WeiryWriter

I think there was a discussion in Tor.com in the rereads that figured out a lot of these as well though I can't remember if they figured something out for Yelig-nar if they were similarly stumped. Baba Yaga isn't Native American, she's Slavic/Russian.

Okay starting the transcription: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1axvG2UCBeUzoBnfNwgPcqhQIy3WTgOllg5UViGz6JFU/edit

There are a couple of ways you can do it. Depending on the length you can upload it to a site like Soundcloud or Vocaroo. Or you could just upload the audiofile to Google Drive (or something similar), people won't be able to stream listen to it but at least it would be shareable. I think the best bet is to go with Soundcloud, if you can it's the easiest site to use when I'm transcribing (it's player is very wide so it is easier to be precise when going back to listen to the same thing over and over). And if you want to transcribe it, that's great, but if you'd rather not, I don't mind transcribing stuff.

I started with The Gathering Storm, then Mistborn 1-3, WoK, Elantris, Warbreaker, and by then I was pretty much caught up

mmm true, but nothing you said is actually spoilery, in my opinion. But its better to be overly cautious than the reverse I would say.

No we knew Cultivation's feelings about the Stormfather. This is completely different And thank you! Go ahead and keep the card, I don't mind. Is "He thinks the same as Honor thinks" the exact wording or paraphrased? Thanks again this is a huge help for one of my theories!

Okay, we have very different views on Occam's Razor. I see it as "Not everything has a complex/convoluted explanation, the simpler explanation most likely the correct one". Note the "most likely" there, Occam's Razor is not meant to be an absolute, it is a probability thing. If I'm in most places in the world, you know what I am going to think the sound of hooves is because of horses, because that is the simple explanation for that situation. However if I someplace in say Africa, I'm going to think zebra because that is the simplest explanation for *that* situation. To be frank I don't really understand your statement that "if Occam's Razor were universally true, there would be no such thing as a zebra" because the example you are using doesn't imply anything of the sort. All it is saying that if you hear hooves it is *probably* not a zebra. Zebras obviously exist, it doesn't try to dispute that. When *I* rely on the razor I'm essentially saying "This is most likely to be true, so it is probably true" I don't treat as an absolute "This is true" as you seem to imply that I do. Just because you can explain it in fewer words does not make it a simpler in-world concept. My idea is thus: AonDor is still partially broken, the Aon Ien failing is a further malfunction of an already partially broken system My interpretation of your idea is thus (and please correct me if I'm wrong): Due to the fact that the Elantrians are targeted by an incomplete Aon, they are immune to any and all Investitures The first keeps everything internal to a single magic system, the other has far reaching Realmatic implications. In my mind the first is the simpler one, so I feel I should not be supporting yours.

Why are you all putting the Elantris discussion stuff into spoiler tags? I don't think it needs to be, the "spoiler period" for that is long since expired, and there aren't any "spoilers" in it anyway?

That has not been revealed yet, it's worth a question though.

Moved this to its own thread because it is it's own event. Are you open to suggestions for questions to ask? Because the Ultimate List is always a good place to look. Some personal suggestions are: One of the Honorblades was retrieved by one of the Heralds after they were abandoned, did the Herald go back for *their* honorblade? What are the Stormfather's feelings with regards to Cultivation? Shai is a follower of the Unknown God/God Beyond. Is she peculiar in this regard or is it a common belief among the people of MaiPon?

and if you buy it from him you can get it personalized (or get an answer to a question)

This isn't the place to post stuff like this, each event/signing has its own thread in the Events, Signings, and Stalking forum. This event's thread can be found here.

Possibly that is what that means? But I'm just trying to quote a WoB I remember reading, and it doesn't mention anything about atium and Ruin so I can't say anything definitively.

Short bit of housekeeping, I'm moving this to the spoiler forum becasue here there be spoilers, and also shallandavar-.tumblr.com (with the dash, which isn't in your post) changed their url to theairsicklowlander.tumblr.com I voted Jasnah because it solves a big mystery from WoR (how did she survive?) and it taught us a little more about entering the Cognitive Realm (junctions are thing). I liked the Kaladin reading, but we didn't really learn anything new (except that the eye color change is temporary) @Maxal I would say that what you think is "whiny" and "getting old" is an accurate portrayal of someone with depression, those are character traits he is never going to get over, he'll have to deal with them for his entire life. I've talked with quite a few people going through the same sort of thing and they are so thankful for the way Kaladin is portrayed. Personally I think that outweighs, significantly, any "boredom" others might feel.

