Kingsdaughter613

That was what I had assumed; that the two stories had nothing to do with one another. My comment was with regards to this one.

I’m here if you’d like. “No, we are speaking Skaa. That is the language of the North. Whomever brought you here was well prepared. ”If Eighth is willing, you may come with me to my home to rest.”

“The one who sent you here, did he give you one of these?” Raisa held up her medallion. “Else I cannot guess how you have come to speak the Northern tongue.”

“My thanks.” Raisa pushed and pulled gently to undo the lock on her satchel, hiding the book inside. “My services, within reason, are yours as agreed.”

“Do not forget my payment Eighth.”

Raisa waved her hand disdainfully. “Foolishness. If you wish for pastries I am more than capable of providing. Excision should only be performed by one with the appropriate skills. And it should only be done upon request of the Excised.”

“Is that not true of us all? Carola is correct; it is by working together that we not only survive, but thrive. ”The two are indeed the same man. When one has lived so long many names and faces might be ascribed to them. “But he is no god to the Shafan, as he is to the North.”

“He speaks for them at times though he is not. You say you have met him; do you know where he might be sought? He returned Eide’s body to us, but did not speak of how she fell.” Raisa’s head inclined toward Carola. “Not so old. But the Sovereign has lived centuries, as has his brother. And others, too, it is said.”

“A daughter, not merely apprentice.” Raisa turned her masked gaze to Carola. “The Sovreign’s brother lives, as does the Sovreign himself. It is said they care deeply for each other, but are not friends.”

It has to be at least Era 2. Raisa is from that time, and her search makes no sense if the events of Era 1 haven’t happened.

“You requested my protection. It is difficult to protect one who does not offer necessary information to complete the task, ja? “If you were slayn then I should have no information and you should have no further need of protection.”

It should be noted that there are few recent studies because many psychologists do not believe DID, or its related disorders exist. I should have clarified. Her Personas as seemingly independent entities is a recent phenomenon, with this transition possibly being aided by access to surges, has not occurred for a long enough period to be determined as pathological. Does that make more sense? Jungian therapy would probably focus on reintegration of the personae into Psyche.

How’d Carola get her Spren off world? BTW, my character’s name is Raisa and she’s trying to track the Sovereign. I tried the color command, but it just vanishes and the color doesn’t change. ”I thought you might be given some trouble. I do not trust that one.” She inclined her head toward Louik. “I will wait until you are done, and keep watch.”

I don’t mind joining. I can’t seem to change the colors though... I’m bolding instead. And it’s at least era 2 as my character is a South Scadrian. Her name is Raisa and she has a four metal medallion. It’s currently hidden. ‘Did you think him foolish enough to invite but one party? If he can pay I will be an ally.’ Raisa spoke calmly as she entered the room. Her bangles jingled as she walked toward Eighth. ‘You have the information I requested?’

Ati is a god too. But this era 3.

Interesting. I was wondering about alluminum for Scadrial, as it can’t be manipulated. Iron connects with Ironeyes, and death is the ultimate justice.

So Jung is technically psychoanalytic, not psychodynamic. The basic idea is that people are made of disparate parts which come together to form a whole. Jungian psychology focuses on the creation of the whole, a process known as individuation. Unlike Freud, Jung did not view the unconscious merely as a repository for suppressed feelings or memories. It was everything not part of the conscious mind; how we think, as opposed to what we are thinking. Jung was not about making the unconscious conscious; it was about disparate parts of the self work together to form a complete individual. I’m not explaining this that well. The best description I can give is the Jung hovers between psychodynamic and humanistic theories. Due to the unconscious nature of art, his theories play a pretty big role in a lot of our work.

Which allomantic symbol would you connect most with Justice, and why?

I’m not holding it against anyone. It would be an issue if I did, since I work in psychology. My issue with ‘broken = major psychological issue’ is the same as ‘trauma = PTSD.’ It devalues those who experience the same or worse but come out releatively whole, by saying ‘well, since you are not a mess it couldn’t have been that bad/bothered you that much.’ And saying people like that are unrealistic denies their existence, which is even worse! That does not, on any level, mean that someone who does end up with a major issue due to their circumstances is weaker. I, personally, think mental illness has underlying biological factors. You can’t exactly help those, and having them doesn’t make anyone weak. But just because someone else does not have those factors does not mean their experience was less personally traumatic.

