Kingsdaughter613

The Jewish Bible implicitly compares male (not female) homosexuality to bestiality, and forbids both in the same sentence. It also forbids sleeping with your wife while she has her menses and forbids marrying your ex-wife’s sister while the ex is alive. All of these are considered cardinal sins, which is why we read this on the Day of Atonement. (Ie. Tomorrow) Other cardinal sins include idolatry and murder. Please note that idolatry includes most forms of Christianity- at least for Jews, but possibly not non-Jews. On a more immediate level we don’t care who or what you’re doing, so long as you don’t call yourself an Orthodox Jew if you ARE doing it. Just like you can’t worship the Trinity or be a murderer (unless you’re killing Nazis, in which case you get the ‘wipe out Amalek’ exception) and also be an Orthodox Jew. You can totally be in a gay relationship and be Jewish though and, assuming you are respectful to the community, we will happily claim you. We just don’t like people telling us our religion is wrong, or that we’re bad people for believing in it and following its precepts. We have some... history with that. Like 2000 years of forced conversions, massacres, and exiles type history... We tend to think anyone saying something similar is of the same vein. I have no idea what Christianity and Islam did with the line when they co-opted our religion. @Bliev I don’t know if it’s been officially canonized, but a certain scene in a certain soon to be released book coupled with a previous WoB would indicate she is. And I can’t say more without hitting spoiler policies. Speaking of erasure, Mixed Orientation Relationships are never really discussed, let alone written about, no matter how much I’d love to see one.

Just to note: Shallan is bi. Statistically, most bi people end up in heterosexual relationships eventually, so her ending up with Adolin makes sense. But it doesn’t make her any less LGBTQ.

Something else to consider: humans breed exponentially. We don’t see large Parsh families, not even among the slave population, where you would expect it. On the other hand, three to seven surviving children were about average for pre-industrial women. With Rosharan people being more likely to survive childbirth, and traditional childhood illnesses being non-existent, we’re talking seven to thirteen surviving offspring per family - at least until they realized that they didn’t need so many pregnancies to ensure survival. Within a handful of generations Shinovar was no longer capable of sustaining the human population. So they left due to lack of resources... and covered the rest of Roshar. Invasive species is a great metaphor.

Thanks! I didn’t know that. Always good to learn something new.

TLR gave some other people Lerasium beads early on in his reign, beyond those recorded? Perhaps some of the kings already had heirs and he gave the heirs Lerasium too?

A steward with too many rings? Either he’s a Scadrian Feruchemist or Brandon is trolling us.

Prince Consort, not King.

Altaïr speaks the Words as a child, immediately followed by the Creed. That he will be a Skybreaker is never in question; it is the rare Assassin who does not bond - if they bond - a Highspren, and those are not raised to the Order but join later. He pledges himself to the Assassins when he becomes an apprentice in truth. A squire, some would call him, though the Order did not use the term. Altaïr is thirteen, a man, as he takes a Leap of Faith and soars for the first time. It is some years before he speaks the Creed and his dedication is accepted. Her name is Verity, and she flickers about like a living piece of the night. Together they save Al Mualim from the traitor Haras. Altaïr is 24 and a Master Assassin. He finds his Crusade a year later, when the ship carrying Adha, his captive lover, sails away before he can reach it. He will find her, he swears, and punish those who hurt her. Verity agrees, but he knows she worries. She worries more when Altaïr finds Adha at last, and cradles her broken body in his arms. She watches him grow colder, harsher, and ever more scornful of his Creed, of his Oaths, as he hunts down her captors. Their bond is weaker than it has ever been. Altaïr is 25 when he completes his crusade. He no longer cares. He is 26 when he breaks his Oaths and violates the Creed, seeking the Apple, a unique fabriel of great power. His folly kills both Verity and Kadar and Altaïr is forced to flee to Masyaf. He takes a Leap of Faith without his surges and saves the city. Then it is time for justice. Al Mualim stabs him, cutting deep, and Altaïr knows his end has come. He does not see the fabriel in his Mentor’s other hand. Altaïr awakens from death to find he has another chance. He can redeem himself, redeem his Oaths. He will be an Assassin again, but for now... for now he is an apprentice once more and there are nine men who need to die. Verity is just a blade now, and sometimes Altaïr can hear her cry. It weighs on him as he fights, completing his contracts, killing his targets. And as he works his way down the list, he finds his Oaths again, finds himself again. The Creed finds a new meaning in his heart and the search for the Nine his new crusade. His surges begin to return and Verity speaks to him again. It is near the end when he meets the Windrunner, wearing the guise of Robert de Sable. He defeats her, though not without difficulty. Her name, he will learn much later, is Maria. She is not one of the Nine, not his target, not part of the crusade. He lets her go, and wonders as he tracks de Sable. The Templar dies with a revelation: al Mualim has betrayed them both, desiring the Apple for himself. Altaïr rides for Masyaf to learn the truth. He finds the populace enslaved, minds warped by the Apple’s powers. Al Mualim binds him too, holding him with the Apple’s power. “The Words!” Verity whispers, and Altaïr understands. Nothing is true; Everything is permitted. The bonds break, unable to hold him, and Verity flashes through the air like a slice of the night. Together they defeat his Mentor and reclaim the Apple. Together they see. A universe, a Cosmere, of so many worlds, each with their own peoples. The Apple is not from Roshar, and Roshar is not alone. Altaïr is 27, a Skybreaker of the Fifth Ideal, and Mentor of the Assassin Brotherhood. And Desmond Miles watches.

