Kingsdaughter613

Repudiate. And done again. Hmm... Conspiracy with opposite being Honorable?

Kiss the Nightwatcher, marry the Stormfather, kill Yelig-Nar KMK brothers edition: Kiin, Marsh, Llarimar.

Revolution.

It occurs to me that Kell could just make Spook feruchemical Nicrosilminds allowing him to use Atium compounding.

But maybe using some other allomantic technologies..,

Sebariel?

When you can find me proof that Ghostbloods killed the carriage driver we can discuss culpability. Innocent until proven guilty... You’re also rather intent on ignoring the fact that Kelsier, canonically, is not a good long-term leader per WoB. Also: Corporation liability isn’t actually very complicated. Corporations are generally only directly liable for policy decisions. Anything else gets very, very complicated. There is a reason corporation law is so complex. Let’s put it this way: if you own Coca-Cola stock, are you liable in a lawsuit against Coca-Cola? You are technically an owner, after all. (No, btw.) Culpability varies depending on circumstances and what is/can be reasonably expected. If a reasonable person could not be expected to, say, expect its employees to target children, then they would generally not be liable. Which is why the Board of Ed doesn’t get in massive trouble every time one of its teachers turns out to be a pedophile. It’s why hospitals don’t get (successfully) sued when one of their employees is found to be abusing patients. Now, if it turns out someone knew and covered it up, then they’re liable. If a boss orders his employee to commit an illegal act, then they’re liable for any actions resulting from those orders. And if it turns out that they SHOULD have known, but didn’t, they may be guilty of criminal neglect. And there are a bunch of levels in between. Like I said: complicated. It’s not nearly as cut and dry as you’d like it to be.

The Basin?

To me this reads not as his being forbidden, but that it isn’t necessarily condoned either. Essentially: my boss never told me not to do this, but I know he’ll be annoyed if I do, so I’ll find an excuse before I act.

I am listening too.

I think it was a good rule. It keeps things interesting. Raoden.

“Basically, give a clue, someone guesses, if they're right, tell them and they get to come up with one. If it's wrong, give another clue.” We get a new clue every time we guess wrong.

I doubt he’s insane, despite the two divergent mythologies. More likely it causes some subtle personality shifts, which he’s aware of. The Ghostbloods are far too in character to blame his actions on insanity.

That’s doubtful. I think Hoid was just trying to get back at Kell for Roshar.

We need another hint then. Does a Noble include Brightlord/lady? Straff.

Noble includes Brightlords/ladies? Or do you mean in the descriptive? Elend. He’s a noble noble. (Since I’m not sure which you meant.)

I think we are arguing to what extent he is accountable. Neglect is not the same level of culpability as giving a direct order. And we also disagree on Kelsier’s abilities as a leader. Canonically he is VERY BAD at the administration part of leadership, and it’s at the ADMINISTRATIVE level that the GBs have issues. Since Kelsier doesn’t administrate, his people are operating based on stated objectives with no rules, restrictions or oversight which is a TERRIBLE way to run anything. Kelsier is not a good leader. He only manages as well as he does because he inspires deep loyalty in everyone and he is a good planner and has good ideas. He trusts people to carry out his instructions, but he doesn’t really check up on them. Look at the way he ran the MB Crew. ‘Okay, we need XY&Z. You do X, you do Y, I’ll do Z.’ No actual instructions beyond the original orders. No explaining how objectives are to be carried out. Kell just doesn’t think that way. There is a REASON Vin said the entire thing would crumble without Dox. Dox did logistics. Dox made sure everyone had what they needed, where they needed, when they needed it. Dox did all the administration work Kell couldn’t be bothered with. Dox kept the Crew in line much more than Kelsier. Long story short, Kelsier can lead, but in the long run he’s a terrible leader. Albeit a remarkably effective one due to his charisma and intelligence, but still a terrible leader.

Correct! I’m guessing you also read the annotations. Care to go?

This character comes from Mistborn.

It is highly unlikely that he is insane at this point as he A: is considerably younger and without the exacerbating factors of the heralds and B: has access to Breath. I think the situation is simply that Kelsier canonically is a terrible administrator. He’s a very good figure head, but he’s actually a terrible person to RUN anything. He gets bored. He doesn’t consider little things like oversight and overhead. Is he responsible? Yes, but not in the same way that he would be if he had given the orders. Kelsier is likely guilty of negligence, as opposed to malicious intent.

I’d like to join, if that’s okay?

What about a necklace of tin beads?

Nice!

Nope! This character is dead, but was supposed to die before he did. This character underwent a case of mistaken identity due to an error. This character is a known dissenter. This character is a minor character. This character initially survived because his death would have reflected too badly on another character.

Against. Definitely against.