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It's going to be a while, he only starts selling them after the hardcovers are out of print (i.e. when the paperback comes out, usually a year or so after the release)

Okay so the transcription is done, for the most part. It isn't the best I've ever done, hopefully another version of the recording pops up where I can better parse out some of the bits. Transcription included for ease of use: @Kelek's Breath

Elantrians existing before Elantris is direct WoB. Granted my other "assumptions" are logical extrapolations from that (which I've talked about at length in the Cause of the Shaod thread) and if you don't agree with my logic, okay, nothing I can do about that. And you are right I did interpret your comment as dismissive, but I think we all have said something that has not come across as we intended, I certainly have, and in this thread too. I do not intend to come across as "hard-line", I was trying to use my rudimentary understanding of computer programs as a metaphor to help explain my thoughts on AonDor. Perhaps I was a bit "hard line" in my response to your "disputation" of the metaphor, in which case I apologize. You are correct, I am only positing one possible explanation. I can definitely have trouble with the Assuredness movement. Do I think my idea is the correct one? Yes, I do. If I thought it was wrong I wouldn't have spent as much time writing posts about it. I don't think there is anything wrong with me thinking I am right? Is your idea entirely plausible? Braize yes, I could see it working. However I do not think it is the most likely explanation (which again might be due to my issues with the Assuredness Movement) Fair enough Well I would say there is a distinct linguistic difference between referring to "zombie-Elantrians" as "Reod Elantrians" (as you propose in this post) and referring to their zombie-like state as the Reod (as you did in your original post). "Reod Elantrians" is a legitimate extrapolation, as you point out with the "war orphans". Is it the ideal? No, I personally will be using a distinctly non-canon name until we find out the canon one (if we ever get one) so that I do not give the impression to newer users that "Reod Elantrians" is a canon term. But that is my personal choice. Oh and the people in world probably don't have a term for it, they just refer to them as Elantrians (which is incredibly unhelpful for this discussion, so inconsiderate of them, don't you think?) Also what I actually said is that no one in the book refers to the zombie-like state as the Reod (which is different from referring to them as Reod Elantrians). The terms "Reod" and "Reod Elantrian" are very different. But this is getting into semantics, which I could totally argue over all day, but it probably won't get us anywhere, kolo? (and because I took entirely too long writing this response, but hey there was a transcription to do, you posted another thing Okay, I guess you can ignore me telling you to go read that up above... I think this gets into our difference in opinion over the use of Occam's Razor in theorycrafting (at least I think it was you I had this discussion with?). I personally think the Aon Ien "fails" because "AonDor which is only kind of half-fixed at this point is causing shenanigans" is a simpler explanation than "they are immune to all investiture". (oh and I never touched on this, but why would that make them invisible to spren as you state in your OP?) It does sound strange doesn't it? My best guess is that the Aonic script was developed over a period of years, and that Brandon just hadn't gotten around to finalizing where that period of years takes place in relation to the building of Elantrians when he wrote that annotation. Which is kind of understandable, it's not really an important piece of worldbuilding since it takes place way back in the pre-history. He had more important stuff he had to get resolved.

and so the transcription begins

Ooh very nice. Confirmation on Nazh's birth-world is good and I'm looking forward to that Jasnah reading (guess I know what i'll be doing later on... Transcribing!) I can't wait to see what other questions people asked!

Huh, I had thought it was a necklace, but it does look skin-colored...

I want to say there is a WoB about this floating around somewhere about how it would either be difficult or impossible to because they don't have a connection to that kind of investiture?

Just an FYI but if you pre-order the limited edition from Subterranean Press, you'll get a free copy of the ebook. There are also two interior art pieces: I wonder what they mean? (source for everything)

Those are early modern Elantrians not the proto-Elantrians I'm talking about. Originally there were the proto-Elantrians who built the city. At some point (perhaps when Odium killed Devotion and Dominion) the city was abandoned. Years later the Aonic peoples migrated to the area and started living in the city. Some time later Aonics started being taken by the Shaod. (source) (source)

That can't be the case though. It is WoB that Elantrians existed before Elantris (which is also kind of common sense, since Elantris would have required Elantrians in its construction). If Elantrians existed pre-Elantris than the Shaod has to as well (how else would the proto-Elantrians have come into existence?). Therefore the massive Aon Rao cannot be the cause of the Shaod because it only came into existence *after* the Shaod.