The biggest reason I’m against the DID diagnosis is because there hasn’t been much time since she created the Personas, and during most of that time she had access to Stormlight. Not knowing which components are magical is tricky. Actually, pathological Personas can be quite complicated. Ever heard of an actor getting lost in a role? The part becomes so real they can lose track of themselves. There have been actors who admited to not knowing who they really were. This feels more like that to me than DID, especially due to the progression. While I do believe DID exists, it’s also very rare. It’s over used in media so much that I really want this to not end up as DID. Brandon’s already done that, after all. I’d prefer something different. And he did refer to them as Personas not alters. Maybe someone could get clarification on this? Mistborn spoilers: The figure below has strong borders. It’s a cartoon, so it has to. When Shallan draws she starts with thick, bold strokes for an outline. That’s a border.

Nice! Good catch!

Sorry, it was supposed to say Lightweaver. Meaning the order. I did say I was up all night.

Thank you both so much!! Knowing people who went through much worse, and seeing how they came through relatively unbroken (as in: they were not emotional wrecks) people insisting that ‘broken’ meant ‘major psychological issues’ felt very much like they were devaluating those experiences. So thank you so much for this!

To be fair, it was pointed out in another chat that there are only eight orders that left Blades. Of those, I think there were three that it was determined Adolin could fit. So the odds of him getting a blade of an order he was suited for was fairly high.

Alright, so I’m dealing with Shallan first. I am using persona in the Jungian sense. Brandon says persona, and the three realms clearly draw from Jungian psychology, so I don’t think that is an accident. Personas are not the same as alters. The biggest difference being awareness and control. The fracturing of the identity occurs in childhood. Manifestation can take years. The creation of alters is also generally unconscious. Shallan consciously creates personas as an adult to deal with pain. This is rather different than DID. Furthermore, DID is often caused by DA. Recalling the suppressed memories is an important part of recovery. To put it another way: suppressing memory caused DID; recalling is part of healing. Shallan is doing the opposite, implying this is not DID. Shallan has not had her Personas long. Nor has she been kept apart from Stormlight for long. Both would need to be observed to make a diagnosis. I think you misunderstood what I meant about the art. Shallan draws strong borders. She does the same in the Veil persona. Strong borders are symbolic of cohesion. (Also keeping things out, and keeping things in; protection too.) It’s keeping the psyche safe. This implies that Shallan is preserving her psyche even when she is Veil, which is a good sign regarding healing. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona_(psychology) Just read the description and you’ll see why I think Veil and Radiant are Personas, not alters. Their are too many similarities between Jung’s persona and lightweaving! I think Shallan is dealing with a shattered persona, which she is trying to recreate. The end result will, hopefully, be individuation and becoming whole. I had a wonderful teacher for Personality. He was an third or fourth generation psychologist. One of the best teachers I ever had. Navani: writing is a type of art. Poetry is a particular form of art. Navani expresses her self most freely in calligraphy and poetry. This how she creates art. Dance therapy is also part of CAT. What Adolin does when practicing is basically DT. For him, dueling is an art. When he practices he sublimates his emotions. Kaladin is very similar, finding flow as he moves through the spear forms. Art therapy isn’t scary. Whatever you create is fine. There is no judgement. When my daughter was sick I painted a whole canvas full of colored swirls, with an art therapist. Not technical in the least, but very soothing. Art therapy believes that the act of creation is healing. Through art unconscious impulses can rise to the surface, allowing for sublimation. It can be done in groups, or one on one. ‘No erasing’ was because many people nervous about their art often erase extensively, then get all upset about ‘messing up.’ (You cannot mess up in art therapy.) Removing the eraser, and giving a simple clear directive, can help ease the client into the art. Once I knew more about aemetha’s particular difficulty, I went a different route entirely. I’d need to know more about why you don’t feel comfortable drawing. A possible idea: balloons filled with paint and a handful of darts. (Suggested by a teacher for something else entirely. But it’s a great idea with many application.) Based on your description of how you think, I might give you different rulers and let you play around with them in different patterns and positions. Laughs! You’re an ENTP? I’m an ENFP! So we’re pretty close actually. The Myers-Briggs test was based on some of Jung’s theories. I found it very accurate for me, including the ‘least extroverted of the extroverts.’ Literally, I was an E by one question. This is how I view my mind. I think we each have our own personal way of seeing our psyche. What’s important is that the disparate elements form a whole; they should not be fragmented. Fragmentation is a wound in the psyche - a crack in the soul, if you will. I like your idea on the 5 Humanistic Principals correlating to the five ideals. It’s similar to mine: the three parts of the Jungian psyche matching the three realms. The ego: Physical. Personal unconscious: Cognitive. Collective unconscious: Spiritual. Here’s a pretty decent overview on Jung. (Much better than Wikipedia.) http://journalpsyche.org/jungian-model-psyche/