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While there may be hidden depths to the Purelake that will not change the naval situation. That broken layer at the top is too shallow to support traditional sailing vessels. As @GeneralStu pointed out, there are other options but, as far as I am aware, there are no large watercraft that could ferry large numbers of troops around the Purelake.

The Purelake is wayyyyy too shallow for a navy to operate in imo. Perhaps there are navigable channels or something but remember, Dalinar and Co. are literally walking around in the Purelake. It is very shallow.

This is some of the most difficult words I have ever read. The first Mistborn trilogy, despite its faults, is one of my all-time favorite series because of how incredibly well-done the ending is. (Just a clarify, this is not criticism in any way @Edonidd. I obviously respect the idea that other people have different likes/dislikes haha)

Well said. Szeth is a complicated character who defies basic labels like "Good" or "Evil" imo.

Bridge 4 is definitely being kept off-screen for a reason. Sanderson has something planned for the big reveal of the squires imo.

Honestly? I don't remember. I've only read Shadows of Self twice as I don't really enjoy it. Best guess is Harmony was able to talk to Bleeder but was unable to pinpoint her location thanks to Trellium. I could be wrong on this though.

I didn't say Ruin could. I said he was able to converse with Vin. I am aware of his limitations. My question is why Harmony doesn't just use his Preservation ability of listening to spiked people's thoughts and out the Set that way. Also, Harmony could speak directly to any spiked Set member - if Harmony chattered at you 24/7 for weeks on end you might agree to just give up haha.

One thing I don't get is that Ruin was able to converse with Vin when she only had one spike and, I believe, Preservation was able to listen to people's thoughts when they had one spike. Sure, Harmony cannot control humans with less 4 spikes but why didn't he just eavesdrop on them?

Hi @Spoolofwhool, I would be pretty interested in seeing that train of thought laid out. I have some reservations about a physical form being instantly created by ambient investiture but perhaps some of those concerns are addressed by full process. So, yeah! If you have time, I would love to see it and I'd imagine some other Sharders would be too!

Gotcha. Thanks for taking the time to explain that to me! So, following this theory along, if a cognitive shadow of a person is spiked with a PR connection right after their actual death and before the Beyond takes them and they then leap through an existing perpendicularity... what happens? They probably lack the extra investiture to form a body. Are they repelled by the perpendicularity? Do they enter the PR only to die immediately as their new body cannot form properly? There could be some very interesting situations if this theory pans out.

The short answer, as far as I know, is no. We do not know, yet, exactly how these surges work. There are some WoBs floating around with vague descriptions of changing bonds, tensile strength, surface tension, etc. but until we see these surges in action we probably won't know the extent of their effects.

From what I understand of Rosharan geography, the continent of Roshar is a Pangaea-esque super continent. Roshar, the continent, in located in the southern hemisphere but I do believe the northern edge of the continent crosses over into the northern hemisphere. Sorry if that wrecks your theory. Also, off-hand, I cannot find a map of Roshar, the planet, (holy cow they need to use different names for things haha) that shows the placement of Roshar, the continent.

I feel really dense as I am not sure what point you are making here. How does this tie into the theory that any ole investiture can form a body? My grasp of the finer points of Realmatics is, I am sad to say, not the best. I thought people immune to the pull of the Beyond were those who had at one point held a ton of investiture and that caused their soul to, for lack of a better word, stretch. I vaguely remember a WoB about a deflated wine skin (though it may be something a forum member said). At the moment, Kelsier does not have more investiture than the next guy, right? So, if he dropped into the PR he would only have the investiture level of a cognitive shadow, not that of a human that has both (again, for lack of better terms) a body and a soul. I mean, where does Kel's extra investiture come from? The Well? He did not, as far as I know, take any of the Well's power (Preservation) or any of Ruin's power while he was there. Nor did he retain any of Preservation's power when he gave that to Vin. On that topic, we've seen the Lord Ruler, Vin, and Elend in the CR. The first two, who both, at one time, had held parts, or all, of Preservation's power but, at the time they were in the CR, held none of it, were immune to the pull. They were immune despite not holding any additional investiture is the key point. Elend, who was "merely" a Mistborn, was not immune though he had more time than a non-Mistborn. If I have misrepresented any of the current understanding of Realmatics then please feel free to correct me. I would hate to be working under false assumptions.

Maybe I am misunderstanding your theory @Calderis. May I ask a few questions to try and make sure that I am picking up what you are putting down? Q1: Are you saying that all Kelsier needs is Connection to the physical world and he could walk through a rift/perpendicularity/whatever and his body would just... form? Q2: If I am understanding your interpretation of these WoBs correctly, you are saying that when a worldhopper enters the CR their body converts to Investiture and then when they leave the CR it (the body) is converted from Investiture into Matter, right? If I am correct about Q2 then I do not see how Q1 could be true without caveats - Kel's body, and the accompanying Investiture, are not present in the CR. He never "popped in" so there is no Investiture waiting to reform into his body. If worldhopping really does work the way you are suggesting (Matter (body) -> Investiture -> Matter (body)) then I would say the Investiture that represents the body is uniquely Connected and Identified as the body of the worldhopper. I doubt Kelsier could exit a perpendicularity and just form a body from background investiture. What if he exits in an area with low levels of background Investiture? Or the Investiture in the area is keyed or locked to another Shard? I think a Cognitive Shadow needs more than just a connection to get back to the PR or else there are some really weird mechanics surrounding popping in and out of a perpdendicularity.

Just to add to what @Pagerunner said, from earlier in the WoB [emphasis is mine] we see here that Brandon says that a "rift" is created, the person "slip through", and the body is "transported". The following claim by @Calderis seems contradictory to what Brandon is saying: The worldhopper is transporting their physical body into the Cognitive realm; they are not dissolving their body into investiture. Or, at least, that is how I read it.

That is some seriously good stuff. +1

I'm going with 100% NopeTM As in, not Jasnah.

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That is, roughly, a page every 10.7 seconds for 10,800 seconds straight. Hats off to you!

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I think I routinely get these things wrong. I am a quick reader and I think part of that comes from not stopping to really envision most descriptions - I just file away the info without really imagining it. So, when I see fan art that matches the actual character I usually pretty surprised. Once I get to my third or fourth reread I like to stop and imagine things. Or, even better, when I save up enough cash to afford the Graphic Audio versions of the books I do a better job of imagining things while the book is being read.

Love it! They could operate it like the FCC but instead of selling frequencies they could sell time blocks of gate usage. Highest bidder gets to "own" the gate for certain time periods (certain hours of the day, certain days of the week, etc.) and charge whatever they want for use during that time. Assuming multiple people/companies own different times it would force prices down as they compete for business. Except there is an upper bound to how much can be transported in a given time period (X number of people/goods per hour can be moved) so once demand exceeds that then prices would rise. One thing is that the Heralds are not allowed to stay behind after a Desolation so they would have to set up the system during the war which might prove tricky. Alas.

This is just my opinion but seeing as we are only 12 chapters into Oathbringer I, personally, am not quite ready to call case closed. I think Adolin's arc with the murder is far from over.

Sorry if you were making a joke but, just in case you are not, Syl did not, as far as I can tell, read the Ardent's thoughts. She simply made a guess based on context clues; similar to when Kaladin was selling knobweed to the apothecary.