elsewhere. He could even have been on Scadrial during AoL and has since left. We really don't have any way to tell. I personally don't think Kell ages. He probably used hemalurgy to come back (Brandon hinted at this YEARS ago, and I doubt that was coincidence) though the exact mechanism is a question. My theory his soul still 'knows' he was 38 when he died, and tries to keep him at the age he 'should' be. It's sort of the opposite of what happened with Rashek. His soul 'knew' he was 1000+ and kept trying to revert him to that age, forcing him to massively compound. In Kell's case he just doesn't age - Atium tricks would be used for the purposes of disguise. Even if I am totally wrong (very possible) I doubt Kelsier would use Atium tricks if he didn't have to. It's too iffy. He'd probably try to find a more stable (and permanent) method instead. At least, that's my guess.

I'm sorry. But the books have been out for nine years now. That's long past the point where things are usually considered spoilers. And it's a minor plot point that I called in 1998! That's almost twenty years ago! Am I allowed to talk about the Lord of the Rings? (Published in the 50s?) How about La Morte D'Arthur? (Published several centuries ago?) The Illiad and the Oddesey? (Ancient Greece) How far back does a book have to be published to be mentioned without worrying about spoilers? This forum usually says six months for information from a new book not to be considered a spoiler. Considering that Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince came out eleven years ago, we are long past the point where spoiler tags would be expected, let alone required. It would be one thing if the book came out a year, or even two years ago. Eleven years?! I'm really sorry that you feel you were spoiled, but eleven years is a bit much to expect someone to use spoiler tags, especially for a well known work.

Alik is talking about how the Sovereign hid the Bands and left orders for it not to be looked for, but that this was interpreted as a challenge to find them because the Sovereign liked doing things like that. And I pretty much went "Kelsier is back!" while jumping up and down screaming. It was just so clearly something he would do, at least to me. I could just see him doing that... so I wasn't all that surprised that he did. Here's the quote: '“Thank you, Wonderful One,” Allik said. He heaved a sigh. “Well, ever since the Sovereign’s elite told us the stories, we’ve tried to find the bracers.” “Find them?” Waxillium said. “You told us he’d left the Bands there for himself.” “Well, yah, but everyone interprets it as a challenge. A test sent by the Sovereign? He was fond of those. Why would he let priests tell us about them, if he didn’t want us to come claim them?' Of course, I had been tipped off by Marasi's graveyard monologue... 'The Survivor himself, of course, broke the rules. He always had. Doctrine explained he was not dead, but surviving—and planning to return in their time of greatest need. But if the end of the world hadn’t been enough to get him to return in his glory, then what could possibly do so?' This felt a bit blatant. I was actually disappointed that I didn't get to meet Kell after that. After that, there was the Sovereign's Spearhead, the temple con, and a lot of things that just made sense if Kell was the Sovereign. The memory was great, but it felt more like a ' Just in case someone didn't get it' than anything else. Then I came onto the forum and discovered that I'm the odd one... Sigh... (Then again, I called Harry/Ginny at the age of seven after reading book one, with only two books released. Never did get why people hadn't realized this was always the plan... Guess I'm just weird that way. Shrugs.)

Pure bismuth is actually a dull metallic grey with a reddish tinge or streaks. The incredible colors are actually from other elements, not the metal itself. At least that was my understanding. I just thought it was cool. There are only two Shards on Scadrial, Ruin and Preservation. Harmony counts as two. (Someone asked this one.) Better question: Is there another Shard in the system, as opposed to the planet? Because a Shard doesn't actually have to be present to invest. The word Trellium does not actually occur in the books. WE call the metal that; the in world characters don't. A small distinction, but an important one.

Hemalurgy is intentionally more open, and it has been theorized that you'd need, say, a gemstone to spike someone on Roshar. I have yet to see anyone tapping or burning Trellium ( hence this thread.) We don't know that it will work with allomancy and feruchemy; we're guessing. If you can spike someone with a gem stone, would we assume an allomancer could burn it? Until we get a WoB on Trellium being a godmetal we have to at least acknowledge the possibility, however unlikely, that it isn't. And it wouldn't be the first time we've been completely mistaken on how something works. Anyone else think it's cool that Bismuth can look like Trellium? (This has nothing to do with anything; I just think it's awesome.)

Has it actually been confirmed that trellium is a godmetal? Is it possible that it's simply another metal from a different world that just doesn't exist on Scadrial? The ones blocking Saze could be preventing him from finding out what it is. All we really know is that Harmony doesn't know what it is, and Wax and the kandra think it's a godmetal. Is there a WoB that it is? Did you know that Bismuth looks a bit like Trellium in some forms?

I think that was asked and answered; the similarities are a coincidence. I know I saw that WoB somewhere.. how do I find these things I know I've read...

Umm... Can I PM you on that? It was a minor thing, just not a coincidence...

The inquisitor at the end of The Final Empire had Iron spikes in his eyes, not steel. Do we know of any other iron bind points? And we don't know what metal is being used by the Sovereign, or even what it does. We know that the boon is 'nothing important' but that isn't Hemalurgy's greatest power; it's the ability to alter the spirit web. And eyes are the windows to the Soul...

Just to add, I believe there were steel lines leading to the Lerasium beads, which would indicate that they could be pulled on.

Too add to this, let's say an ordinary soul's investiture is X. A soul with Breath is X +Y, a soul at the second heightening is X+Y to the second, a Drab is X - Y. A regular Nalthian with Breath has more innate investiture than someone from another world, but a Drab has less. So, perhaps the cut off for Life Sense is X, or the standard amount of investiture inherent in non-Nalthians?