1: I don’t recall very much how I discovered the Shard. I think I was looking something up and fell into it? My guess is my first post was in the Mistborn forum. 2: It was very helpful for me when my older daughter was really sick, as being on here allowed me an escape from everything else going on. My tarot card thread is probably still around somewhere. (Note to self: finish the major Arcana!) 3: It’s a lot of fun theorizing and seeing how much we can figure out before the books release!

Yes, because he needs an heir and isn’t looking for romance. Similarly, Adolin wants to get married because he’s expected to. He’s very happy to have a non-romantic arranged marriage. And then they both fall in love, because that’s how these things tend to work.

Well, the Corinthian in ‘The Corinthian’ is trying to get married, as I recall. Adolin’s numerous flirtations did fit the archetype though.

Personally, I find it interesting how many people here are unfamiliar with Adolin’s character archetype. He’s a Corinthian, a character rarely seen these days outside period stories and Georgian/Regency Romances. He’d fit in quite nicely in those genres. It’s nice to see that type of character elsewhere.

We’ll probably get part of two if we ever get SH2.

John is short for Johnathan. In Hebrew it’s Yonasan, root Nasan, give. Yud makes it future tense, if I’m recalling correctly. A similar name is Nathanial - Nasanel in Hebrew (God gives) Nasan is obviously related to both, as both the name and the root word. Sarah is the feminine of Sar, prince. Sarah is princess. So Nasan is a verb (give) while Sarah is a noun (princess) Zach is short for Zechariah, Hebrew Zecharyah, the Hebrew root being Zachar, remember. The Yud Hey at the end is for God. It is also a verb. Hebrew words have two to four letter roots (most have three). Adding letters and vowels changes the tense and gender. Blending of two words to create a statement is common. For example: Achos sheli (my sister) becomes Achosi (my sister). Sarah is the odd name out here, due to only having a two letter root. It’s also a noun. You can probably see a resemblance between the two males names and these: Yochanan, Yechezkel, Gavriel, Michoel, Daniel, Yeshaya, Yeshu, Sholom, Shlomo, Yishmael, Shmuel, etc. For a similar girls name: Yocheved Sarah compared to other girls names: Rivka, Aliza, Dina, Chedva, Chana, Chava, Malka, Shoshana, Devorah, Meira, Mazal, Meirav, Miriam, etc. For a similar boy’s name: Simcha. Miriam and Meira, believe it or not, are the closest to Sarah in many ways. Miriam has two two letter roots: Mar (bitter) and Yam (water),and Meira has the two letter root Or (light). The Mem means from. Meir - from light. Meira - feminine form. In the case of Mar, it’s an adjective. Miriam - Bitter water The relationship is pretty obvious if you know the original names and some basic Hebrew grammar rules. It’s why I recognized Alethi for a Semitic based language very quickly; a lot of the names and places have the ‘feel’ of Hebrew and Aramaic. Probably Arabic, but I’m not familiar enough with how it sounds. Angie is short for Angela, from the word Angel. This is entirely unrelated to the previous three names due to coming from a different language. Latin, I think. The Hebrew word is Malach, messenger, which bears some resemblance to Nasan and Zachar.

But now I’m thinking about Nightblood being stabbed into a mountain bead...

I think that was a typo. It now says WoR. The problem with Keteks...

Allomancer Jak’s completed adventures seconded! Or at least all the parts of the one story we have... Wax, Wayne and Lessie stories: I don’t want these as a Novella. Brandon said awhile back that instead of broadsheets, we’d have a Roughs comics in Mistborn Era3. I’d like their stories released as a regular comic (so an issue every month) but framed as an in-world comic. Because if ANYTHING was built for the comics forum, it’s that. We could also get Jak’s stories in the same format... For Novellas unlikely to be written: How Mare and Kell met, worked together, and fell in love from Mare’s perspective Hesina’s story, because it’s implied she has an interesting past A novella focused on Iyatil and Mraize (it would reveal too much, which is why we won’t get it.) Similar to the above: A novella focused on Demoux, Galladon and Baon and how they came to be on Roshar

I think it’s the Spren that would need to store Connection.

Oh, he’s totally wanting to expand his sphere of influence, though he’s doing it for Scadrial too. Himself first though, because that’s just who he is. I suspect he knows quite well what effect the planet’s populace’s perspective has on him and isn’t happy about it. On the other hand, it’s his home. I don’t see him staying away. I think South Scadrial sees Kell as a very different kind of savior than North. North Scadrial was never led by Kell. He’s a spiritual savior, not a physical one. He’s the person who inspires you, who lifts you when you’re lowest, but metaphorically, not physically. He’s Hope, a force more than a person. He left, sacrificing himself, but he’s always there. And when he left, well, he left a society about to collapse. His death lit the fuse under the bomb, just as he planned. To South Scadrial, he’s their king. He lived among them for sixty years, during which he brought them from the brink of destruction to a thriving society. He’s a person, a powerful, manipulative person. He left, but he promised to return. And when Kell left the South, he left behind a thriving society - one he had built. The roles are incredibly different, almost opposed. In the North he’s the guy who led them out of slavery and brought down the old, corrupt society, leaving them to guide themselves, under his spiritual watch. In the South he’s the person who rebuilt their society, becoming their king and leader, before leaving them to guide themselves until he comes back to reclaim the reins. Yeah, LM can’t come fast enough. I want to see these two viewpoints clashing!!!

Exactly this. I think the Sovereign and the Survivor act differently. Not that they have different personalities, but that different elements of Kell’s personality are at the fore. He’d behave one way on North Scadrial and another on South Scadrial. I don’t think 300 years is enough to make it very obvious though; you’d have to know him well to notice. At a guess I’d say: Survivor: more empathetic, more inspiring, more rebellious, both more intent on survival AND more self-sacrificing, more reckless, less sane Sovereign: Colder, trickier/more manipulative, more of the leader/teacher elements, more willing to compromise, more stable N. Scads seem to focus more on a Kell as a savior type figure, and focus less on his conman status. S. Scadrial seems to embrace Kell’s manipulative nature, and he seems to have ruled pretty well, which implies certain things. Kell is less psychopathic on N. Scadrial (who seems to think he was a far more empathetic person than he was) but he’s more stable and willing to compromise on S. Scadrial, despite being less empathetic there. That’s my guess anyway.

I suspect that Kel will appear differently if he is being the Survivor or the Sovereign. As the Survivor he’s viewed as deity, but I think the Sovereign is more of a King Arthur type figure. So he would appear differently on North and South Scadrial, possibly with minor personality shifts.

Judaism has written down its Oral Tradition to avoid losing it. (The Mishna) It doesn’t mean it isn’t an oral tradition. We still encourage people to memorize what they can, and some know the entirety by heart. When the Talmud (Mishna and Gemara) was burnt it was rewritten from memory because it IS an oral tradition. (Comparisons of the rewrites to surviving copies in the ME show remarkably little deviation. There’s a handful of words different, I think.) Writing down an oral tradition to prevent its loss has historical parallels. It does not invalidate the oral nature of the tradition. The Mishna was written down in the centuries after the conquest of Judea and the subsequent diaspora. It makes a lot of sense for the ancient Parshendi to have done the same after the False Desolation for the same reasons we did: it was going to be lost otherwise. Admittedly, Judaism is a little weird. Most Peoples have a written or oral tradition, whereas we have both. So writing down our oral tradition may have been a more natural response for us than for a purely oral culture. It’s still not completely improbable though.

Mistborn TFE. It was my original intro to the Cosmere, but it’s also the one (along with BoM) that I constantly go back and reread. BoM is second, but I love BoM BECAUSE of the original Mistborn, so TFE comes first. After that I swap to novellas. (ES, SfSitFoH, M:SH, and SotD, in that order) I enjoy the Stormlight books, but I don’t go back to reread them over and over. Ditto for the others.

We did. It’s possible but highly unlikely.

Both dominion and sovereignty are connected to land. Also, one can seek personal dominion, ie. Self-mastery. But it’s more that I think the Shards are meant to parallel certain concepts of the divine in RL. In that sense Dominion would be sovereignty. Ambition would be God as the Actor (not in the theatrical sense.)